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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    The hot take from the boxing forum:

    If Conor does well and makes it a competitive fight, it was due to a clandestine agreement to rig the fight to make it competitive.

    I'd love Conor to KO him stiff just to see the lunatic conspiracy theories coming out of that forum.

    Straight out. Round 1. Floyd out cold. 13 seconds. Done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    I'd love Conor to KO him stiff just to see the lunatic conspiracy theories coming out of that forum.

    And you'll whinge awfully if he loses or claim that he did himself proud or claim that nothing was ever expected of him anyway so he ends up with a moral victory.

    This isn't a boxing fans vs mma fans debate ffs. There is absolutely no rational reason to believe McGregor can win this fight. I doubt anyone actually believes there is/will be a conspiracy. People are simply expressing their fully justified belief that there is only one possible outcome here.

    As for the fight itself, it's boxing, not MMA and by all accounts, McGregor won't be looking for a boxing specific coach to train him. If he's getting beaten from pillar to post round after round, will Kavanagh/Roddy throw in the towel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The hot take from the boxing forum:

    If Conor does well and makes it a competitive fight, it was due to a clandestine agreement to rig the fight to make it competitive.

    I'd love Conor to KO him stiff just to see the lunatic conspiracy theories coming out of that forum.

    Spreading your untruths to this forum I see. You are overly sensitive to anything that appears to you as being anti Conor..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭ooter


    dashoonage wrote: »
    Straight out. Round 1. Floyd out cold. 13 seconds. Done.

    Not a hope Floyd will come out swinging from the bell like Aldo did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    ooter wrote: »
    Not a hope Floyd will come out swinging from the bell like Aldo did.

    He needs to get Conor out of there before he lands with that left


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    And you'll whinge awfully if he loses or claim that he did himself proud or claim that nothing was ever expected of him anyway so he ends up with a moral victory.

    This isn't a boxing fans vs mma fans debate ffs. There is absolutely no rational reason to believe McGregor can win this fight. I doubt anyone actually believes there is/will be a conspiracy. People are simply expressing their fully justified belief that there is only one possible outcome here.

    As for the fight itself, it's boxing, not MMA and by all accounts, McGregor won't be looking for a boxing specific coach to train him. If he's getting beaten from pillar to post round after round, will Kavanagh/Roddy throw in the towel?

    Wrong.

    I'm expecting a lot from Conor. I've gone on record saying he'll win one of the first 2 rounds. I've gone on record as saying the scorecard after 8 rounds will be 78-74 or 77-75.

    Of course it's a boxing v MMA debate. Like it or not, Conor is a Mixed Martial Artist fighting a boxer. Conor himself has said this is about "real true fighters" (Mixed Martial Artists) fighting "guys who need rules to protect them" (Boxers).

    Conor is representing MMA.

    As for the towel, John has an obligation to throw it if Conor is taking damage, especially seeing as he has twice criticized other corners for not doing the same thing.
    walshb wrote: »
    Spreading your untruths to this forum I see. You are overly sensitive to anything that appears to you as being anti Conor..

    You've now said something along these lines half a dozen times:
    walshb wrote: »
    Like I said, anyone who has such certainty that is is all above board and that there will be no element of trickery or deals or agreements away you go....

    I will wait and see. I will make my call after the event.
    walshb wrote: »
    So we are clear, I never said it will be staged, just that to be so certain that it won't seems naive to me....

    I don't think he is going in there to get humiliated or badly beaten up. He's not that type of character, so that leads me to wonder if there is a kind of staged agreement between the two on how the fights unfolds....
    walshb wrote: »
    If the fight is two fit and healthy men going at it 100 percent committed and with no agreement in place it will not be at all competitive....

    The only way this is competitive is for an agreement to allow it to be .....and like I said, any knowledgeable fan of combat sports will see it and dissect it.

    You are saying the fight may be rigged. You are saying there might be a clandestine agreement to rig the fight.

    You are basically saying if Conor makes it any way competitive, it is ONLY due to a clandestine agreement to rig/stage the fight.

    Your position is if Conor does well it's not down to his hard work, effort, skill, determination, ability or combinations.

    You're saying if Conor does well it's because behind the scenes a secret agreement was made for Floyd to allow Conor to hit him a few times or to give the illusion of competition.

    If you think Floyd is going to destroy him, then man up and stop saying "oh well if Conor does well it's rigged".

    I believe Floyd will stop Conor in the 9th but I'll damn sure praise Conor to the hilt if he somehow wins or puts in an impressive performance in defeat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,303 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Wrong.

    I'm expecting a lot from Conor. I've gone on record saying he'll win one of the first 2 rounds. I've gone on record as saying the scorecard after 8 rounds will be 78-74 or 77-75.

    Of course it's a boxing v MMA debate. Like it or not, Conor is a Mixed Martial Artist fighting a boxer. Conor himself has said this is about "real true fighters" (Mixed Martial Artists) fighting "guys who need rules to protect them" (Boxers).

    Conor is representing MMA.

    As for the towel, John has an obligation to throw it if Conor is taking damage, especially seeing as he has twice criticized other corners for not doing the same thing.



    You've now said something along these lines half a dozen times:







    You are saying the fight may be rigged. You are saying there might be a clandestine agreement to rig the fight.

    You are basically saying if Conor makes it any way competitive, it is ONLY due to a clandestine agreement to rig/stage the fight.

    Your position is if Conor does well it's not down to his hard work, effort, skill, determination, ability or combinations.

    You're saying if Conor does well it's because behind the scenes a secret agreement was made for Floyd to allow Conor to hit him a few times or to give the illusion of competition.

    If you think Floyd is going to destroy him, then man up and stop saying "oh well if Conor does well it's rigged".

    I believe Floyd will stop Conor in the 9th but I'll damn sure praise Conor to the hilt if he somehow wins or puts in an impressive performance in defeat.

    This is borderline blind love


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭pastorbarrett


    Boxing fans sure are a sanctimonious lot, despite having some of the scummiest elements in all pro sports attached to their game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    This is borderline blind love

    It's "blind love" to predict a 9th round defeat for McGregor?

    You people want it all ways. You want to slag Conor off pre-fight saying he's hopeless and will be destroyed. AND you want to say "well if he does well it was only because it was rigged and staged".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    It's "blind love" to predict a 9th round defeat for McGregor?

    You people want it all ways. You want to slag Conor off pre-fight saying he's hopeless and will be destroyed. AND you want to say "well if he does well it was only because it was rigged and staged".

    If you think they wil be the scorecards after 8 rounds . You honestly are blinded by a fascination you have with CMcG . It's insanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb



    If you think Floyd is going to destroy him, then man up and stop saying "oh well if Conor does well it's rigged".

    I think I have been very clear in my view that Floyd destroys Conor in an above board boxing match...Haven't many many others also? Or have you missed a whole lot?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    I think I have been very clear in my view that Floyd destroys Conor in an above board boxing match...Haven't many many others also? Or have you missed a whole lot?

    You've been very clear in implying you feel this fight might be rigged or staged.

    And conveniently you will only believe it was rigged or staged if Conor does well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You've been very clear in implying you feel this fight might be rigged or staged.

    And conveniently you will only believe it was rigged or staged if Conor does well.

    Yes, you are correct. Finally the penny is dropping. I am hardly alone in thinking that this novelty act "could" be staged or that there could be agreement between the parties.

    Either way, lets's say it is not staged, for me it will never be anything other than a novelty act. It's not sport because of the disparity/handicapping for one side.

    Not staged and I would fear for Conor's health.

    Staged....? well, expect anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭pastorbarrett


    There's absolutely nothing to suggest this will be staged. Zero. No evidence. It's not a talking point.

    Really, if you can say anything with certainty about Conor, it's that he's a competitor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, you are correct. Finally the penny is dropping. I am hardly alone in thinking that this novelty act "could" be staged or that there could be agreement between the parties.

    Either way, lets's say it is not staged, for me it will never be anything other than a novelty act. It s not sport because of the disparity/handicapping for one side.

    Not staged and I would fear for Conor's health.

    Staged....? well, expect anything.

    Well that's very convenient to hold those positions.

    Floyd KO's Conor inside 20 seconds -

    Walshb: "Told you so. Conor is hopeless".

    Conor wins:

    Walshb: "Rigged fight".

    Conor loses on points:

    Walshb: "Staged fight!!"


    There's literally nothing Conor can do in this fight to earn any credit from you.... by definition you are a trolling hater.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb



    Conor wins:

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Why is it so important that you feel Conor should get credit? You have been beating on about it for pages...what type of credit, and for what?

    Can we at least wait until the fight ends before we throw out credit? At least then we can evaluate and study what we are crediting...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    BTW, isn't Conor Junior the spit of his paternal grandfather? Conor posted an instagram photo a few days ago....wow!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    BTW, why is it so important that you feel Conor should get credit? You have been beating on about it for pages...what type of credit, and for what?

    I think your attitude is absolutely childish.

    When Ireland lost to France last summer 2-1 in the Euros, I gave them a lot of credit for their 1st half performance. Some defensive errors and the red-card changed the game but that first half they were well on top against a side (on paper) who were far better in every position.

    Tell me why if Conor performs well you can't just say "Jesus I take my hat off to him, he did very well in there!"? Why feel the need to say "if he does well it was because it was rigged"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think your attitude is absolutely childish.

    When Ireland lost to France last summer 2-1 in the Euros, I gave them a lot of credit for their 1st half performance. Some defensive errors and the red-card changed the game but that first half they were well on top against a side (on paper) who were far better in every position.

    Tell me why if Conor performs well you can't just say "Jesus I take my hat off to him, he did very well in there!"? Why feel the need to say "if he does well it was because it was rigged"?

    Again, can we actually wait and see what happens first? Or are you not allowing that before throwing around the "Conor hater" nonsense?

    First off, performing well can be subjective. IF you think he does, does that mean I have to as well, and if not that means I am a Conor hater?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Juts to add....if I see Conor performing well against a committed Mayweater then I will credit him. If it's a case of performing well against a Mayweather who is carrying him and allowing him to survive I will call it as such. I think I will know the difference between a Mayweather carrying Conor and not carrying Conor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    Again, can we actually wait and see what happens first? Or are you not allowing that before throwing around the "Conor hater" nonsense?

    First off, performing well can be subjective. IF you think he does, does that mean I have to as well, and if not that means I am a Conor hater?

    Answer this:

    If Conor KO's Floyd inside 1 minute with a lead-hand corkscrew uppercut, left hook combo...

    What will you say?

    Simple question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Too Tough To Die


    I just knew you two would get into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Answer this:

    If Conor KO's Floyd inside 1 minute with a lead-hand corkscrew uppercut, left hook combo...

    What will you say?

    Simple question.

    He'd deserve the freedom of the city...major kudos.

    Assuming of course said scenario is not staged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    walshb wrote: »
    He'd deserve the freedom of the city...major kudos.

    Assuming of course said scenario is not staged.

    I get what you're saying about Mayweather carrying McGregor across the 12 rounds to give some veneer of competitiveness.

    Do you think though, in all honesty, the Floyd would go so far as to allow himself to be beaten? What would that achieve


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Well that's very convenient to hold those positions.

    Floyd KO's Conor inside 20 seconds -

    Walshb: "Told you so. Conor is hopeless".

    Conor wins:

    Walshb: "Rigged fight".

    Conor loses on points:

    Walshb: "Staged fight!!"


    There's literally nothing Conor can do in this fight to earn any credit from you.... by definition you are a trolling hater.

    Can I ask then, what to you, would qualify as Conor doing well against him then? Winning a round? Landing a punch? KO?

    I am honestly curious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    He'd deserve the freedom of the city...major kudos.

    Assuming of course said scenario is not staged.[/QUOTE

    Ah. Ok. So if Conor KO's Floyd it might be staged?

    Give me ONE good reason Floyd would stage a fight to get knocked out unconscious and lose his 50-0 record?

    Why do you feel the need to constantly add little sniping comments alleging if Conor wins it might be because of a fixed fight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭cletus


    I know the above question wasn't aimed at me, but IMO, assuming the fight is above board (I do think it will be) and assuming Floyd will look to stop McGregor, losing a unanimous decision having lasted 12 rounds would be considered good


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,448 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    cletus wrote: »
    I get what you're saying about Mayweather carrying McGregor across the 12 rounds to give some veneer of competitiveness.

    Do you think though, in all honesty, the Floyd would go so far as to allow himself to be beaten? What would that achieve

    Floyd would hardly agree to allow himself be beaten. But for the sake of the question being asked I had to include that...


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