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Kiwi in IE wrote: »^ If you feel you wish to only associate with those who reflect your exact views, isn't a church/prayer group/church related get together, a better way to meet your needs than a discussion group on the internet, where people are going to discuss and debate differing views and opinions? The way I understand it, this is a forum about Christianity run by Boards.ie, rather than an RCC run forum where discussion must be Vatican censored.
The Vatican does not censor discussion, its 2016. Also yes its boards.ie, so why not a Forum for Irish Catholics about Irish Catholic issues?? 0 -
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The Vatican does not censor discussion, its 2016
My mistake, I must have been thinking it was still 2012!
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Kiwi in IE wrote: »^ If you feel you wish to only associate with those who reflect your exact views, isn't a church/prayer group/church related get together, a better way to meet your needs than a discussion group on the internet, where people are going to discuss and debate differing views and opinions? The way I understand it, this is a forum about Christianity run by Boards.ie, rather than an RCC run forum where discussion must be Vatican censored.
What a load of balls. Boards.ie have an Xbox forum. It's not ran by MS, nor are discussions there moderated by same. Still if someone starts a discussion on the problems they're encountering with the online gaming, or a debate about controllers or opinions a new game, if some <snip> jumped straight in with a "XBOX SUCKS, PS RULES!" it'll be quickly shut down.
For some reason this is different here, where the most innocuous threads immediately have the usual A&Aers beating down the door to outline what they think. And the Thanks brigade out in force to back them up
I do wonder about the mentality that leads some to continually haunt the forum, but *shrugs shoulders* I guess it's getting them kicks,
And people wonder why this forum is dead.0 -
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What a load of balls. Boards.ie have an Xbox forum. It's not ran by MS, nor are discussions there moderated by same. Still if someone starts a discussion on the problems they're encountering with the online gaming, or a debate about controllers or opinions a new game, if some <snip> jumped straight in with a "XBOX SUCKS, PS RULES!" it'll be quickly shut down.
For some reason this is different here, where the most innocuous threads immediately have the usual A&Aers beating down the door to outline what they think. And the Thanks brigade out in force to back them up I do wonder about the mentality that leads some to continually haunt the forum, but *shrugs shoulders* I guess it's getting them kicks,
And people wonder why this forum is dead.
Its been dead for over a year and now you have risen it again...not sure if you're haunting it or its a miracle?0 -
The amount of people that have left this forum and site because of what you wrote, amounts to more than those who remained who would be considered regulars.What a load of balls. Boards.ie have an Xbox forum. It's not ran by MS, nor are discussions there moderated by same. Still if someone starts a discussion on the problems they're encountering with the online gaming, or a debate about controllers or opinions a new game, if some <snip> jumped straight in with a "XBOX SUCKS, PS RULES!" it'll be quickly shut down.
For some reason this is different here, where the most innocuous threads immediately have the usual A&Aers beating down the door to outline what they think. And the Thanks brigade out in force to back them up I do wonder about the mentality that leads some to continually haunt the forum, but *shrugs shoulders* I guess it's getting them kicks,
And people wonder why this forum is dead.
The moderation is definitely an issue but are you going to walk away because someone wants you gone? Let them twist and manipulate rules to suit themselves if they have to. Just let your light shine. That's all that needs doing.0 -
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I do wonder about the mentality that leads some to continually haunt the forum, but *shrugs shoulders* I guess it's getting them kicks,
Interesting attitude, given you've about four times more posts in the A&A forum than you do in this one. You're not alone there either, many of the regulars on this forum also have lots of posts on the A&A forum, many of which tend to strongly push a Christian point of view. No harm in either IMHO, boards is a discussion forum where you open your views to being challenged as part of the discussion. Interesting that the Christians feel drowned out in a country that is apparently 90% Christian
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The 'non-functionality' of the forum is sadly a reflection of the 'non-functionality' of Christianity in the wider world and the inroads being made by aggressive Secularism within all spheres, traditionally provided by Christianity, including ethics, education and healthcare ... and sadly, I have to say, it's not for the better.
This is a road to nowhere JC. It's simply impossible to evaluate the positive and negative contribution of Christianity to the world over the course of history - if the measure is to be that which is actually Christian vs. that which is culturally Christian. "Traditionally" must also include "Christianity" in the geopolitical force sense. That Christianity became the platform on which power and wealth were obtained and exercised and need not have even a passing relationship to spreading the kingdom of God for kingdom of God's sake.
The purpose of Christianity isn't, in my view, to obtain a Christian world order, or a Christian-principle dominated society. The world is and always will be corrupted and contra-the kingdom of God, until the time when the world is finally wrapped up for good. Christianity will operate within that framework and have it's successes and failures.I too have noticed the 'thanks ganging' amongst atheists to posts they post ... and 'post-ganging' against posts that Christians post and in favour of atheist postings ... which contrasts with the paucity of thanks and posting support between the Christian posters and lurkers on this forum.
Christians are often mercilessly disparaged by atheists on this forum ... and sadly, other Christians just pass by, like the proverbial priest in the story of the good samaritan. Even if you disagree with somebody's theology, surely, as Christians, we should be the first to challenge the posting of crass ad hominems being directed at anybody on the forum?
Sticks and stones? I mean, if everybody and his brother can see thanks cranking up for the most inane of posts then the currency value of thanks diminishes to nought. Seriously, a string of thanks under a poor post reminds me of wheelbarrows of Reichsmarks used to buy a loaf of bread in Weirmar Republic Germany.
Apologetics (in so far as it is of any use at all) isn't a game of score keepingThe big issue IMO, is the complete lack of support, even interest in, for example, what I post, by Christians ... which contrasts dramatically with the very high interest levels, all be it negative interest levels, shown by Atheists in it.
Unlike the Christians, the Atheists (correctly) recognise that what I post (on Creationism) is at the very heart of the Christian Faith - and needs to be countered and eliminated, if they are to fully succeed, in secualrising every aspect of society.
If God didn't Create us (either directly or by some other process) then there is no basis for believing that He cares about us (or that we should care about Him) ... and our Faith is a nonesense ... as Atheists keep (correctly) pointing out.
This point relies on your being right about Creationism (as opposed to being right about us being God's creation). The latter is a given for a Christian but you argue the Creationist viewpoint, many aspects of which simply aren't tenable for many Christians. I think the atheist pile-on here has to do more with it being an area which they can deploy heavy, universally understood, guns. The science stacks up against young earth, stacks up for ToE and the like. Whilst I've no doubt that science hasn't the final word, it remains an important currency for direction finding in this world. And so, there's a shooting-fish-in-a-barrel element that even the humblest foot soldier on "the other side" can access.
Ultimately, as in the Garden, a person needs to be equipped for a choice in either direction: towards God or against. And so, for every argument put forward for God, there needs to be a way to effectively deny it such as to provide an individual with choice. The place for Christianity isn't so much in the killer argument for God but in the way and manner by which you conduct yourself (mea culpa) and the questions you raise in the heart of a person that ultimately cannot be answered by argument on either side. It's when these questions become pressing in a person and the arguments-with-no-proof no longer scratch the itch, that the way to God is rendered open.Indeed if God didn't Create life and it arose spontaneously, there is no basis for even believing that God exists ... it's as stark as that ... and Atheists instinctively recognise this ... but Christians seems to think that they can tell their Children that 'Jesus loves them' or some such banality ... and everything created itself, without God ... and wonder why they then end up with chidren who are practical Atheists. How could it be otherwise, actually?
Christians tell their children that everything created itself?? Which Christians are these?As for all the whining, that the Atheists 'steal our toys when we (Christians) come out to play' on the Boards.ie ... I would say that when the going gets tough ... the tough should get going.
The Atheists are indeed correct that a Faith that cannot stand up to scrutiny isn't much of a Faith.
Another problem: it is simply not possible to argue to the end on a discussion forum. The points broaden out as you go deeper, the posts get longer and longer, the time spent correcting mis-understanding of points of detail goes exponential. This occurs even if the original point is relatively narrow and the posters are reasonably able at to-and-fro debate. Dealing with a pile-on is simply an exercise in, well exercise. It struck me eventually that it was simply an exercise in how long I could keep the plates spinning 0 -
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Agreed ... but Christianity (in all senses of the word) has dominated the World up until a few years ago ... for example western jurisprudence ... which is the basis of law over most of the globe is taken directly from Judeo-christian jurisprudence.antiskeptic wrote: »This is a road to nowhere JC. It's simply impossible to evaluate the positive and negative contribution of Christianity to the world over the course of history - if the measure is to be that which is actually Christian vs. that which is culturally Christian. "Traditionally" must also include "Christianity" in the geopolitical force sense. That Christianity became the platform on which power and wealth were obtained and exercised and need not have even a passing relationship to spreading the kingdom of God for kingdom of God's sake.
The purpose of Christianity isn't, in my view, to obtain a Christian world order, or a Christian-principle dominated society. The world is and always will be corrupted and contra-the kingdom of God, until the time when the world is finally wrapped up for good. Christianity will operate within that framework and have it's successes and failures.
Fair point on the low value of (overused) Atheist thanking ... but no thanks at all to some excellent Christian posts, surely 'overvalues' their thanks to the point of miserliness !!!:Dantiskeptic wrote: »Sticks and stones? I mean, if everybody and his brother can see thanks cranking up for the most inane of posts then the currency value of thanks diminishes to nought. Seriously, a string of thanks under a poor post reminds me of wheelbarrows of Reichsmarks used to buy a loaf of bread in Weirmar Republic Germany.
Christian Apologetics is critical in todays world of rampant Atheist apologetics in all it's forms.antiskeptic wrote: »Apologetics (in so far as it is of any use at all) isn't a game of score keeping.
I agree with you on all of that ... but my point is that the Christian Churches have totally surrendered to the Atheist worldview, not only on creationism ... but crucially also on us being part of God's Creation, by running headlong along with any any unfounded materialistic speculation that secularists conjure up about the origins of life and the Earth itself ... to explain everything without any requirement for God in the process .. and that is why children from Christian homes are largely practical atheists by the time they reach their teens.antiskeptic wrote: »This point relies on your being right about Creationism (as opposed to being right about us being God's creation). The latter is a given for a Christian but you argue the Creationist viewpoint, many aspects of which simply aren't tenable for many Christians.
I don't expect all Christians to be Creationists ... but I do expect them to have cogent practical arguments for why they believe we are part of God's Creation ... and not just act as repeaters for the latest Atheist explantion for why it created itself without any need for God in the process.
The Atheists pile-in on almost everything posted by Christians that challenges their worldview ... and not only my postings. For example, the Christian Churches run about 90% of the primary schools in this country and there is a strong secularist campaign to reduce this to zero ... yet it doesn't even merit a thread on this forum (or if it did it has sunk without trace).antiskeptic wrote: »I think the atheist pile-on here has to do more with it being an area which they can deploy heavy, universally understood, guns. The science stacks up against young earth, stacks up for ToE and the like. Whilst I've no doubt that science hasn't the final word, it remains an important currency for direction finding in this world. And so, there's a shooting-fish-in-a-barrel element that even the humblest foot soldier on "the other side" can access.
... yet over on the A & A there is a very active thread on this topic with a very cohesive Atheist posting framework ... and a discordant hit and miss approach by Christians, if they even bother to post at all. Its like they don't care ... while the Atheists, to a man, care very deeply indeed.
Quite true, we ultimately need a change of heart for the unsaved to be saved ... but, in many cases a change of heart won't happen without a change of mind ... and thus strong intellectual arguments are also critical in the battle for souls.antiskeptic wrote: »Ultimately, as in the Garden, a person needs to be equipped for a choice in either direction: towards God or against. And so, for every argument put forward for God, there needs to be a way to effectively deny it such as to provide an individual with choice. The place for Christianity isn't so much in the killer argument for God but in the way and manner by which you conduct yourself (mea culpa) and the questions you raise in the heart of a person that ultimately cannot be answered by argument on either side. It's when these questions become pressing in a person and the arguments-with-no-proof no longer scratch the itch, that the way to God is rendered open.
This is done for the Christian parents by a secualrist dominated media and education system that repeatedy tells their children that everything created itself without any need for God ... and with little or no opposing arguments from church systems that are rapidly becoming moribund.antiskeptic wrote: »Christians tell their children that everything created itself?? Which Christians are these?
True ... but if you keep your points succinct ... and summarise as you go along ... you will not be drowned out by pile ins and the use of excesssive verbage by the other side.:)antiskeptic wrote: »Another problem: it is simply not possible to argue to the end on a discussion forum. The points broaden out as you go deeper, the posts get longer and longer, the time spent correcting mis-understanding of points of detail goes exponential. This occurs even if the original point is relatively narrow and the posters are reasonably able at to-and-fro debate. Dealing with a pile-on is simply an exercise in, well exercise. It struck me eventually that it was simply an exercise in how long I could keep the plates spinning
The pile-ins can even work to your advantage by showing up logical inconsitencies in the secularists arguments, by contrasting such inconsistencies between points made in the multiple postings of the other side.0 -
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