Islam and the progressive left?

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2017 11:33pm #1

What's going on there?

Is it two fingers to the big bogey white man or just the turkeys voting for Christmas?

Ubbquittious · 13-06-2017 11:42pm

Dafuq?

AllForIt · 13-06-2017 11:42pm

Now if you said Islamists and the progressive left then I think there would be a problem.

I think Muslims have every right be Muslims and hopefully they will experience an evolutionary cultural growth like Catholics did in this country in the last 20 or so years.

Beyondgone · 13-06-2017 11:45pm

Turkeys voting for Christmas, pretty much.

Arghus · 13-06-2017 11:47pm

What about Islam and Progressive Rock?

Sweetemotion · 13-06-2017 11:50pm

Arghus wrote: »

What about Islam and Progressive Rock?

Don't be silly.

Ipso · 13-06-2017 11:51pm

Arghus wrote: »

What about Islam and Progressive Rock?

Sharia don't like it.

Arghus · 13-06-2017 11:53pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Don't be silly.

Progressive Jazz then.

frag420 · 13-06-2017 11:54pm

Ipso wrote: »

Sharia don't like it.

Rock the casba...

Ipso · 13-06-2017 11:54pm

AllForIt wrote: »

Now if you said Islamists and the progressive left then I think there would be a problem.

I think Muslims have every right be Muslims and hopefully they will experience an evolutionary cultural growth like Catholics did in this country in the last 20 or so years.

It's disheartening though when you see grown men lose the plot over a cartoon or a teddy bears name.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-06-2017 11:57pm

Muslims need their Woodstock

The Backwards Man · 13-06-2017 11:57pm

Us libtards won't be laughing when Europe is Islamified eh?

Or some such bollocks

GLaDOS · 13-06-2017 11:57pm

Arghus wrote: »

What about Islam and Progressive Rock?

They're more post-metal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(band)

Junkyard Tom · 13-06-2017 11:59pm

More worrying are treacherous cunts on the 'right' that have been colluding with some of the most vile death-cult strains of Islamofascism for decades and gifted us the utter mess in the Middle East and North Africa and blowback at home.

Beyondgone · 14-06-2017 12:02am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

More worrying are treacherous cunts on the 'right' that have been colluding with some of the most vile death-cult strains of Islamofascism for decades and gifted us the utter mess in the Middle East and North Africa and blowback at home.

Cnuts to the Left, Tories to the right..stuck in the middle with you..

Arghus · 14-06-2017 12:04am

GLaDOS wrote: »

They're more post-metal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(band)

They like punk too -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXvJjWIuSOE

rossie1977 · 14-06-2017 12:16am

Is progressive Islam and the right a thing?

Wailin · 14-06-2017 12:44am

AllForIt wrote: »

hopefully they will experience an evolutionary cultural growth like Catholics did in this country in the last 20 or so years.

Why?

Atoms for Peace · 14-06-2017 12:48am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqL0giCY6NE

tiger55 · 14-06-2017 12:49am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS1z7hJPzY0

tiger55 · 14-06-2017 12:54am

Beyondgone wrote: »

Turkeys voting for Christmas, pretty much.

Its total madness. You see banners and people on Twitter saying stuff like "LGTB stand will refugees" etc

Junkyard Tom · 14-06-2017 1:52am

tiger55 wrote: »

youtube.vid

Posting videos of youtube 'personality' kranks isn't an argument. Make the point without posting a fanboy link.

Victor · 14-06-2017 3:32am

Ipso wrote: »

Sharia don't like it.

Is that Sharia Twain?

AnGaelach · 14-06-2017 3:50am

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What's going on there?

Is it two fingers to the big bogey white man or just the turkeys voting for Christmas?

I think it's some kind of neurosis by the Left to categorise everybody as helpless hapless creatures that need their protection. Certain elements of the Left have gone so far into their delusions that they seem to believe minorities to be, essentially, children needing their hand and their care.

Whilst some on the Left no doubt see it as merely an electoral ploy to get votes, I believe a great many of them are quite fanatical in their belief. Fanatical to the point of double-think.

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

wonderfullife · 14-06-2017 3:57am

AnGaelach wrote: »

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

Umm.

We live on an Island where Catholics up north denounce members of the same religion (Christianity) for going through their area.

Here's a thought - maybe it's just common sense and common decency not to antagonise and wind-up a community for no reason?

AnGaelach · 14-06-2017 4:02am

wonderfullife wrote: »

Umm.

We live on an Island where Catholics up north denounce members of the same religion (Christianity) for going through their area.

Here's a thought - maybe it's just common sense and common decency not to antagonise and wind-up a community for no reason?

I don't remember the gays oppressing Muslims in Sweden.

Trying to draw such comparisons is intellectually dishonest at best

Ulysses Gaze · 14-06-2017 4:22am

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What's going on there?

Is it two fingers to the big bogey white man or just the turkeys voting for Christmas?

It's Regressive Left, not Progressive Left.

Ulysses Gaze · 14-06-2017 4:26am

AnGaelach wrote: »

I think it's some kind of neurosis by the Left to categorise everybody as helpless hapless creatures that need their protection. Certain elements of the Left have gone so far into their delusions that they seem to believe minorities to be, essentially, children needing their hand and their care.

Whilst some on the Left no doubt see it as merely an electoral ploy to get votes, I believe a great many of them are quite fanatical in their belief. Fanatical to the point of double-think.

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

So they are condescending, patronising Racists then.

Hank Scorpio · 14-06-2017 4:35am

Like other viewpoints concerning people of that ilk, feelings seem to prevail over facts. In the US, the image of a burqa among certain groups has become some kind of a symbol for Women's rights and the leader of various Women's rights marches, Linda Sarsour, is an advocate for Sharia law.

Arghus · 14-06-2017 5:09am

AnGaelach wrote: »

I think it's some kind of neurosis by the Left to categorise everybody as helpless hapless creatures that need their protection. Certain elements of the Left have gone so far into their delusions that they seem to believe minorities to be, essentially, children needing their hand and their care.

Whilst some on the Left no doubt see it as merely an electoral ploy to get votes, I believe a great many of them are quite fanatical in their belief. Fanatical to the point of double-think.

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

I would imagine they were "demonised", as you say, because they were being knowingly antagonistic towards one group they oppose, by piggybacking on the advocacy of another group they oppose marginly less, because it temporarily suited their political agenda - let's not pretend they honestly cared deeply about Gay Rights. I suppose you could class it as textbook doublethink from that particular outer fringe of right wing politics - if it wasn't so fundamentally cynical and attention seeking.

BuilderPlumber · 14-06-2017 6:14am

I find it insulting to equate certain views as so-called 'left' or 'right'. I think most people are a mix of different views. With regard to wannabe Blofeld or Max Zorin types who have crazed views to take over the world and commit mass murder: it does not matter if they are Muslims, Christians, atheists or whatever. They are evil criminals and totally deranged, they are also conmen and what they 'promise' the gullible who follow them blindly are all lies. ISIS/al Qaeda is the CURRENT 'Islamic' version but in the future we will see these types rear their ugly head again in both religious (Islam and other forms) and atheistic ways. Sadly, evil toerags exist and they are not confined to any one race or creed. Sadly, the 'ISIS idea' is harder to kill off than the current 'Muslims' using this idea. Sadly, the kamekazi and others put this horrible idea on the map and sadly America put the idea of bombing 2 cities with nuclear bombs on the map (or off the map as it may be). Khmer Rouge, Hitler, Stalin, Breivik, etc. All this madness is repeated all the time by all types. Sadly, others copy all this evil and it is all evil no matter if it is done by 'religious', 'atheists', 'da left' or 'da right'. Whatever the latter 2 things mean.

suicide_circus · 14-06-2017 7:55am

There is a certain indefinable quality amongst those of us who espouse "left/liberal" values whereby we often give "brown" communities a free pass when their values are at odds with ours because "culture" and because "diversity". At the same time, someone of a similar cultural background to ourselves is mercilessly piloried for expressing views at odds with our own "left/liberal" interpretation of the world. It's an inconsistency and a weakness in character and in conviction. It probably has something to do with collective colonial guilt and a fear of being perceived as racist. We're very quick to utter the platitude "this does not represent Islam!!!" But slow to utter "this does not represent Christianity"

Hector Savage · 14-06-2017 8:42am

tiger55 wrote: »

Its total madness. You see banners and people on Twitter saying stuff like "LGTB stand will refugees" etc

Well thats fine, LGB standing with refugees ? Perfectly reasonable.
What is nuts are sings like "Queers for Islam"
I mean do they know what sharia law says about homosexuality ?

Regressive left

Hector Savage · 14-06-2017 8:45am

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

So they are condescending, patronising Racists then.

Thats exactly what they are!
Just look at how patronizing these cretins are

Hector Savage · 14-06-2017 8:51am

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Like other viewpoints concerning people of that ilk, feelings seem to prevail over facts. In the US, the image of a burqa among certain groups has become some kind of a symbol for Women's rights and the leader of various Women's rights marches, Linda Sarsour, is an advocate for Sharia law.

Linda Sarsour is a total hypocrite and bully.
She's a dangerous dangerous person, and being held up as some kind of feminist activist ? what a joke.

Also lecturing the US on their treatment of LGBT people ? and she advocates sharia law ? where's the ****ing camera

conditioned games · 14-06-2017 9:04am

The global elites used WW1 to defeat the Czars of Russia and create communism, they used WW2 to create the state of Israel and expand communism, while WW3 will use Islam as a tool to defeat the West so they can bring in their one world government. These people call themselves progressive left, such as George Soros, Warren Buffett, Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc..

Widdershins · 14-06-2017 9:18am

AnGaelach wrote: »

I think it's some kind of neurosis by the Left to categorise everybody as helpless hapless creatures that need their protection. Certain elements of the Left have gone so far into their delusions that they seem to believe minorities to be, essentially, children needing their hand and their care.

Whilst some on the Left no doubt see it as merely an electoral ploy to get votes, I believe a great many of them are quite fanatical in their belief. Fanatical to the point of double-think.

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

Nail on the head.

These types are racist in a way. They have the most condescending view of minorities' and are quite racist about brown people and therefore Islam. In the ''Racism of low expectations'' sense.

And I know some extreme Left wing people right at the very far edge of Leftiness. If you go any further Left from them you end up in the sea.

dav3 · 14-06-2017 9:20am

'Progressive' is a pejorative term now? It can be difficult to keep up with the 12 year old american edgelords, every day a new definition of a word. Whatever will they think of next.

Hector Savage · 14-06-2017 9:27am

I wonder would the regressive left want a Gay pride march banned in a Christian neighbourhood ? hmmmmmmmmmm

Widdershins · 14-06-2017 9:29am

dav3 wrote: »

'Progressive' is a pejorative term now? It can be difficult to keep up with the 12 year old american edgelords, every day a new definition of a word. Whatever will they think of next.

Of course not but they call themselves Progressive and at the same time don't live up to that. Their attitudes are not progressive! I would say ''progressive Left'' is a misnomer.

nozzferrahhtoo · 14-06-2017 9:46am

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Dafuq?

No I think the correct spelling is "Dabiq"

Or at least that is where a certain subsection of them wrote the heart warming article called "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You"

topper75 · 14-06-2017 11:23am

AllForIt wrote: »

... hopefully they will experience an evolutionary cultural growth like Catholics did in this country in the last 20 or so years.

Walk us through that please. How does it happen?

And in your answer treat of the Asian muslims who have lived in Britain for many decades now. They have experienced growth alright but certainly not the 'evolutionary cultural growth' you referred to. Rather than mellow out in any fashion, they have proceeded to produce a crop of 2nd gen terrorists.

The self-styled progressive left must declare what they are 'progressing' to. Is it some kind of international communism? If so check out what was going in over in Afghanistan in the 80's and have another think about the strategy that sees refugees from muslim lands as the oppressed.

take everything · 14-06-2017 11:57am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Thats exactly what they are!
Just look at how patronizing these cretins are

Jaysus that is so telling.
These people are pathetically unselfaware.

red ears · 14-06-2017 12:50pm

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Us libtards won't be laughing when Europe is Islamified eh?

Or some such bollocks

You will be gone its your grandchildren who will deal with the results of this liberal naivety.

Richard Hillman · 14-06-2017 1:19pm

The one thing that leftism doesn't and has never acounted for is that there are bad people in the world.

It works brilliantly on paper but there will always be somebody to abuse the system. Whether it be corruption for more wealth/power, or socially where the meanist kid rules the play ground because he doesn't play by the rules.

This will always occur, its human nature for an alpha male to take control.

At the moment Sunni Islam is the alpha male. It doesn't play by conventional rules and if you upset it, it will end brutally.

biko · 14-06-2017 1:20pm

Islam and the progressive left?

Maybe it is that they both hate Jews

Grayson · 14-06-2017 1:26pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

If you'd done a single bit of research you'd see the official Pride organisation and Sweden's LGBT Federation were against it. They released an official statement that said that they wouldn't support such an event since the aims were not to support gay rights but rather to attempt to antogonise people. They also stated that the organizer of the parade had a history of making homophobic statements.

btw, this is the political party you're talking about. Lovely bunch of lads aren't they.

Racist incidents[edit]
The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share of elected municipal representatives resign since the 2010 elections (27.8%).[115] Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives.[115]

In November 2012, party spokesperson Erik Almqvist resigned after he had been caught on tape making racist and sexist statements.[116] Another video later surfaced, showing how Almqvist, in addition to party spokesperson Kent Ekeroth and party official Christian Westling were arming themselves with aluminium pipes before they sought out a confrontation with Soran Ismail, a Swedish comedian of Kurdish descent.[117]

In November 2012, parliamentarian Lars Isovaara resigned after accusing two people of foreign origin of stealing his bag (which Isovaara had left at a restaurant) and then proceeding to verbally abuse a security guard of a foreign background.[118] Isovaara's replacement in parliament, Markus Wiechel, was found in April 2013 to have referred to a group of black people as "monkeys".[119]

In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in neo-Nazi or other extremist movements.[120]

In November 2013, parliamentarian and then vice party leader Jonas Åkerlund gained attention for having called immigrants "parasites" during a broadcast on SD's own radio station in 2002, after the recording was publicly rediscovered. In his defence, Åkerlund stated that he only said it to provoke people.[121]

In September 2014, a few weeks before the general election, the party chairman of the local Stockholm branch, Christoffer Dulny resigned from his position. He had been posting mocking comments about immigrants, calling them "shameless liers" on alternative media sites.[122] He also resigned from his newly won position in the parliament on the same day he was elected, 29 September 2014.[123]

In October 2016, a video of the parliamentarian and economic policy spokesperson Oscar Sjöstedt making antisemitic jokes was released. Whilst at a party, believed to have taken place in 2011, he laughingly told a story about former co-workers with Nazi sympathies mocking Jews and comparing them to sheep.[124]

During the same month, the parliamentarian and second vice party leader Carina Herrstedt was confronted with having sent an allegedly racist, antisemitic, homophobic and antiziganist email to her then spouse in 2011. The email, which had been leaked from the party's internal servers, for instance contained phrases that named black football players from the team Landskrona BoIS as **** whilst also picturing Romani people as thieves.[125]

In December 2016, the parliamentarian Anna Hagwall was thrown out of the party after using arguments associated with antisemitism to argue for a bill that she introduced in parliament intended to reduce concentration of media ownership in Sweden.[126]

Zebra3 · 14-06-2017 1:30pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

I think it's some kind of neurosis by the Left to categorise everybody as helpless hapless creatures that need their protection. Certain elements of the Left have gone so far into their delusions that they seem to believe minorities to be, essentially, children needing their hand and their care.

Whilst some on the Left no doubt see it as merely an electoral ploy to get votes, I believe a great many of them are quite fanatical in their belief. Fanatical to the point of double-think.

For example, in Sweden the SD (a right-wing party) was demonised for trying to organise a gay pride march because it went through a Muslim area... Think about that for a second. The Left denounced a gay pride rally because it went through a Muslim area.

"The Left" did all that?

Everyone on "The Left" did all of that?

Really? :rolleyes:

nozzferrahhtoo · 14-06-2017 2:29pm

It is lamentable that this "left/right" partisan language of the US has invaded our discourse over here. It is such a nonsense as Zebra3 just highlighted. And all too often....... in my experience nearly all of the time........ it is just a linguistic move to run away from a persons particular point and attack a vague generalization instead.

With this level of discourse you can just ignore anything a person says and say "Oh that point is so liberal/left/right/conservative and the problem with liberabls/lefts/rights/conservatives is..........." and run away on some irrelevant tangent. It is the discourse move, generally, of a coward or someone without an actual argument to make.

Take Snow's comment about that "the left" will "associate mistreatment of single mothers with catholicism" but declare IS "has nothing to do with islam". How come everyone I ever debate with instantly puts me on the left then, yet I very much DO look to Islam and Islamic doctrines when evaluating the actions of IS, and I very much do side with the people who lambaste Obama and Clinton and the like for not talking that talking, and always hamming around the issue? In fact did I not on this very THREAD quote an article by such people TELLING the west why they hate us and why they fight us?

This left/right nonsense people spew.... they do not care if it actually fits. They can just assert it and run, without a care if 1 million people or only 1 person actually fits their narrative. Political opinions and ideals are a SPECTRUM of values, but the simplistic thinkers in our world want to force it into one of two boxes every time. Which makes THEM, not the people they box, the ones that are engaged in "predictable" and "sheep" thinking.

SkepticQuark · 14-06-2017 2:32pm

tiger55 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS1z7hJPzY0

You lost me as soon as Paul Joseph Watson appeared. Using an Infowars "journalist" piece would be like me posting a TYT clip.

topper75 · 14-06-2017 2:35pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

"The Left" did all that?

Everyone on "The Left" did all of that?

Really? :rolleyes:

So that Norwegian Breivik is not a warning about right wing extremism, because he is only one person?

Am I doing your logic right?

Islam and the progressive left?

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