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2017 UK General Election - 8th June

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  • #2102
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    The hysteria is absolutely hilarious on social media. I read someone who thought the DUP was formed out of the Ulster resistance. :D
    I don't think the DUP should prop up the Tories. Is it really worth the hassle I doubt it. But the English criticism will be like water off a ducks back to the DUP.


  • #2103
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Clearly the 'new alliance' is making a few Tories nervous if Adam Boulton is right.

    I honestly don't think people put any thought into it, then all of a sudden they're wait, what?!?


  • #2104
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    May has just been on Sky News.

    basically saying
    - sorry for people losing seats
    - she wanted better results
    - she'll reflect on results and what needs to be done in future to take party forward
    - not thinking about resigning just her colleagues who lost their seats
    - clear they are party with most seats and most votes
    - forming government in national interest
    - avoided question on if brexit hand is weakened
    - says it's important to have certainity of a government who can handle neogiations
    - only party in position to do that.
    - dodged question about if she and government can last a full term

    Whole thing was full of repeating the same words and phrases over and over again.

    Looks like her programmer has changed the CD and loaded up some new phrases.

    Very much came across as party comes first.


  • #2105
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The hysteria is absolutely hilarious on social media. I read someone who thought the DUP was formed out of the Ulster resistance. :D
    I don't think the DUP should prop up the Tories. Is it really worth the hassle I doubt it. But the English criticism will be like water off a ducks back to the DUP.

    When the dust settles I reckon it will be realised that what happened on social media was what did for the Tories.

    Very well used by Labour imo.


  • #2106
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭Harika


    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Theresa May's arrogance should match up well with the DUP. She has just made one of the greatest political cock ups in tory history-and that's saying something-and yet came out at lunchtime with a 'now lets's get to work' speech as if she hadn't royally f****d up!

    She is in denial that she isn't toast, Boris won't back her up in public and parts of the torries will shudder in disgust by working together with DUP. What stroke me was that the DUP hasn't come out yet to support the Tory government, only let's wait and see. Meanwhile Teresa just assumed they would do whatever she wants and claimed them in her speech.


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  • #2107
    A Little Pony
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    Harika wrote: »
    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Theresa May's arrogance should match up well with the DUP. She has just made one of the greatest  political cock ups in tory history-and that's saying something-and yet came out at lunchtime with a 'now lets's get to work' speech as if she hadn't royally f****d up!

    She is in denial that she isn't toast, Boris won't back her up in public and parts of the torries will shudder in disgust by working together with DUP. What stroke me was that the DUP hasn't come out yet to support the Tory government, only let's wait and see. Meanwhile Teresa just assumed they would do whatever she wants and claimed them in her speech.
    Because some might see it as just hassle. Why take the ****. England actually thought the Tories were a Conservative party. Nothing Conservative about them.


  • #2108
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    keane2097 wrote: »
    We don't all feel like that, for what it's worth.

    I absolutely 100% believe and appreciate that. I don't even for one second believe that it's a majority of FG supporters who do, or even a majority of the elected reps. Some of them have been very good with regards to the North. Others the opposite.


  • #2109
    Jayop
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The hysteria is absolutely hilarious on social media. I read someone who thought the DUP was formed out of the Ulster resistance. :D
    I don't think the DUP should prop up the Tories. Is it really worth the hassle I doubt it. But the English criticism will be like water off a ducks back to the DUP.

    We don't often agree but that's bang on. If anything they'll revel in the notoriety.


  • #2110
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Anyone in Britain who isn't familiar with the DUP will get a sneak preview of their followers on the 'glorious 12th' !


  • #2111
    wes
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    DUP will surely piss off Irish Americans. Might jeopardize any trade deal with the US, that they desperately need.

    I think May has made her 2nd big mistake, by working with extremists like the DUP.


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  • #2112
    Jayop
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    realdanbreen wrote: »
    Anyone in Britain who isn't familiar with the DUP will get a sneak preview of their followers on the 'glorious 12th' !

    With the help of God it'll go off quietly enough. The worst thing about the 12th nowadays for most people is the stupid placement of the bonfires next to people's houses.


  • #2113
    A Little Pony
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    wes wrote: »
    DUP will surely piss off Irish Americans. Might jeopardize any trade deal with the US, that they desperately need.

    I think May has made her 2nd big mistake, by working with extremists like the DUP.
    Sinn Fein and the DUP worked together for years. English people need to get over it frankly. Starting to think some elements within England don't want those 'paddies' ruling over them.


  • #2114
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein and the DUP worked together for years.

    And that ended in tears because one party fought tooth and nail against normalising and the issuance of rights to northern Irish society. Rights that everyone in the rest of the UK have, and now that party are in cahoots with a desperate Tory party.

    The future's rosy.


  • #2115
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Starting to think some elements within England don't want those 'paddies' ruling over them.

    You are only picking that up now, it is been like that for years with regards to Scotland.

    People in Britian are saying DUwho

    The attacks with regards to the DUP will not be aimed at the DUP as quite frankly they are nut-jobs anyway. The attacks will be aimed at the Tories for getting into bed with Terrorist apologists


  • #2116
    A Little Pony
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein and the DUP worked together for years.

    And that ended in tears because one party fought tooth and nail against normalising and the issuance of rights to northern Irish society. Rights that everyone in the rest of the UK have, and now that party are in cahoots with a desperate Tory party.

    The future's rosy.
    That can only happen with a new executive. Maybe now that the DUP rules the roost maybe they will get it back up again with a concession or two.


  • #2117
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,814 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Realdanbreen, please don't just dump links here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2118
    ancapailldorcha
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That can only happen with a new executive. Maybe now that the DUP rules the roost maybe they will get it back up again with a concession or two.

    Looks like parity between Britain and Northern Ireland was the only thing they got. I can't see Theresa May letting them enact any of their anti-equality agenda.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2119
    FrancieBrady
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That can only happen with a new executive. Maybe now that the DUP rules the roost maybe they will get it back up again with a concession or two.

    The DUP will concede that their religious views should be left in their churches? I wouldn't think that is going to happen.


  • #2120
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,441 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    There will be another general election before December 2018, the current arrangement is just unworkable. Not sure what May is trying to achieve or what she thinks she can achieve but staying on is completely fruitless.


  • #2121
    A Little Pony
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That can only happen with a new executive. Maybe now that the DUP rules the roost maybe they will get it back up again with a concession or two.

    Looks like parity between Britain and Northern Ireland was the only thing they got. I can't see Theresa May letting them enact any of their anti-equality agenda.
    No but the DUP could pull the plug at any moment. She might need to join the Order to keep her job. :angel:


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  • #2122
    A Little Pony
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    That can only happen with a new executive. Maybe now that the DUP rules the roost maybe they will get it back up again with a concession or two.

    The DUP will concede that their religious views should be left in their churches? I wouldn't think that is going to happen.
    Irish language act with Ulster Scots act etc. Something like that.


  • #2123
    ancapailldorcha
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    No but the DUP could pull the plug at any moment. She might need to join the Order to keep her job. :angel:

    I can't see that happening. Northern Ireland voted strongly to remain in the EU. A border poll would be the end of NI as an entity and they know it. The current deal is their best chance of avoiding that and it's better than anything they could ever have hoped for.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2124
    A Little Pony
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    No but the DUP could pull the plug at any moment. She might need to join the Order to keep her job. :angel:

    I can't see that happening. Northern Ireland voted strongly to remain in the EU. A border poll would be the end of NI as an entity and they know it. The current deal is their best chance of avoiding that and it's better than anything they could ever have hoped for.
    A border poll would be rejected. It's one thing being in favour of the EU, it's another thing wanting a UI. Two of my family members voted Remain but they would all vote to remain in the UK. It's a different question.


  • #2125
    Harika
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    A border poll would be rejected. It's one thing being in favour of the EU, it's another thing wanting a UI. Two of my family members voted Remain but they would all vote to remain in the UK. It's a different question.

    DUP would be against hard or no deal brexit, that would be madness for them as this would imply a physical border between NI and IRL. Something May would be fine as possible outcome.


  • #2126
    wes
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein and the DUP worked together for years. English people need to get over it frankly. Starting to think some elements within England don't want those 'paddies' ruling over them.

    Irish Americans can be riled up easily enough, and considering the climate in the US right, it wouldn't take much for them to kick up a fuss.


  • #2127
    Right2Write
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭Right2Write


    One thing is for sure, the SF goose in NI is well and truly cooked for the immediate future. They have some hard thinking to do, no easy road anymore.


  • #2128
    blanch152
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Sinn Fein and the DUP worked together for years. English people need to get over it frankly. Starting to think some elements within England don't want those 'paddies' ruling over them.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the view that the DUP are unsuitable for governance in London. It is very similar to the stance being taken by many that SF are unsuitable for governance in Dublin. I don't think you can support one and oppose the other.

    They have been in charge of the Assembly together in the North and if one is suitable/unsuitable (delete according to your view) for governing in a full democracy, then the other is too.


  • #2129
    blanch152
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    Harika wrote: »
    DUP would be against hard or no deal brexit, that would be madness for them as this would imply a physical border between NI and IRL. Something May would be fine as possible outcome.

    There is a difference between a "hard border" and a "hard Brexit".


  • #2130
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Did I just hear that right on the RTE Drivetime: 'There is no deal yet?'


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  • #2131
    devnull
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    May Appears now to have lost control of the top of her own party.

    Yesterday it was already planned for a cabinet reshuffle to take place at 12pm today

    However it never occured and deadlines of 3pm and 5pm that were fed to the media this morning by Tory sources were not met.

    Earlier speculation was that her position was so weak that she was not able to push through the chances she wanted, now it's being reported that the senior team will not have any reshuffle..

    It appears that May is no longer able to command the respect and support of her own party and the rebels of the Tory party are now running the show.


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