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Saudi Arabian Football Team Refuse Minutes Silence for Terror Attacks

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  • #62
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Very poor behaviour from the Saudi's but unsurprising. Exceptionally unlikeable regime.


  • #63
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    buried wrote: »
    lol Yeah people just love living in a place where fellow human beings, their mothers, their daughters, are crucified and burnt at the stake every day. They really support that kind of violent fascism. It's probably at 99% support. Just like it was in Syria and Northern Iraq when 99% of the people tried to leg it out of there the minute the 'Islamic State' started its campaign of doing the exact same f**king thing. Facking waaaaaaaaaaack bro!!!

    Tubular, dudette! Assuming you actually mean the sarcasm, just re-read my post again. Anyone saying its 99% one way or the other is a total bummer. Therefore, ergo, concordantly my surf-faring dude, the support is a lot higher.


  • #64
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Do you have any evidence to support that the majority of saudis don't support the governments policies and regimes? Like Id believe it when I see it. Everyones happy to call russians homophobic people for instance, because they are, and their government are, but calling saudi arabians anything bad, is tarring with the same brush or racism or something

    A majority nation can support evil regimes. Its happened in history before, it'd be nice to think its just a few horrible people in power but its not always the case.

    The saudi regime is a different animal. Its a bunch of bedouin tribesmen who have basically called themselves a "royal family" and outsourced a great deal of their problems to wahhabi preachers and cult centres to deal with.
    They are a fascist dictatorship regime, so any evidence out of there is hard to come by, it being a violent suppressive regime. There is plenty of evidence of the murder and torture of those who have spoken out against it from within, much like North Korea, where we are told everyone lives under the fist of the Kim regime, and no doubt they do, but evidence to gather under such regimes as these, is difficult at best.
    The best indicator that the vast majority of people in that gulf state do not agree with the policies of the regime, is that the vast majority of the people that live there under the regime live in absolute poverty. Total poverty. if that was you and your family, would you agree with that kind of status quo? Poverty and the fear of murder through be-heading or crucifiction or worse? I f**king wouldn't, nor would you

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #65
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    ALL Muslims Who read the Koran support these terrorist scum. It's what the whole Koran is about
    The ones who publicly say they don't agree are lying. They're aloud to lie to non believers.

    Taqiyya. Google it.


  • #66
    FouxDaFaFa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Did the team definitely understand that a moment's silence was being held and the reason for the silence with the language barrier and all that?

    It just seems needlessly rude and provocative if so.


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  • #67
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I never said everyone was wealthy there, I wasnt really talking about the wealth aspect at all. But how do you know that there isn't majority support for many of the rules/laws and social customs of the nation?
    Would you have given south africa the benefit of the doubt back int he 90's and said it was simply the south african government that were racist and not the majority of citizens? Because I wouldnt have

    Not always, but far more often than not,the laws and government attitudes are extremely reflective of the attitude of the society they govern. As thats often who elects them. Obviously there are exceptions like north korea.

    You reckon the majority black population of South Africa supported apartheid? Ah, Jasis...


  • #68
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    Did the team definitely understand that a moment's silence was being held and the reason for the silence with the language barrier and all that?

    It just seems needlessly rude and provocative if so.

    Yes. Apparently pre match the Saudi FA point blank refused to take part in the silence and instructed their players not to cooperate. Despicable really. But not surprised.


  • #69
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Beechwoodspark wrote:
    Yes. Apparently pre match the Saudi FA point blank refused to take part in the silence and instructed their players not to cooperate. Despicable really. But not surprised.


    Apparently the key word there. The two players who respected it won't be murdered when they get home like.


  • #70
    Nermal
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Why expect some Saudis to pay respects for a handful of British people but not oblige Belgians to cry for a hundred kids blown up in Afghanistan or a minibus crash in Delhi? It just reinforves the idea that western lives matter more.

    They do matter more. Pick a side, pickarooney.


  • #71
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Apparently the key word there. The two players who respected it won't be murdered when they get home like.

    I think the response from their officials is despicable. fair play to any players who disobeyed the orders


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  • #72
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Beechwoodspark wrote:
    I think the response from their officials is despicable. fair play to any players who disobeyed the orders


    Any evidence of these orders at all? It seems you're refusing to believe these players and the majority of Saudis would be happy to see Christian/western countries terrorised.


  • #73
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Any evidence of these orders at all? It seems you're refusing to believe these players and the majority of Saudis would be happy to see Christian/western countries terrorised.

    I'm not refusing to believe. I could well believe it.

    As for proof, have a read of the guardian article on this. It cites an Australian journalist who reported that the Saudi FA refused to honour the minutes silence prior to the match.


  • #74
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    pickarooney wrote: »
    You reckon the majority black population of South Africa supported apartheid? Ah, Jasis...

    Even in the early 90's over 30% of white south africans voted against the apartheid being lifted. Hardly that ridiculous to think it was a majority of white south africans in favour of it in the 50/60/70's . Im sure a huge number were turned against the regime after boycotting from international countries and the sharpesvilla massacre for instance,

    It simply is not common for a counties government policies and attitude of its citizens to be completely out of touch with one another. it happens but its not common


  • #75
    WinnyThePoo
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    wakka12 wrote: »

    It simply is not common for a counties government policies and attitude of its citizens to be completely out of touch with one another. it happens but its not common

    Happens alot across the world. Throughout history and today.


  • #76
    Achasanai
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    wakka12 wrote: »

    It simply is not common for a counties government policies and attitude of its citizens to be completely out of touch with one another. it happens but its not common

    Not common, but it sure helps if it's a fascist state.


  • #77
    TOss Sweep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Not sure if you are allowed post images in After Hours but looking at the Pic at least 1 of the Saudis shows his respect. Number 7 seems to be standing still with his arms behind his back.

    http://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article35803138.ece/ca84d/AUTOCROP/w620h342/saudi.jpg


  • #78
    hatrickpatrick
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    Saudi Arabia is an absolute f*cking disgrace, and it's one of the greatest scandals of our time that the West, with all its "freedom and democracy" bullsh!t rhetoric, has not cut all diplomatic relations and sanctioned and blockaded the absolute sh!t out of every single aspect of their economy.


  • #79
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The crazy thing is that the House of Saud are a moderating influence in Arabia.

    That is not an endorsement of them, they should be on every telephone pole from Medina to Mecca but the populace are more stricter than they are and they are very Islamist themselves.


  • #80
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,068 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia is an absolute f*cking disgrace, and it's one of the greatest scandals of our time that the West, with all its "freedom and democracy" bullsh!t rhetoric, has not cut all diplomatic relations and sanctioned and blockaded the absolute sh!t out of every single aspect of their economy.

    You would have thought Britain's relationship with SA would have featured more strongly in the election.
    Clearly the British public are not ready to demand anything off their leaders yet.


  • #81
    Danzy
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    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    Did the team definitely understand that a moment's silence was being held and the reason for the silence with the language barrier and all that?

    It just seems needlessly rude and provocative if so.

    Yes it was explained and talked about way before the match.

    The Saudis had no time or interest in it.

    They have stood before, so their excuse of it not being in the culture are not washing.

    Every Friday in the Mosque, in every paper, school book, TV show there are constant references to the legitimacy of killing the disbeliever, that their lives are worthless.

    This is just another expression of it.


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  • #82
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia is an absolute f*cking disgrace, and it's one of the greatest scandals of our time that the West, with all its "freedom and democracy" bullsh!t rhetoric, has not cut all diplomatic relations and sanctioned and blockaded the absolute sh!t out of every single aspect of their economy.
    I think they are a perfect example of the hypocrisy of it all.

    Oh yes, democracy is what we must strive for, freedom for all, and of course we must do something about the violent extremists....now, if you could just sign here, mister absolute monarch, and we will deliver your weapons promptly.


  • #83
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You would have thought Britain's relationship with SA would have featured more strongly in the election.
    Clearly the British public are not ready to demand anything off their leaders yet.

    Unfortunately I think people's convenience still tends to come first - IE, paying more at the petrol pump is too high a price for doing the right thing.


  • #84
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia is an absolute f*cking disgrace, and it's one of the greatest scandals of our time that the West, with all its "freedom and democracy" bullsh!t rhetoric, has not cut all diplomatic relations and sanctioned and blockaded the absolute sh!t out of every single aspect of their economy.

    If that happened at any stage in the last 40 years, their would have been a global recession that would have rivalled the Great Depression.

    Most of the world, especially China, would never join in it, would never even consider it as an option.

    That is a thing in the West.

    There should be a massive push for renewables, alternative oil sources so that the Saudis can finally be kicked to touch.


  • #85
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    It's not just the oil. I'm sure the Saudis have enough cash and investments in the US to last 100 years if the oil went dry in the morning. The US loves to sell them weapons too.

    It's amazing Israel isn't as critical of Saudi as it is other less evil Islamic nations like Iran


  • #86
    lmimmfn
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    Well they bank roll the US so can effectively do what they want. Lovely world we live in.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • #87
    Danzy
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    The money they recycle in to the West is so significant that we'd all drop back 60 years in living standards for a generation if it cut out.

    The World is full of Kidney Patients and the man with the dialysis machine is the biggest prick around, who makes no bones about teaching people to hate everyone.


  • #88
    mikeym
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    Thinkingaboutit wrote: »
    Bad form from the Saudis. I hope there is some sort of sanction from FIFA.

    FIFA would let them host the world cup in 20 years time :D


  • #89
    mad muffin
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    It's a pity we've become such doormats…


  • #90
    Samaris
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    Ffs, Saudi Arabia. There was one guy that stood and acted respectfully. Given the Saudis relationships with the UK, not to mention military co-operation, it seems a very strange thing to do though. Not least as SA doesn't exactly go in for protests either!

    I don't buy the culture excuse, it's been done plenty of times. This was deliberate, but in the context of the image SA is trying to put across lately, it is a very weird thing to do. As well as being pretty low and disrespectful.

    Fairly soon though, it won't necessarily be a case of the West being dependent on SA oil, even if the US does its best to keep it going a bit longer.


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  • #91
    ligerdub
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    The US is now a net exporter of oil. It produces a huge amount of the stuff.


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