Lambs and minerals

Username John · 07-06-2017 12:59PM

Lambman wrote: »

Worm dosed lambs here today with zerofen lambs weren't dirty at all they looked dirtyier a few weeks ago... seem till be doing ok nothing lagging behind anyhow but might go with a cobalt oral dose at the weekend in them as I'll be shifting them then onto new grass... have a bottle off the cobalt with b12 lying here say I'll go with that instead a mixing up a batch myself... what's people's schedule this time off year for cobalting lambs? Every worm dose i guess for handyness? Or handier again bolus them although it's costly and didn't prove a great success here last year!

I dont have lambs, but if the bolus wasnt a huge success - would you be willing to try a few of em with 2 bolus?

My theory being that maybe one bolus didn't provide enough colbalt.

I know this makes it more costly again, but if you had a few bolus it might be a good experiment.

Easy for me to to talk though, when tis your lambs / money

cattle man · 07-06-2017 01:08PM

Lambman wrote: »

Worm dosed lambs here today with zerofen lambs weren't dirty at all they looked dirtyier a few weeks ago... seem till be doing ok nothing lagging behind anyhow but might go with a cobalt oral dose at the weekend in them as I'll be shifting them then onto new grass... have a bottle off the cobalt with b12 lying here say I'll go with that instead a mixing up a batch myself... what's people's schedule this time off year for cobalting lambs? Every worm dose i guess for handyness? Or handier again bolus them although it's costly and didn't prove a great success here last year!

Dosed all lambs last weekend moved to a cydectin drench this time bolused all lambs with 8 week bolus 25 cent a bullet.

Will use a new type wormer orange (startect) next dose when dung samples indicate I need to dose.

Lambman · 07-06-2017 01:17PM

Cattle man what bolus lasts 8 weeks and would ya not get that cover or very near it just oral dosing? The 2 bolus idea wouldn't work IMO because if you give 2 at the same time then they will both be breaking down at the same time so will be just releasing twice as much cobalt but for no extended period... there supposed till do lambs 6 months so giving them another at that stage will end up very costly especially when most lambs will be away or factory ready by then and anything else shouldnt be far away so wudnt need 6 months cover.... unless keeping replacements which I won't be.

Username John · 07-06-2017 01:57PM

Lambman wrote: »

Cattle man what bolus lasts 8 weeks and would ya not get that cover or very near it just oral dosing? The 2 bolus idea wouldn't work IMO because if you give 2 at the same time then they will both be breaking down at the same time so will be just releasing twice as much cobalt but for no extended period... there supposed till do lambs 6 months so giving them another at that stage will end up very costly especially when most lambs will be away or factory ready by then and anything else shouldnt be far away so wudnt need 6 months cover.... unless keeping replacements which I won't be.

The Mayo bolus are 8 weeks...

http://www.mayohealthcare.ie/product-details.php?ID=8

Used em before, wasnt impressed then - I ended up oral dosing as well. If I had lambs again, I would test with giving two of these bolus...

Thats where I was coming from with the two bolus Lambman

rangler1 · 07-06-2017 02:28PM

Username John wrote: »

The Mayo bolus are 8 weeks...

http://www.mayohealthcare.ie/product-details.php?ID=8

Used em before, wasnt impressed then - I ended up oral dosing as well. If I had lambs again, I would test with giving two of these bolus...

Thats where I was coming from with the two bolus Lambman

Be interesting to know how much cobalt their lamb bolus is supplying,
Their 12mth one seems to have a huge amount of cobalt....Up to 2mg/day

Username John · 07-06-2017 03:29PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Be interesting to know how much cobalt their lamb bolus is supplying,
Their 12mth one seems to have a huge amount of cobalt....Up to 2mg/day

I got some last year, but I'm fairly sure they are all gone - along with the box, but will have a look around tonight...

Lambman · 07-06-2017 06:43PM

Twas the mayo healthcare ones I used aswell €100 for 100 boluses think it was... could buy and mix cobalt for the next 5 years for that but was just the handyness off it made me try it out anything till make life easier... is there any other options like licks, something till put in drinking troughs, etc, that ya can get cobalt into them?

Lambman · 07-06-2017 07:04PM

Anyone use the uniblock sheep mineral bucket says it contains cobalt maybe a option post weaning?

DJ98 · 07-06-2017 07:14PM

Lambman wrote: »

Anyone use the uniblock sheep mineral bucket says it contains cobalt maybe a option post weaning?

Currently have them out with ewes and lambs and I see this are hopping off the stuff

Lambman · 07-06-2017 07:16PM

DJ98 wrote: »

Lambman wrote: »

Anyone use the uniblock sheep mineral bucket says it contains cobalt maybe a option post weaning?

Currently have them out with ewes and lambs and I see this are hopping off the stuff

Good stuff are they costly and are the sheep sore on them?

razor8 · 07-06-2017 07:17PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Be interesting to know how much cobalt their lamb bolus is supplying,
Their 12mth one seems to have a huge amount of cobalt....Up to 2mg/day

The 8 week bolus supplies 5mg per day of Cobalt Acetate so 1.25mg of elemental Cobalt. It's more than any other bolus I've seen

DJ98 · 07-06-2017 07:18PM

Lambman wrote: »

Good stuff are they costly and are the sheep sore on them?

No 13 euro for a small bucket buy lasts about a month oy small numbers here

razor8 · 07-06-2017 07:22PM

cattle man wrote: »

Dosed all lambs last weekend moved to a cydectin drench this time bolused all lambs with 8 week bolus 25 cent a bullet.

Will use a new type wormer orange (startect) next dose when dung samples indicate I need to dose.

What price is startect now. Our vet said it has dropped significantly in price this year?

Green farmer · 07-06-2017 07:24PM

Lambman wrote: »

... could buy and mix cobalt for the next 5 years for that ?

Was going to buy and mix cobalt dust here before until I read It's apparently toxic and linked to cancer if inhaled, but harmless once mixed and watered down. So thought it safer to buy it at €15 for 5 litres mixed.

Lambman · 07-06-2017 07:37PM

So €13 a month with ewes and lambs is 2 months when weaned same as the 8 week bolus... bolus is 25c per lamb so the lick would have till keep 52 lambs for 2 months till make it the same and that's not gonna happen... yea you can buy cobalt highly concentrated if your happier with that still works out alot cheaper if say... who makes startect and wats all in it?

Lambman · 07-06-2017 07:38PM

So €13 a month with ewes and lambs is 2 months when weaned same as the 8 week bolus... bolus is 25c per lamb so the lick would have till keep 52 lambs for 2 months till make it the same and that's not gonna happen... yea you can buy cobalt highly concentrated if your happier with that still works out alot cheaper if say... who makes startect and wats all in it?

cattle man · 07-06-2017 07:42PM

razor8 wrote: »

What price is startect now. Our vet said it has dropped significantly in price this year?

Didn't price yet but was told by a vet it's well back in price.
Had issues here with worms so was advised to use this mid July to allow a break from other wormers

ganmo · 07-06-2017 07:54PM

Lambman wrote: »

Anyone use the uniblock sheep mineral bucket says it contains cobalt maybe a option post weaning?

It has 80 mg/kg, if they'd eat half of what a ewe would they'd be getting 0.8mg a day

Lambman · 07-06-2017 07:59PM

ganmo wrote: »

Lambman wrote: »

Anyone use the uniblock sheep mineral bucket says it contains cobalt maybe a option post weaning?

It has 80 mg/kg, if they'd eat half of what a ewe would they'd be getting 0.8mg a day

Would be plenty unless lands very deprived off cobalt... how'd u work that out ganmo and in your calculations how long would a bucket last a lamb or 10 say for easier counting ...

Lambman · 08-06-2017 02:51PM

Bought mineral lick buckets today as i dont know how till post pictures heres the ingredients per kg 1.cobalt 60mg 2.iodine 440mg 3.selenium 32mg 4.manganese 1000mg 5.zinc oxide 3600mg 6.zinc hydrate 400mg.... what yous wreckon? There was no uniblock buckets or id off went for them if there was.

rangler1 · 08-06-2017 03:30PM

Lambman wrote: »

Bought mineral lick buckets today as i dont know how till post pictures heres the ingredients per kg 1.cobalt 60mg 2.iodine 440mg 3.selenium 32mg 4.manganese 1000mg 5.zinc oxide 3600mg 6.zinc hydrate 400mg.... what yous wreckon? There was no uniblock buckets or id off went for them if there was.

It looks to have all the important minerals, all they have to do is eat enough of it
How many kgs in the bucket
How many ewes and lambs are you putting it to

Lambman · 08-06-2017 05:28PM

Bought 8 but didn't put any in field yet there's 68 ewes and 107 lambs.... might still go with a oral drench now at weekend when moving them and keep licks for when weaning in maybe 3-4 weeks... not sure wat till do might throw in a half till get them used till it along with the drench... 4 be skimpy tho if they do take till them.

rangler1 · 08-06-2017 05:55PM

Lambman wrote: »

Bought 8 but didn't put any in field yet there's 68 ewes and 107 lambs.... might still go with a oral drench now at weekend when moving them and keep licks for when weaning in maybe 3-4 weeks... not sure wat till do might throw in a half till get them used till it along with the drench... 4 be skimpy tho if they do take till them.

Lambs are unable to store some minerals like cobalt so the drench will only last about two to three weeks at most, be best to put a couple buckets out for a week or two before weaning to train them, lambs need minerals to be working well at times of stress like weaning

Lambman · 08-06-2017 06:03PM

They were on the orf buckets so should know the craic already do no harm throwing in a few now b4 weaning allrite.. there 18kg buckets €12

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