London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

take everything · 07-06-2017 11:12AM

For once I would love to see a feminist group with real balls (i see what i did there) going after the appallingly patriarchical nature of Islam.

Really Interested · 07-06-2017 11:18AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

No but Khan is dodgy, hes not going to protect the people of London

I wonder who said this, "said it would be wrong to blame the killing on either Islam or British foreign policy." and " I have no doubt that Londoners can go about their lives in the normal way today."

Really Interested · 07-06-2017 11:24AM

take everything wrote: »

For once I would love to see a feminist group with real balls (i see what i did there) going after the appallingly patriarchical nature of Islam.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/we-cant-pick-and-choose-when-to-be-feminists-even-when-the-subject-is-islam/news-story/2c0cf25f8f6324a8de31b0e02d43adb3?nk=2e70d09dcc23b1d9aed3e4e958e73db1-1496830869

"Moderate feminists — like me — might as well call ourselves harpies and hand in our drivers’ licences if we can’t face the fact Islam treats women like ****."

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/few-feminists-dare-criticise-islam-the-ones-who-do-should-be-praised-for-their-bravery/

Will I Am Not · 07-06-2017 11:27AM

Widdershins wrote: »

I can't play it but the description you've given reminds me of that Muslim comedian who started by laughing at the way he was asked to basically be the eyes and ears in his 'community'' because he's sort of cool and approachable, then he denied there could possibly be potential Jihadists among them, and then launched into an extremely condescending lecture about how Muslims have feelings too and feel just as awful as the parents of the Manchester victims do, when their children are killed in anti ISIS air strikes, and laid it on thick about how the attacks on Britain are ''blowback.''

Now, I'm starting to see more and more Muslims come out and say they want to do what they can to tackle the poison in their midst. I have no respect for the former attitude and a lot for the latter.

Watched this last night. Starting to see a lot more of this kind of stuff lately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjJEHzlV7w

Last few lines are refreshing to hear.

"All the nations progress if they criticise their history.
We do nothing but glorify our history, this is inconceivable.
Our present is so wretched because we live in this lethal duplicity."

07-06-2017 11:30AM

Have a look at Tommys latest video

It's the outright denial that's so worrying here

Widdershins · 07-06-2017 11:33AM

take everything wrote: »

For once I would love to see a feminist group with real balls (i see what i did there) going after the appallingly patriarchical nature of Islam.

I don't know of any groups but I know of individuals. Most of them are Muslim women. Of course there's the YPG too!
And Julie Lenarz who is, as far as I'm concerned, a classic feminist who makes no bones about these issues.

Widdershins · 07-06-2017 11:35AM

Really Interested wrote: »

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/we-cant-pick-and-choose-when-to-be-feminists-even-when-the-subject-is-islam/news-story/2c0cf25f8f6324a8de31b0e02d43adb3?nk=2e70d09dcc23b1d9aed3e4e958e73db1-1496830869

"Moderate feminists — like me — might as well call ourselves harpies and hand in our drivers’ licences if we can’t face the fact Islam treats women like ****."

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/few-feminists-dare-criticise-islam-the-ones-who-do-should-be-praised-for-their-bravery/

The Telegraph's behind a paywall. The Spectator's seen as somewhat right wing but they do have some decent writers and the balls to address this stuff.

Help!!!! · 07-06-2017 11:37AM

take everything wrote: »

Just watching something like this on YouTube and it just strikes me as off.

The guy on the right shaking his head vigorously disagreeing that the Muslim community need to do anything in response to these attacks.
I know if I was the same religion as people killing others in the name of my religion I'd at least be embarrassed. He seems bullish and proud.

Very little about the plight of the victims and their families. All about how it might impact the Muslim community. A bit insensitive.

Your one on the left basically saying something about love fights hate or something similarly college-campus platitudinous (a weird combination of femininity, Islam and leftism).

And plonked (self-consciously and defiantly so) in the middle a comically* dressed burkha-clad woman (presumably a woman, given it's a burkha) with trendy glasses.

And she's got love (with what seems to be a grenade for the "o") emblazoned on her front.

Taqiya (or whatever it's called) how are ya.
I dunno, if I didn't know better I'd say they were having a laugh.

*i'm risking admitting finding humour in a burkha clad woman may be a "hate crime!". **** it I lolled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyBpZGU1gb0

Look from 4:50 check out the big bald headed guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffRiUQPgDYo

Help!!!! · 07-06-2017 11:39AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Have a look at Tommys latest video

It's the outright denial that's so worrying here

A poster had a go about not wanting to believe a " football hooligan " & what he was saying about the speakers was wrong:rolleyes:

ligerdub · 07-06-2017 11:49AM

pangbang wrote: »

Just HOW did that relationship get started?!

Tinder probably

Help!!!! · 07-06-2017 11:52AM

If there were more like Imam Tawhidi Islam would not have these problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bea2kg7vXRc

TommyKnocker · 07-06-2017 11:57AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Plus the London attacker displayed ISIS flag in a Public Park.

But hey that should not alarm anyone like. Would never have guessed they would attack.

Not trying to excuse this killer and I may be wrong, but in that video the flag looks like the Shahada (Islamic declaration of faith and one of the 5 tenets of Islam) written in white on a black background and not the "Daesh/IS" flag. There is nothing sinister in and of itself of the Shahada written on a flag, just the MSM hype that it appears would try to link any Arabic script written in white on a black background to Daesh/IS.

Will I Am Not · 07-06-2017 12:01PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

A poster had a go about not wanting to believe a " football hooligan " & what he was saying about the speakers was wrong:rolleyes:

TR tends to make mountains out of molehills just to get an extra few videos out there. He likes the publicity but I do believe it's all borne out of genuine concern from his experiences growing up.

It's easy to label someone when you have never had to put up with what they have. That's why I would be more inclined to take onboard what he is saying over someone who came from a middle class background just screaming racist every time he opens his mouth.

07-06-2017 12:17PM

take everything wrote: »

For once I would love to see a feminist group with real balls (i see what i did there) going after the appallingly patriarchical nature of Islam.

Dawkins got a lot of flak for suggesting that Islam needs a feminist revolution. Mostly from feminists.

ligerdub · 07-06-2017 12:31PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Politifact have covered Trump's comment about Sadiq Khan and found it to be untrue.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jun/04/donald-trump/donald-trumps-tweet-misleads-about-london-mayors-r/

A website that I'm sure is entirely unbiased and balanced about President Trump!!

"The London mayor did use those words in a morning-after news conference about the van and stabbing rampage. But in no way, shape or form did Khan say them about the terrorist attack." Pedantic Pats!!

Sounds to me like Trump was correct there.

Really Interested · 07-06-2017 12:43PM

ligerdub wrote: »

A website that I'm sure is entirely unbiased and balanced about President Trump!!

"The London mayor did use those words in a morning-after news conference about the van and stabbing rampage. But in no way, shape or form did Khan say them about the terrorist attack." Pedantic Pats!!

Sounds to me like Trump was correct there.

Was it wrong to say "it would be wrong to blame the killing on either Islam or British foreign policy." and after a terror attack "I have no doubt that Londoners can go about their lives in the normal way today."

ChikiChiki · 07-06-2017 12:45PM

I look at the news and see a long list of different attacks by Isis in the past few days from the Philipines up to London. I can't see this getting any better. A war of civilisations is brewing. Its grim.

Stop the world and let me off.

Really Interested · 07-06-2017 12:48PM

London has suffered a lot of terror attacks a full list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London

K.Flyer · 07-06-2017 12:51PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I look at the news and see a long list of different attacks by Isis in the past few days from the Philipines up to London. I can't see this getting any better. A war of civilisations is brewing. Its grim.

Stop the world and throw them off.

F.Y.P. for you.

Gamebred · 07-06-2017 12:57PM

Vigilantism will become a real thing soon enough in the UK, one or 2 more attacks and there will sectarian bloodshed without a doubt if the Police arent seen to control these known isis tramps.

K.Flyer · 07-06-2017 01:02PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Vigilantism will become a real thing soon enough in the UK, one or 2 more attacks and there will sectarian bloodshed without a doubt if the Police arent seen to control these known isis tramps.

It may not take one or two more for things to kick off, a Mosque in Galway had windows put in, in what is believed to be retaliation for London and Manchester.

Help!!!! · 07-06-2017 01:03PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Vigilantism will become a real thing soon enough in the UK, one or 2 more attacks and there will sectarian bloodshed without a doubt if the Police arent seen to control these known isis tramps.

Its not just the terrorism. All the child sex grooming cases have come out, the gang rape of 16 year old in a fast food business, the gang rape of a mother in Sunderland
Tommy Robinson has been speaking out about it for years, get called a racist/bigot
The Sikh community set up the Sikh Awareness Society back in the late 90s because of the grooming of their children by Muslim groups & have spoke out about the problems in the Muslim community but have been ignored

07-06-2017 01:10PM

ISIS getting even more desperate (or Brave/stupid/crazy), Iran is already quite a hardline Islamic state

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40184641
Twin attacks on the Iranian parliament and Ayatollah Khomeini's mausoleum in the capital, Tehran, have killed at least 12 people and injured many more.

The assault on the parliament building appears to be over, after hours of intermittent, audible gunfire there. A suicide bomber died at the mausoleum.

Iranian officials say they managed to foil a third attack.

The so-called Islamic State group (IS) has claimed it carried out the attacks, which would be a first in Iran.

If they can organise attacks in Iran, they can do it anywhere, which begs the question "where next?"

rossie1977 · 07-06-2017 01:21PM

Iran is a Shia state so like Iraq stands for everything IS hate.

ligerdub wrote: »

A website that I'm sure is entirely unbiased and balanced about President Trump!!

"The London mayor did use those words in a morning-after news conference about the van and stabbing rampage. But in no way, shape or form did Khan say them about the terrorist attack." Pedantic Pats!!

Sounds to me like Trump was correct there.

No he wasn't. He took what the mayor said completely out of context. The mayor was trying to assure the people of London that his team and the police had the situation under control.

Trump shouldn't be making the comment in the first place. Imagine a western leader criticizing Giuliani in the hours after 9/11. Trump doesn't even have important defense and intelligence jobs in his own cabinet filled and he finds time to critique the mayor of a city that treats dealing with terror one of its top priorities.

Gamebred wrote: »

Vigilantism will become a real thing soon enough in the UK, one or 2 more attacks and there will sectarian bloodshed without a doubt if the Police arent seen to control these known isis tramps.

If we get wall to wall coverage on tv yes more people will be radicalised for sure on both sides.

Gamebred · 07-06-2017 01:26PM

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/872428877557243905

That didnt take long.

07-06-2017 01:31PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Iran is a Shia state so like Iraq stands for everything IS hate.

True, but I'm surprised they were mad enough to start another conflict when they're already losing on all the other fronts. This action is quite likely to speed up their elimination in Syria. Hopefully it will start to expose their backers in other ME countries, There may be an embassy or two in London that will be closed down soon as a result of this.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 07-06-2017 01:40PM

Another death has been confirmed following the attack on London bridge, bringing the total so far to 8 innocent souls. I didn't even realise a person was missing having been knocked into the river, I presumed this was a mix up to do with the coroners inquest.

take everything · 07-06-2017 01:41PM

Really Interested wrote: »

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/we-cant-pick-and-choose-when-to-be-feminists-even-when-the-subject-is-islam/news-story/2c0cf25f8f6324a8de31b0e02d43adb3?nk=2e70d09dcc23b1d9aed3e4e958e73db1-1496830869

"Moderate feminists ? like me ? might as well call ourselves harpies and hand in our drivers? licences if we can?t face the fact Islam treats women like ****."

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/few-feminists-dare-criticise-islam-the-ones-who-do-should-be-praised-for-their-bravery/

Yeah with the Telegraph and Spectator it would be predictable enough.
But the likes of the Left Leaning broadsheets/media.

Guardian feminist writers. Have they heavily criticised (I'm talking proper excoriation) the religion that is most patriarchical and oppressive of women- Islam.

Or Left leaning online organs. Huffington post etc.

Maybe they have but I never see it. I would love to if it's out there.

Edit:
In fairness here's a bit by a Muslim woman writing for the Guardian (Susan Carland). She calls out Western feminism and the Muslim patriarchy in it. Fair play.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/07/if-you-want-to-know-about-muslim-womens-rights-ask-muslim-women

I'll see if I can find something by a Western feminist.

Edit 2:
And just underneath it in my search a link to this article by Guardian writer Laurie Penny who insists that calling out Muslim patriarchy isn't feminist but more.about white males having a go at Islam.
I suppose she'd know being a Muslim woman like the woman above... Oh wait.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/22/this-isnt-feminism-its-islamophobia

07-06-2017 01:49PM

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/872428877557243905

That didnt take long.

Seriously

Christy42 · 07-06-2017 01:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

True, but I'm surprised they were mad enough to start another conflict when they're already losing on all the other fronts. This action is quite likely to speed up their elimination in Syria. Hopefully it will start to expose their backers in other ME countries, There may be an embassy or two in London that will be closed down soon as a result of this.

Expose? We know the backers. Most world leaders are friends with them (I think we would be if we could as well). Our intellegence services are good enough to know who is funding what for the most part at this stage.

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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