12 years for ex-shinner

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF didn't see the IRA as 'terrorists'. There are a few people who need to get over that fact.

That's exactly the point. Every other party and throughout civic society, they were roundly regarded as terrorists.

That's what sets SF apart.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The implication being that anyone who sees the use of the term 'terrorist' as simplistic is un-civic?
All armies use terror, all armies are therefore 'terrorist'.

You, and SF, could be right* that the IRA weren't terrorists and all other parties and civic society are wrong about them.
But the point stands that that sets SF apart.


(* you aren't)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Apart' for what though...parties born from exactly the same circumstances?

Time to get over the fact we had a conflict/war here maybe?

'Apart' from everybody except SF.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Time to get over the fact we had a conflict/war here maybe?

Tell that to the maimed and bereaved.

feargale wrote: »

Tell that to the maimed and bereaved.

They are the reason you should get over the fact that the conflict/war is over.
Not all the bereaved blame one side only, not all were bereaved by one side.
But carry on taking it out on one side.

LordSutch wrote: »

Planting bombs in pubs, clubs, buses & trains, in shops & cars which kill & maim people can only be called Terrorism, there is no other word for it. Shooting off duty policemen, knee capping young lads & strapping people into vehicles loaded with semtex 'on a one way journey' to hell is also terrorism.
Armed Bank robberies (North & South), post office raids, killing Gardai, torture, blackmail, smuggling, gun running, kidnappings & extortion, money laundering - Making people disappear -

And all in the name of a "United" Ireland

Of course it was Terrorism, but did it hasted the Unity of the island, or delay it?

The conflict/war like all conflict/wars was about terror. Correct.

Armies, from the design of their uniforms to their display of weaponry are for inspiring terror.

Ask anyone in the middle east.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the "war" may be over but its effects are still being felt. I'm sure SF would like us all to quietly forget about it. I can guarantee you that we wont.

You think some of those most affected by the conflict/war want to 'forget' it.


Brilliant.

You probably come from the demographic who ignored what was going on in the first place and who now only wants to remember and recriminate the actions of one side. Soooo predictable.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

SF are quite keen for us to forget their links with terrorism. thankfully people have long memories.

They keep the same leaders they had right through the conflict even though that gives every lazy assed journalist and politician, and internet warrior the oppurtunity to endlessly and pointlessly have a pop and they are 'keen for us to forget'.

You are the gift that keeps giving (or maybe you are as usual just irrationally suiting yourself)...carry on. :rolleyes:

They have both been removed from the Republican landing in Portlaoise tonight.

Persephone kindness wrote:

Is that to do with this BS?

No. It's to do with the nature of their convictions and who they are associated with I imagine.

Phoebas wrote: »

That's exactly the point. Every other party and throughout civic society, they were roundly regarded as terrorists.

That's what sets SF apart.

I didn't regard them as terrorists. No doubt they did some horrible things but so has every belligrent force in every major war.

The British Army carried out the Falls massacre, the Pitchfork killings, Ballymurphy massacre, Newry bank killings, Bloody Sunday, The murder of Eamon McDevvit, a deaf & dumb mute,the Springhill massacre, the New lodge Six killings, Dunloy, 14 civilians were killed during the Lenadoon avenue battles.....
Then there was the shoot-to-kill policy killings, The Military Reaction force (MRF), the Stalker shootings, Kesh ambush, Gransha hospital, Loughgall, Gibraltar, Drummnakilley, Coagh, Clonoe....
Then all the Loyalist massacres & activity they've been accussed of helping or directing, Dublin 1972, Dublin & Monaghan, The Littlejohn brothers, Dublin airport bombing, Belturbet, Kays Tavern, Pat finucane, Milltown, Avenue bar shooting, Cappagh, Sean Grahams & James murray's bookmakers, Loughinisland, Conway's bar, Miami Showband, well i'd just be here all day.

If this was any other organization they'd be accused of terroism. And thats just peanuts to the stuff they did in places like Kenya, India & other former imperial properties. Dublin even managed to grow a pair of balls to bring them to the European court of human rights for torturing internees.

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I didn't regard them as terrorists.

And that sets you apart - the vast majority of parties, civic society organisations and people did and do regard them as terrorists.

You seem to have a very fluid view of what is and what isn't terrorism, but I guess that's part and parcel or being an IRA sympathiser.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So can we agree both were horrible murdering terrorists so?

If you want be consistent in your outrage I think you have to.