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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #2162
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So is no one going to tell me why they think the bombing campaigns have nothing to do with this?

    Well because ISIS have clearly stated religion is their reason for doing this, maybe


  • #2163
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    ISIS say theyre doing for religious reasons. Their soldiers shout this for allah before carrying out attacks
    Yet you continue to believe you know better why these people are carrying out atrocities . How do you know more than them about their own actions?

    Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.


  • #2164
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Jeez the UK have some complete idiots, housing a potential terrorist around the corner from a school

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xYdUJeGWbM


  • #2165
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.
    can someone tell me why you think you know better the reasons behind why theyre carrying out their attacks than the people carrying out the attacks


  • #2166
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    All the evidence pointing that way.


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  • #2167
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever were you in London during the attack??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4hsTSY1JE


  • #2168
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Isis didn't exist until long after the bombing campaigns. I.E. the bombing campaigns are the root cause.

    I get the sense you think Islamic extremism and violence only popped into existence in the last 10 years or so. Mohammed was slaughtering non believers in the ME hundreds of years before the Crusades were even conceived. I know you're in too deep with your "it's not religiously motivated" argument to back out now but learn some history and listen to ISIS who themselves say it's pretty religiously motivated.


  • #2169
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    So I've answered every question, multiple times on many occasions but not one person can answer why they think the killing of innocent Muslims by the West has nothing to do with radical Muslims killing people in the west.


  • #2170
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    & why would we be attacked??

    While we may be at a somewhat perceived lower risk, we as a nation are essentially everything that these radicals Hate.
    We are predominantly Christian, we advocate Gay and Lesbian relationships and marriage, we have a casual attitude towards drinking alcohol, drugs and sex, schools of mixed gender, laws granting equality amongst genders and we have close ties with both America and Britain.
    If someone does decide to carry out a similar attack to what we have seen in the U.K. over the last few weeks, the probability is that they may actually get away before being caught due to our low number of Garda, particularly armed, on the streets.
    But I think the likelihood of a similar attack in Ireland is low, ironically because of the low numbers of armed Garda on patrol.
    These nutjobs want to be killed while doing this. It is the greatest honour for them to die while killing others in the name of jihad.
    An Garda and First Responders services here have publicly said that they have little to no training to respond to anything like what has happened in the U.K., so if it does happen, it could be carnage and chaos on a big scale.


  • #2171
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Isis didn't exist until long after the bombing campaigns. I.E. the bombing campaigns are the root cause.

    Then care to explain al-qaeda ?

    You know the guys that flew airplanes full of passengers into buildings in New York and Washington.

    According to published extracts from a high ranking al-qaeda member, Saif al-Adel's document "Al Qaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020", the ultimate aim is to destroy the US and the West and establish a Wahhabi Caliphate across the world.

    Care to explain Boko Haram and how abducting young girls as rape victims was going to stop the Wests bombing campaign in the Middle East?

    Care to explain how the Jemaah Islamiyah group that killed 202 people (including 88 Australians, 38 Indonesians, and people from more than 20 other nationalities) in Bali in 2002 was helping stop Western bombing in Iraq and Syria ?
    Remind me again when Iraq was invaded ?

    Or maybe it had something to do with fact that Australia had helped liberate East Timor from muslim occupation and slaughter for 25 years ?
    BTW osama bin laden admitted that in a tape.

    Perhaps you can tell us how al-Shabaab's attack on the Westgate mall in Kenya was helping to stop the West's bombing in the Middle East.

    I have to nominate you for todays Nodin Award.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • #2172
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So I've answered every question, multiple times on many occasions but not one person can answer why they think the killing of innocent Muslims by the West has nothing to do with radical Muslims killing people in the west.

    Look it hasn't helped but terrorist attacks were going to happen at some stage in the west. All because of the Quran & what it says about killing infidels

    Watch this video & see what kids get taught in schools

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBExvdC8RP4


  • #2173
    Bushmanpm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Bushmanpm


    neverever1 wrote:
    So I've answered every question, multiple times on many occasions but not one person can answer why they think the killing of innocent Muslims by the West has nothing to do with radical Muslims killing people in the west.

    You forgot
    "something something Brits & Americans something"


  • #2174
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No, don't support bombing campaigns that kill thousands of innocents. I think that's a good policy.

    If were to take it as a given that we could never support a bombing campaign, or more broadly, a war that killed thousands of innocents-all other considerations disregarded-then the West would have lost the war against the Nazis.


  • #2175
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    jmayo wrote: »
    Then care to explain al-qaeda ?

    You know the guys that flew airplanes full of passengers into buildings in New York and Washington.

    According to published extracts from a high ranking al-qaeda member, Saif al-Adel's document "Al Qaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020", the ultimate aim is to destroy the US and the West and establish a Wahhabi Caliphate across the world.

    Care to explain Boko Haram and how abducting young girls as rape victims was going to stop the Wests bombing campaign in the Middle East?

    Care to explain how the Jemaah Islamiyah group that killed 202 people (including 88 Australians, 38 Indonesians, and people from more than 20 other nationalities) in Bali in 2002 was helping stop Western bombing in Iraq and Syria ?
    Remind me again when Iraq was invaded ?

    Or maybe it had something to do with fact that Australia had helped liberate East Timor from muslim occupation and slaughter for 25 years ?
    BTW osama bin laden admitted that in a tape.

    Perhaps you can tell us how al-Shabaab's attack on the Westgate mall in Kenya was helping to stop the West's bombing in the Middle East.

    I have to nominate you for todays Nodin Award.

    The bombing campaign goes back a lot further than Al qaeda also. :rolleyes:

    The rest can be explained by these being a bunch of crazy murdering bastards. Doesn't change the fact to how they have expanded to such large levels though.


  • #2176
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So I've answered every question, multiple times on many occasions but not one person can answer why they think the killing of innocent Muslims by the West has nothing to do with radical Muslims killing people in the west.

    I think it would make logical sense that a terrorist group would begin terror attacks on western soil in response to that. But ISIS said they are doing this for religious purposes and their goal is to create a caliphate, not to stop western bombing of civilians.
    So thats why I don't think that the western bomings are the root cause of ISIS> Because they themselves literally said otherwise

    And I also think it makes no sense that people who join a group like ISIS, who are terrorising the middle east, if the persons initial reason for joining a terror group was because they were upset about how western bombers were destroying the middl east.
    Makes absolutely zero sense.


  • #2177
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Look it hasn't helped but terrorist attacks were going to happen at some stage in the west. All because of the Quran & what it says about killing infidels

    Watch this video & see what kids get taught in schools

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBExvdC8RP4

    It hasn't helped? That's it? These groups would be tiny without it.


  • #2178
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Bushmanpm wrote: »
    You forgot
    "something something Brits & Americans something"

    Can't answer the question?


  • #2179
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It hasn't helped? That's it? These groups would be tiny without it.

    You simply cannot know that thats true


  • #2180
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Maybe because they're a crazy bunch of murdering bastards? This doesn't change the fact that they have so much support and so many followers because of Middle Eastern countries being flattened for a century. How can you continue to ignore this?

    So ISIS went about wiping the Yazidis out because the Brits were bombing somewhere for centuries.

    You actually dont really have a clue do you...?


  • #2181
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No, the attacks in the West are because of Muslims killed by the West.

    One more time. Were'nt Shias killed in the Bush invasion? Didn't a Shia militia called the Mehdi army wage war on the American and British occupiers?
    neverever1 wrote: »
    I could accuse you of trolling! You can't radicalise people using a stupid book! Without the bombing campaigns these clerics would have nothing.

    Mein Kampf. The Communist Manifesto. Das Kapital. What is to be done (Lenin)? The Old Testament. The Little Red Book. Milestones (Sayid Qutb)
    neverever1 wrote: »
    Maybe because they're a crazy bunch of murdering bastards? This doesn't change the fact that they have so much support and so many followers because of Middle Eastern countries being flattened for a century. How can you continue to ignore this?

    For a century? Then why were't british Muslims killing people on London bridge in 1923?


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  • #2182
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Can someone actually tell me how they think that the decades of bombing campaigns by America/Britain have nothing to do with this and it's all about a book.

    Who said it has "nothing" to do with it?


  • #2183
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    The bombing campaign goes back a lot further than Al qaeda also. :rolleyes:

    The rest can be explained by these being a bunch of crazy murdering bastards. Doesn't change the fact to how they have expanded to such large levels though.

    You do realise Al qaeda were around before the Iraq war??


  • #2184
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    If were to take it as a given that we could never support a bombing campaign, or more broadly, a war that killed thousands of innocents-all other considerations disregarded-then the West would have lost the war against the Nazis.

    Finally, somebody who gets it.

    I was talking about Ireland. We shouldn't support any war mongers be they nazis, British, Muslim etc. We should oppose their murderous affairs and show support only for the innocent victims.


  • #2185
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    So ISIS went about wiping the Yazidis out because the Brits were bombing somewhere for centuries.

    You actually dont really have a clue do you...?

    I don't know if you're purposely ignoring what I'm saying or what. Isis or groups like it would exist anyway, I have little doubt in that. They'd have no support and would be tiny without the bombings however.


  • #2186
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    One more time. Were'nt Shias killed in the Bush invasion? Didn't a Shia militia called the Mehdi army wage war on the American and British occupiers.

    Please stop pretending this started just over a decade ago.


  • #2187
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    ONE of the London Bridge terrorists pictured wearing an Arsenal shirt had featured in a documentary on radicalisation and had been the subject of a warning to police, it has been revealed.



    Police have not yet published the names of the London terror attackers although 11 people including seven women were arrested on Sunday.


    One of the men pictured at the scene of Saturday's night carnage wearing an Arsenal football shirt and walking through the market has been identified by locals as a "family man" who once appeared in a Channel 4 documentary
    "The Jihadi Next Door".
    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/london-attacker-featured-in-tv-documentary-the-jihadi-next-door/news-story/4ef1d5ce05348e8b3c650844675c0d84

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #2188
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Who said it has "nothing" to do with it?

    Well you tell me, how much of an influence has it had?


  • #2189
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    You do realise Al qaeda were around before the Iraq war??

    And so was the bombing campaigns in the Middle East by the West.


  • #2190
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So I've answered every question, multiple times on many occasions but not one person can answer why they think the killing of innocent Muslims by the West has nothing to do with radical Muslims killing people in the west.

    Unless we're reading two different threads here, you've been repeatedly and patiently answered.


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  • #2191
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Didn't the Russian's bomb and even occupy Afghanistan for nine years?

    Why aren't they been attacked in revenge?

    And oh ya about two million Afghan civilians were killed, you'd think ISIS would be furious.


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