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Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

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  • #92
    borderlinemeath
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    micar wrote: »
    The poor woman. RIP

    Have never seen the fascination with these types of dogs......purely status dogs.

    Am happy out with the golden cocker spaniel and the red setter we have within the family.

    I know a good few aggressive golden cocker spaniels. I'd say out of 10-12 or so I've met, there's only one that I would consider to have a good temperament. Moreso than any other colour, because of course the goldens are the most popular and a puppy farm favourite and there's nervousness bred into a lot of the lines that I seem to meet. Resource guarding is another problem I see with them, again stemming from nervousness - which is a trait which is very easily passed down from mother to pup.

    Setters, I've never met an aggressive one, I have 3 myself, but that's not to say they don't exist.

    Moral of the story is, don't trust any dog, or any breed, I'm meeting more and more bichons that are uncomfortable with strangers - a favourite go to breed for families with young children.


  • #93
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Aren't golden cocker spaniels renowned for being a really narky breed?


  • #94
    bilbot79
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Do you know a lab is almost twice the weight of a pitbull?
    When a pitbull gets into a fight if you break their concentration its over. When a lab starts fighting they don't stop until they are done.
    I'd rather break up 2 pitbulls fighting than 2 labs any day!.

    Absolute horsepoo.


  • #95
    PucaMama
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    bilbot79 wrote: »
    D3V!L wrote: »
    So are golden labs, they're responsible for more attacks on family members than any other dogs. Strangely they don't get any bad press.

    I have an Am-staff cross and he's the most pleasant dog you could come across.

    All dogs are pleasant to their own pack and some are often vicious to people outside of the pack. Usually it's pit bulls or something similar that do this and they unfortunately always defended by owners of similar animals who can safely swear that their own pit bull has a lovely gentle nature. Don't believe the bull, it's an attack dog. Owning one, revering the breed, in my view is negligent.
    Very very few breeds out there are natural "attack dogs" but sure all of you having a fit over pit bulls haven't a clue anyway.


  • #96
    PucaMama
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    xzanti wrote: »
    I know a guy who has a pit-bull. This guy is HUGE himself and he said the only way to open it's jaws if it attacks, is to stick his finger up the dogs ass.

    I kid you not.

    Apparently he had to put this into practice one day when it attacked someone else's dog.

    Condolences to the poor woman's family. Very sad.
    Don't go molesting dogs. There are other ways to break up fights without getting bitten for sticking ur finger in it.


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  • #97
    freshpopcorn
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Do you know a lab is almost twice the weight of a pitbull?
    When a pitbull gets into a fight if you break their concentration its over. When a lab starts fighting they don't stop until they are done.
    I'd rather break up 2 pitbulls fighting than 2 labs any day!.

    I'd be focusing more on the bite. The force of the pit bulls bite is a lot greater than the Labradors from the research I've done.


  • #98
    NIMAN
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    I have 3 young kids and won't have any dog in the house. Any.

    Any dog is liable to bite, its not worth the risk.

    When I was growing up, we had a toy poodle, a vicious little thing. Had bit me, the rest of my family and most of my friends at some point before he was shifted out.


  • #99
    MyStubbleItches
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    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Labs were used by the Nazis in the camps more than any other breed: unbelievably vicious when encouraged to be.

    Incredibly irresponsible post. Labs, nazis, vicious. Nothing positive to say about labs? Just don't post so.


  • #100
    McCrack
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    dreamers75 wrote: »
    You wouldn't know in this country, some dude killed his kid last week but hasn't been charged and doesn't look like he is going to be.

    That is a disgusting thing to say or suggest.

    You know well it was human error with the worst possible outcome for himself and his family and to suggest he should be criminally charged is disgusting.


  • #101
    PucaMama
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    MyStubbleItches wrote: »
    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Labs were used by the Nazis in the camps more than any other breed: unbelievably vicious when encouraged to be.

    Incredibly irresponsible post. Labs, nazis, vicious. Nothing positive to say about labs? Just don't post so.
    Could say the same for the ones giving out about pit bulls. Nothing nice to say? Off you go.


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  • #102
    PucaMama
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I have 3 young kids and won't have any dog in the house. Any.

    Any dog is liable to bite, its not worth the risk.

    When I was growing up, we had a toy poodle, a vicious little thing. Had bit me, the rest of my family and most of my friends at some point before he was shifted out.
    Looks like a dog payed the price for being in an unsuitable home. Lots of small dogs don't suit children.


  • #103
    MyStubbleItches
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I have 3 young kids and won't have any dog in the house. Any.

    Any dog is liable to bite, its not worth the risk.

    When I was growing up, we had a toy poodle, a vicious little thing. Had bit me, the rest of my family and most of my friends at some point before he was shifted out.

    This. Any dog can bite at any time. I'm a dog owner and dog lover but I would never, ever trust one to act like I'd like to think it would act. We humans think we know what domesticated animals are thinking. We don't.


  • #104
    bilbot79
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    Very very few breeds out there are natural "attack dogs" but sure all of you having a fit over pit bulls haven't a clue anyway.

    In France they are classed as an attack dog while a German shepherd is classed as a guard dog.

    They are definitely bought for their tough image too I think. I only ever see the aggressive breeds with aggressive looking people funny enough. Poor woman. What a horrible way to go.


  • #105
    Tigger
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Terrible news, I'll get slatted for this opinion but I know people with large dogs such as pit bulls(bull mastiffs in this case) and they can often have difficulty controlling them. The reply you always get is your more likely to get bitten by a Jack Russell.The difference in my opinion is if a Jack Russell bits you you can lift them but the strength that some pit bulls/Rottweiler is unreal.

    Yeah well I recently had to pick up my muzzeled bull terrier cos some clown's jack Russel was biting her
    If I was a dick I'd have kicked it but I like dogs so I didn't
    The owner is lucky that her uncontrollable jacknrussel didn't meet me walking my lab cos he'd have eaten it


  • #106
    PucaMama
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    bilbot79 wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Very very few breeds out there are natural "attack dogs" but sure all of you having a fit over pit bulls haven't a clue anyway.

    In France they are classed as an attack dog while a German shepherd is classed as a guard dog.

    They are definitely bought for their tough image too I think. I only ever see the aggressive breeds with aggressive looking people funny enough. Poor woman. What a horrible way to go.
    You are in Ireland though not France.

    Also that's what you notice because it's what you want to see.


  • #107
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    We have a bull mastiff.She's a complete eeijit and a really nice dog. Although when she was younger she was a little difficult with our other dogs (as she lived alone with my sister) now that we've had her for 4 years with our other dogs she is well socialised and is a fun happy dog.Almost every single large dog can be dangerous because they can be very strong and bull mastiff are very strong dogs.

    Almost every single case of these types of attacks you see the dogs have been mistreated and not properly used to people.It's almost always the owners fault.

    To add on to my earlier post the reason we actually have the bull mastiff is that my sisters boyfriend at the time (ex - boyfriend now thankfully) wanted to have this dog so he could step around town like a real hard man. He was exactly the kind of person that should have this type of dog and the type that seems to be attracted to bull mastiffs and pit bulls.Had we not adopted her I'd imagine she'd had ended up being a dangerous type of dog.To be truthfully honest I'd prefer if we didn't have her as even though she's a lovely dog but she is seriously strong and reading this story sent a chill down my spine.


  • #108
    NIMAN
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    What makes people pick a potentially dangerous dog, be it an alsation, pit bull, mastiff etc, as a pet?

    Why not another breed, why specifically one that has a bad reputation and history?


  • #109
    Guffy
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    Armchair Andy wrote: »
    Have the 2 dogs been shot?

    I believe there was a shot gun involved on the scene. Not sure if the dogs were hit but there was one discharged.


  • #110
    Collie D
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    Ninjavampire wrote: »
    These type of tragedies always bring in the dog defenders blaming the owners straight away. It's like buying automatic rifles in walmart, people go on that they aren't dangerous, just the nut jobs who use them to shoot innocent people.

    Difference is that all guns can kill whereas most dogs can't. A small handgun or an AK47 can both do the same job. Both would make me **** myself if pointed at me and both would put me in a grave.

    If confronted with a corgi and a mastiff I'd know which one I would fancy my chances of walking away from after a swift boot up the hole.

    I own a half corgi/half something for the sake of openness


  • #111
    [Deleted User]
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    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    It has zero relevance to this situation though, as dogs aren't required to be muzzled when they're on their own property. There's badly socialised dogs left languishing in gardens all over the country that would probably display aggressive tendencies if approached by a stranger, but as they're on their own property they're not breaking any laws.

    My post referred to times when they are out in public areas. When I rarely see these dogs on a leash, and never muzzled. If you don't think there are any lessons whatsoever to be learned, on the basis that this death happened on private property, fair enough.

    Maybe the lesson to be learned is that the control of dogs legislation should extend to private property?


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  • #112
    McCrack
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    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    I know a good few aggressive golden cocker spaniels. I'd say out of 10-12 or so I've met, there's only one that I would consider to have a good temperament. Moreso than any other colour, because of course the goldens are the most popular and a puppy farm favourite and there's nervousness bred into a lot of the lines that I seem to meet. Resource guarding is another problem I see with them, again stemming from nervousness - which is a trait which is very easily passed down from mother to pup.

    Setters, I've never met an aggressive one, I have 3 myself, but that's not to say they don't exist.

    Moral of the story is, don't trust any dog, or any breed, I'm meeting more and more bichons that are uncomfortable with strangers - a favourite go to breed for families with young children.

    I had a golden cocker and he was given as much love and care as he could get and as a consequence he was of calm temper, docile and loving back not only to us as a family but anyone he met in or outside the home.

    He was so trusted and loving you could literally take a bone from his mouth and he would not snap.

    So really I believe all dogs that are properly treated and socialised from an early age are perfectly good and safe animals.


  • #113
    PucaMama
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    What makes people pick a potentially dangerous dog, be it an alsation, pit bull, mastiff etc, as a pet?

    Why not another breed, why specifically one that has a bad reputation and history?
    Because they want to? They can educate themselves and recognise the bull**** said about most dogs?

    Do you have the same thoughts about people who use motorbikes instead of cars??


  • #114
    MyStubbleItches
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    Could say the same for the ones giving out about pit bulls. Nothing nice to say? Off you go.

    Were pit bulls mentioned in that context? I haven't read the whole thread, apologies. Dogs were bred for human desires, long before any of us were around. I don't blame the dog. A pit bull doesn't know it's called a pit bull or WHY it's called a pit bull.

    As for the 'off you go'? Are you one of those scrotes with a mistreated dog walking the streets intimidating people? You don't agree with me, then engage in debate, telling me to trot on reeks of unintelligence and, more comedic, a knowledge of your lack of.


  • #115
    [Deleted User]
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Difference is that all guns can kill whereas most dogs can't. A small handgun or an AK47 can both do the same job. Both would make me **** myself if pointed at me and both would put me in a grave.

    If confronted with a corgi and a mastiff I'd know which one I would fancy my chances of walking away from after a swift boot up the hole.

    I own a half corgi/half something for the sake of openness

    I presume every dog listed in the legislation here for muzzling etc. when in public areas can kill.


  • #116
    Your Face
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    RIP.
    Horrible


  • #117
    PucaMama
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    MyStubbleItches wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Could say the same for the ones giving out about pit bulls. Nothing nice to say? Off you go.

    Were pit bulls mentioned in that context? I haven't read the whole thread, apologies. Dogs were bred for human desires, long before any of us were around. I don't blame the dog. A pit bull doesn't know it's called a pit bull or WHY it's called a pit bull.

    As for the 'off you go'? Are you one of those scrotes with a mistreated dog walking the streets intimidating people? You don't agree with me, then engage in debate, telling me to trot on reeks of unintelligence and, more comedic, a knowledge of your lack of.
    Engage in debate? Like the way you told someone else they just shouldn't post?

    One of my dogs is a staffy/terrier/pit bull mutt yes. Does that make me a scumbag in your eyes? An evil dog owner? Because I don't have your breed of choice?


  • #118
    monkeysnapper
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    Nearly 12 months to the day I was out walking my 2 westies with my 2 year old son and 2 bull massif attacked my westie and killed her.

    Owner tried and tried to get them off her and failed .

    Horrible horrible I can tell you. My heart goes out to that poor family and woman

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100429492


  • #119
    Collie D
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I presume every dog listed in the legislation here for muzzling etc. when in public areas can kill.

    Not sure if you're arguing with me or not but I agree with you even if my post wasn't clear. I meant not all dog breeds rather than all dogs.


  • #120
    borderlinemeath
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    I have 3 young kids and won't have any dog in the house. Any.

    Any dog is liable to bite, its not worth the risk.

    When I was growing up, we had a toy poodle, a vicious little thing. Had bit me, the rest of my family and most of my friends at some point before he was shifted out.

    I hope you're educating your kids how to behave around dogs. Most kids who haven't had a family pet don't know how to behave around dogs, and the last thing you want to do is shield them to the degree that they are afraid of dogs, they'll meet them everywhere, walks, parks, friends houses etc. There's even talk of an animal welfare element to be included in the school curriculum.

    Pets develop empathy in children, and encourage responsibility. Just because you had a run in with a narky small dog as a child (that was probably terrified of the lot of you given that he had a propensity to bite you all) doesn't mean that your children should be denied a pet, or the benefits of owning one. My sister in law has just got a dog for her 3 children, her husband was dead set against it for years, having never had a pet growing up, and he's loving having the dog, regrets not getting him years ago.


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  • #121
    SeamusG97
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    You tell us, you own dogs that are the third most likely to attack, above any on the restricted breed list.
    Ahh C'on now. Tell me of anybody who was mauled to death by a Cocker Spaniel. I've seen joke warning signs in souvenir shops in France that say: ' "Cocker Je Monte ma Garde " as a joke. "Cocker on Guard" as if it was a deterrent. No I don't think a cocker spaniel is a threat to anyone. Biggest threat is that it would **** on somewhere you would like to walk.


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