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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #1652
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Really Interested wrote: »
    I would assume that 40,000 would include all who entered to claim international protection and got asylum, sup protection or some type of leave to remain. That figure would include all people who arrived since 1995 so over 20 years.

    If the process was faster then many of the humanitarian leave cases would not have got a positive result.


    You assume. You assume wrong. Tell me how we could best ensure an expedient asylum process?


  • #1653
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Not trying to be nasty, or even rude, but that right there is some serious naivety. Do you know many people who have moved here from abroad? Let's leave the (waaay overdiscussed imo) Muslims aside for a moment. Take the Lithuanians. Now, I know a lot of Lithuanians. A lot. I know loads of good ones, and I know LOADS of bad ones. Ones that are bad in ways that would give normal decent people nightmares.

    They didn't come here for altruistic reasons. Not the bad ones. Trust me on that. (I'd go so far as to say forget worrying about the Muslims, they're an issue alright, but one that's a long way off - worry about the bad eggs amongst the Eastern Europeans, they're running amok as we speak - their Roma counterparts are not much better. You've a waay better chance of getting the good news from an Eastern European bad lad coming through your back door/nicking your new Audi than you do from ISIS).

    That ^ will kick off some of the "Never been out muchers" who will cry racism etc etc, but I'm not. For every 100 hard working, decent, honest Immigrants that come to Ireland, 3 cnuts arrive mixed in with them. Usually, the cnuts are a scourge on their own as much as on everyone else. That's the joys of Multi-Culturalism. You don't just get the Jihadists or the Doctors, you get the forklift drivers and the Pimps, all mixed together.

    I'm married to a Lithuanian so yes I know what them & the eastern Europeans are like. But none of them want to blow themselves up in the name of God. We need better deportation laws firstly so we can deal with anyone who causes problems. I lived/worked & have friends that are Muslim & I know what they are really like


  • #1654
    Tomatoheadfred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ✭Tomatoheadfred


    Why are so many Muslims desperate to live in non Muslim countries?


  • #1655
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    It was my opinion on one post. Not the answer to all the worlds problems. :D I've no idea what the answer to Radical islam is. I dunno if there even is one. In the old days, there would have been a Battle in a field and stuff. I doubt that would fly nowadays. I'm crap with a sword anyways. I'll probably settle for sitting back and watching what unfolds. I just hope very few more attacks like last nights happen. I wouldn't be a fan of seeing innocent people dying because of someone elses Religious or Political Agenda.

    Whether they are homegrown or not, the problem is radical Islam.

    You know how not to have radical Islamists in your country? Temporary suspend letting any more migrants from the countries that produce the most terrorists.

    If you discover a flood in your house, you can't fix the damage already done but the first thing you do is fix the leak to stop more water!


  • #1656
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The UK has a very different make up to us and historical commitments to former colonies.
    I think the chance that we get thousands all at once is very low. We have free movement within Europe, but we do control our immigration policy from outside the EU.

    But I agree, we do need and we should expect new people to integrate property.

    I've seen some TD's saying we should be taking on 12000 refugees.


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  • #1657
    Really Interested
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    conorhal wrote: »
    You assume. You assume wrong. Tell me how we could best ensure an expedient asylum process?

    All applications to Circuit Court for international protection followed by appeal to High Court. Then if not granted protection to minister for humanitarian leave to remain if not granted then deportation order.

    Can you give me the figures as I assumed wrong!


  • #1658
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Tomatoheadfred wrote: »
    Why are so many Muslims desperate to live in non Muslim countries?

    So they don't get bombed by the Americans,British,Russians etc. Or beheaded,burned. thrown from buildings etc by isis.


  • #1659
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    conorhal wrote: »
    You assume. You assume wrong. Tell me how we could best ensure an expedient asylum process?

    Sort out the delays in the court system. Sometimes its taking years for court hearings to be scheduled.
    If we invested some money in the appeals system, you'd make it back on not having the costs of direct provision for years for people who are refused refugee status at the end of it.


  • #1660
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    I've seen some TD's saying we should be taking on 12000 refugees.

    A month? A year? Over 5 years? Longer?


  • #1661
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    RustyNut wrote: »
    So they don't get bombed by the Americans,British,Russians etc. Or beheaded,burned. thrown from buildings etc by isis.

    Meh, I dunno. Seems to be a lot of lads leaving, less so women and children. Why leave the family behind if it's so bad?


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  • #1662
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The majority of Muslims living in Ireland aren't fleeing anything.

    All the ones that I know are well integrated. YMMV.

    Yes but the same as other countries the ones that came years ago & set up business are not the problem. Its the ones coming now from war torn countries. The ones that have settled here left behind that world & now it is following them


  • #1663
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Meh, I dunno. Seems to be a lot of lads leaving, less so women and children. Why leave the family behind if it's so bad?

    Because the first people to be targeted by all sides are males of fighting age. What is the ratio of men to women fleeing to safety?


  • #1664
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Tomatoheadfred wrote: »
    Why are so many Muslims desperate to live in non Muslim countries?

    Maybe this guy will explain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG31lma5Uo4


  • #1665
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Meh, I dunno. Seems to be a lot of lads leaving, less so women and children. Why leave the family behind if it's so bad?

    women and children are of far less importance to men in their culture in the middle east


  • #1666
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Because the first people to be targeted by all sides are males of fighting age. What is the ratio of men to women fleeing to safety?

    Define "Safety". Is Calais unsafe? Is Greece "unsafe"? Why do so many want to stay going? I doubt "safety" really features tbh. Not even remotely.


  • #1667
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Depp wrote: »
    women and children are of far less importance to men in their culture in the middle east

    Is that fact alright with you? Are you cool with that? Do you share that view? Women and children come first in my culture. It sits badly with me, the whole "men matter more" thing. It's one of my pet hates regarding "Islam". That and I like walking beside the wife holding hands. They frown on that too.


  • #1668
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-BalcombeSt4 do not post in this thread again.

    I hereby declare that the next person who drags the IRA in to this discussion is getting at least a month ban.


  • #1669
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Why was that done?

    Can't go to feedback it's "closed"


  • #1670
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Why was that done?

    Can't go to feedback it's "closed"

    He said stuff, he meant it. Get with the programme. He was right too.

    I wonder will this thread be superceded by next weekend? Like the Manchester one? The pace is slightly scary.


  • #1671
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tomatoheadfred wrote: »
    Why are so many Muslims desperate to live in non Muslim countries?

    Why are so many Irish Catholics desperate to live in non Catholic countries?
    Why would it matter what your religion is?


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  • #1672
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    He said stuff, he meant it. Get with the programme. He was right too.

    I wonder will this thread be superceded by next weekend? Like the Manchester one? The pace is slightly scary.


    I agree with the mod post but didn't see the reason to delete those posts.


  • #1673
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Is that fact alright with you? Are you cool with that? Do you share that view? Women and children come first in my culture. It sits badly with me, the whole "men matter more" thing. It's one of my pet hates regarding "Islam". That and I like walking beside the wife holding hands. They frown on that too.

    agree a hundred percent the inequality in islamic majority countries is an out and out disgrace


  • #1674
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,896 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Why was that done?

    Can't go to feedback it's "closed"
    Probably because these attacks have nothing to do with the IRA.


  • #1675
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Why was that done?

    Can't go to feedback it's "closed"

    Are you asking why a trolling post and its replies were deleted? Because people will just keep taking the bait of the original post and it'll never end.

    Now, back on the topic of the incident in London. Enough of this.

    Mod


  • #1676
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Why are so many Irish Catholics desperate to live in non Catholic countries?
    Why would it matter what your religion is?

    Not to spread catholicism and demand the country turns into a mini Ireland thats for sure


  • #1677
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    I am sick of hearing about extermists etc. especially from Ala Carte humanitarians.

    In Saudi Arabia you dont get citizenship if you are not Muslim. Infact if you are born of a Muslim father and attempt to change religion, the punishment is severe. Death.

    Tolerance, they simply dont do it.

    The people (and I use that term very loosely) that carry out these terrosist attacks are doing so supposedly in the name of Islam, right in the middle of their holy month.

    The good folk at the mosques know damn well who these are yet according to newpaper reports earlier in the year 2/3's of them wouldnt tip the police off about a terror attack etc. It is in their interest to support their claim that they are not the same as these supposed extremists.

    The solution to change that mindset is simple. Threaten to shut down the mosques, if they dont change that mindset.


  • #1678
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,690 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Because the first people to be targeted by all sides are males of fighting age. What is the ratio of men to women fleeing to safety?


    What about all the women and girls being raped and sold into slavery by Isis? They have plenty to flee from


  • #1679
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Why are so many Irish Catholics desperate to live in non Catholic countries?
    Why would it matter what your religion is?

    Well it matters if your a woman and want to drive in Saudi Arabia.

    Most Irish Catholics have distanced themselves from the Catholic church and choose to live in English speaking countries like Australia, Amercia, Canada and so fort.

    They don't go to to Muslim countries in the middle east and demand that they change their culture to satisfy them.


  • #1680
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    What about all the women and girls being raped and sold into slavery by Isis? They have plenty to flee from


    Absolutely, if those men are fleeing ISIS and left their female relatives behind then they left them to a grim fate. It makes no sense.


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  • #1681
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    What about all the women and girls being raped and sold into slavery by Isis? They have plenty to flee from

    I agree.


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