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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #1382
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Eight minutes??? That's not very reassuring.

    Imagine how much damage one suicidal person with a machete can do in eight minutes. And there were three of them last night.

    Exactly. The first police responder who dealt with the terrorists was only armed with a baton. He was stabbed and is hospital.

    Wonderfullife, surely you can see this officer could have saved so many lives, and stopped himself coming to harm if he had a gun?


  • #1383
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Bambi wrote: »
    Defect defect, one trick pony running on the one track. You've been flogging that pony since the days of usenet

    Of course it was'nt actually you but it might as well have been, cos its same ould shtick :D

    If your post made sense I could perhaps reply properly.


  • #1384
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Eight minutes??? That's not very reassuring.

    Imagine how much damage one suicidal person with a machete can do in eight minutes. And there were three of them last night.

    Eight minutes is rocket fast. Deploy, get to actual location, identify threats, as opposed to hundreds of innocents running around in panic, get close to threats, neutralise threats. 8 Minutes. In a busy, Big City. That's Epic in terms of response times. Totally Epic. I'm hoping they get well praised for their fast and efficient actions.


  • #1385
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    You really have to ask yourself why was the first ever Islamic terror attack in Britain a few years after there wars in Afghanistan and illegal war in Iraq that has left over a million dead. Muslims have lived in relative peace in Britain for decades, ZERO terrorist attacks in the 20th century on British soil by Islamic extremists.

    This has nothing to do witb religion in my opinion. Its revenge.


  • #1386
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    So if there is an attack in Ireland will you come on here & apologize to all the people you have insinuated to being racists/bigots?
    Or will you still make excuses for Islam?

    If the UVF or Radical Islamists or *anybody* plants a bomb in Dublin or grabs a van and knocks over 10 people on O' Connell Street or goes around on a stabbing spree in the name of a character from a fairytale, I'll do the same as I always do:

    Condemn the attack and encourage people to get a grip on reality and carry on with their normal lives.

    Personally I view our abject failings in mental health & suicide prevention in this country as a far bigger problem than the non-existent Islamic terror attacks.

    It's not *whataboutism* to want to focus our energy on *real* existing problems and not on a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    My *excuse* for Islam is there are over a Billion people who practice the religion, if the religion had endemic problems that automatically led to terrorism, then we'd be facing an army of a Billion.

    The fact we're facing literally less than 30 people in the UK who have participated in Radical Islamic Terror tells me it's not the religion that's the problem, it's warped interpretations of it.


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  • #1387
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Wonder what stage the "X attacks in 12 years" stat will die out?

    It's so disingenuous.


  • #1388
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If the UVF or Radical Islamists or *anybody* plants a bomb in Dublin or grabs a van and knocks over 10 people on O' Connell Street or goes around on a stabbing spree in the name of a character from a fairytale, I'll do the same as I always do:

    Condemn the attack and encourage people to get a grip on reality and carry on with their normal lives.

    Personally I view our abject failings in mental health & suicide prevention in this country as a far bigger problem than the non-existent Islamic terror attacks.

    It's not *whataboutism* to want to focus our energy on *real* existing problems and not on a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    My *excuse* for Islam is there are over a Billion people who practice the religion, if the religion had endemic problems that automatically led to terrorism, then we'd be facing an army of a Billion.

    The fact we're facing literally less than 30 people in the UK who have participated in Radical Islamic Terror tells me it's not the religion that's the problem, it's warped interpretations of it.

    What about the 3500 on the watch list?


  • #1389
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You really have to ask yourself why was the first ever Islamic terror attack in Britain a few years after there wars in Afghanistan and illegal war in Iraq that has left over a million dead. Muslims have lived in relative peace in Britain for decades, ZERO terrorist attacks in the 20th century on British soil by Islamic extremists.

    This has nothing to do witb religion in my opinion. Its revenge.

    Exactly.

    Also ask yourself why the IRA's campaign escalated dramatically in the decade after Bloody Sunday.

    Same answer. Revenge.

    The tendency when you see innocent men, women and children murdered by a State is to want to seek revenge. Attacking the State itself is impossible for terrorists so they just seek to attack easy targets within their means.


  • #1390
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If the UVF or Radical Islamists or *anybody* plants a bomb in Dublin or grabs a van and knocks over 10 people on O' Connell Street or goes around on a stabbing spree in the name of a character from a fairytale, I'll do the same as I always do:

    Condemn the attack and encourage people to get a grip on reality and carry on with their normal lives.

    Personally I view our abject failings in mental health & suicide prevention in this country as a far bigger problem than the non-existent Islamic terror attacks.

    It's not *whataboutism* to want to focus our energy on *real* existing problems and not on a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    My *excuse* for Islam is there are over a Billion people who practice the religion, if the religion had endemic problems that automatically led to terrorism, then we'd be facing an army of a Billion.

    The fact we're facing literally less than 30 people in the UK who have participated in Radical Islamic Terror tells me it's not the religion that's the problem, it's warped interpretations of it.


    Do you deliberately make disingenuous arguments or is it just instinctive that its to only way that you can protect your sacred cow from reality?


  • #1391
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I think it's time for all British cops to be armed.
    It was nice and quaint having them in their odd helmets carrying a truncheon back in the 1950's.
    But unfortunately times have changed and the kinds of threats the public face can't be neutralised with a stick.
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Yeah you're right let's become like America and arm everyone to the teeth.

    It'll work out fine. Nothing to see here.

    He's not saying arm them all to the teeth. He's saying arm them like every civilised society except New Zealand, UK and ourselves of note (plus a few others). America's gun problem is caused by many issues but not the fact that the police are armed.

    A BTP officer was stabbed during the melee yesterday. Assuming he was unarmed, it's not speculation to suggest that had he been armed this might have ended sooner.


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  • #1392
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What exactly is your game?

    The footage from the Ariana concert was from *inside* the venue.

    I pointed out there was no smoke or fire from inside the venue.

    It turned out the bomb went off in a concourse outside the venue.

    It's a pity you can't follow basic comprehension because my post was factually correct - there was no point of detonation from inside the venue.


  • #1393
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    The footage from the Ariana concert was from *inside* the venue.

    I pointed out there was no smoke or fire from inside the venue.

    It turned out the bomb went off in a concourse outside the venue.

    It's a pity you can't follow basic comprehension because my post was factually correct - there was no point of detonation from inside the venue.

    Stop digging, it's cringeworthy


  • #1394
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Stop digging, it's cringeworthy

    And he's also correct, or is that not important anymore?


  • #1395
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Eight minutes is rocket fast. Deploy, get to actual location, identify threats, as opposed to hundreds of innocents running around in panic, get close to threats, neutralise threats. 8 Minutes. In a busy, Big City. That's Epic in terms of response times. Totally Epic. I'm hoping they get well praised for their fast and efficient actions.

    Blazingly fast, very efficient.

    But not fast enough.
    An officer with a truncheon had to confront three suicidal attackers armed with knives and is now in hospital.


  • #1396
    mikeybrennan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    They can always use the first attack as a diversion if they're sufficiently organised.


  • #1397
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    sdanseo wrote: »
    A BTP officer was stabbed during the melee yesterday. Assuming he was unarmed, it's not speculation to suggest that had he been armed this might have ended sooner.

    True but same sentiments can be applied to anyone in the restaurant. If they were carrying guns, it might have ended sooner, right?

    By that logic you end up with a 2nd Amendment type mess.


  • #1398
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    True but same sentiments can be applied to anyone in the restaurant. If they were carrying guns, it might have ended sooner, right?

    By that logic you end up with a 2nd Amendment type mess.

    Are you just trying to wind people up on here?? If we arm the police we dont have to arm civilians is it really that hard to understand?


  • #1399
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You really have to ask yourself why was the first ever Islamic terror attack in Britain a few years after there wars in Afghanistan and illegal war in Iraq that has left over a million dead. Muslims have lived in relative peace in Britain for decades, ZERO terrorist attacks in the 20th century on British soil by Islamic extremists.

    This has nothing to do witb religion in my opinion. Its revenge.

    Isis are not upset that saddam was removed.


  • #1400
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If the UVF or Radical Islamists or *anybody* plants a bomb in Dublin or grabs a van and knocks over 10 people on O' Connell Street or goes around on a stabbing spree in the name of a character from a fairytale, I'll do the same as I always do:

    Condemn the attack and encourage people to get a grip on reality and carry on with their normal lives.

    Personally I view our abject failings in mental health & suicide prevention in this country as a far bigger problem than the non-existent Islamic terror attacks.

    It's not *whataboutism* to want to focus our energy on *real* existing problems and not on a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    My *excuse* for Islam is there are over a Billion people who practice the religion, if the religion had endemic problems that automatically led to terrorism, then we'd be facing an army of a Billion.

    The fact we're facing literally less than 30 people in the UK who have participated in Radical Islamic Terror tells me it's not the religion that's the problem, it's warped interpretations of it.

    The fact that only 2 or 3 UVF members planted the Dublin-Monaghan bombs doesn't mean that there wasn't a problem in Unionism.


  • #1401
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    The footage from the Ariana concert was from *inside* the venue.

    I pointed out there was no smoke or fire from inside the venue.

    It turned out the bomb went off in a concourse outside the venue.

    It's a pity you can't follow basic comprehension because my post was factually correct - there was no point of detonation from inside the venue.

    Below is the full quote. Where did you point out "inside venue"? Please don't question my comprehension when you don't even have your own account correct
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    There's absolutely no sign of a point of detonation.

    It doesn't look like any typical scene of a bombing.

    Won't jump to conclusions but if it was a bomb it was a very unusual one from all available footage.


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  • #1402
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If the UVF or Radical Islamists or *anybody* plants a bomb in Dublin or grabs a van and knocks over 10 people on O' Connell Street or goes around on a stabbing spree in the name of a character from a fairytale, I'll do the same as I always do:

    Condemn the attack and encourage people to get a grip on reality and carry on with their normal lives.

    Personally I view our abject failings in mental health & suicide prevention in this country as a far bigger problem than the non-existent Islamic terror attacks.

    It's not *whataboutism* to want to focus our energy on *real* existing problems and not on a problem that doesn't yet exist.

    My *excuse* for Islam is there are over a Billion people who practice the religion, if the religion had endemic problems that automatically led to terrorism, then we'd be facing an army of a Billion.

    The fact we're facing literally less than 30 people in the UK who have participated in Radical Islamic Terror tells me it's not the religion that's the problem, it's warped interpretations of it.

    Everybody's an Islamic scholar these days.


  • #1403
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You really have to ask yourself why was the first ever Islamic terror attack in Britain a few years after there wars in Afghanistan and illegal war in Iraq that has left over a million dead. Muslims have lived in relative peace in Britain for decades, ZERO terrorist attacks in the 20th century on British soil by Islamic extremists.

    This has nothing to do witb religion in my opinion. Its revenge.
    ISIS have themselves come out and said that this is primarily to do with religion.
    They hate us because we don't embrace Islam.
    They won't stop fighting us until we are living as second class citizens in an Islamic state.
    The Fake Sheik did a post on their reasons here.


  • #1404
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    Isis are not upset that saddam was removed.

    Who are ISIS exactly? There not an army or a country. There just a name banded about to make it sound like we are been attacked by a religous death cult. If the IRA bombed London this ISIS they would claim it.

    These attacks are been carried out by British citizens.


  • #1405
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    What about the 3500 on the watch list?

    Watch them? Any evidence of a crime, arrest them, charge them, bring them to court.
    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Are you just trying to wind people up on here?? If we arm the police we dont have to arm civilians is it really that hard to understand?

    Is it really so hard to understand that UK Police themselves are overwhelmingly against mandatory arming?

    Do a bit of research. The public is increasingly in favour of armed police but the police themselves don't want to carry guns - and I'll defer to them that they know better than us how they want to police.
    RandomName2 wrote: »
    The fact that only 2 or 3 UVF members planted the Dublin-Monaghan bombs doesn't mean that there wasn't a problem in Unionism.

    Yet there was no calls to ban unionism, deport Unionists to the UK or mass internment of those *associating* with extremists based on the actions of the few.


  • #1406
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    By that logic you end up with a 2nd Amendment type mess.

    How can you come to that conclusion? You allow the police here to have guns and leave the laws that are in place now for the rest of the population. Could save countless lives if a London style attack happened here. They can't do much to combat a few knife wielding loons as they are. I'd like to be able to have a gun to protect my own home, if I'm being honest but that isn't going to happen for the foreseeable future.


  • #1407
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And he's also correct, or is that not important anymore?

    No they are most certainly not correct. What they originally posted and what they are saying now are two different things


  • #1408
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Gotta pull this guy on this nonsense :

    "Shaykh Dr Muhammad Umar Al-Qadri, chair of the Irish Muslim Peace & Integration Council, tweeted that “real Muslims” were praying last night, ”not killing innocent people”."

    Simply doesnt acknowledge the responsibility that Islam and he has for these outrages. That Islam doesnt know what 'real Muslims' are to begin with and argues about that very question itself through violence means it is inherently unstable, uncontrolled, violent, and as a whole, responsible for the damage it does the world. This 'they're not real Muslims, we are the true Muslims, who pray and love peace' cant is revolting.


  • #1409
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    True but same sentiments can be applied to anyone in the restaurant. If they were carrying guns, it might have ended sooner, right?

    By that logic you end up with a 2nd Amendment type mess.

    There's a huge difference between arming the police and arming all civilians.

    Yeah, if you arm everyone as the second amendment crowd like to think, theoretically in a case like this it would all be over much sooner. Of course you then have the problem of training and shots going in the wrong place, crossfire, have a go heroes and all that. The other problem is whether the trade off of making guns so easily accessible to all is worth it. In America, clearly it's not. There are other countries like Czech with very similar gun laws (anyone can concealed carry) but with much stricter licence checks. The issue of arming citizens in general though is a different debate and I'm reasonably open minded about it when you exclude the fact that US society is uniquely screwed.

    I'm not as open minded when it comes to arming the police. They should be armed. They should be suitably trained and able to react and protect people and when you have a group of people with machetes who are not afraid to die, a telescopic baton doesn't cut the mustard in terms of reaction.


  • #1410
    wandererz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    "I'm bringing my kids up as God fearing Muslim's. Just like me"
    "Praise be to the man upstairs, he has been so good to us. So why not teach my kids the same stuff. "

    "Let's teach them to learn and recite everything from this book from the moment that they can speak"

    "Let's teach them to end every sentence with the phrase "God is Great!" or "Praise be to God" "

    From DAY ONE.

    Holy bejaysus!
    If i mentioned the "A" word above instead of saying "God " i would be sanctioned , hunted down and killed.
    And the government themselves would take me to court for offending people or religious freedom!

    Holy feckin beejaysus!
    Ahhh, so what if they say "Praise be to A..." before they blow themselves up or stab others.
    It's all good. It's in the name of the almighty A.
    It's been said beforehand, so my kid is in Paradise with 27 virgins.

    Praise be to A... God


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  • #1411
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Who are ISIS exactly? There not an army or a country. There just a name banded about to make it sound like we are been attacked by a religous death cult. If the IRA bombed London this ISIS they would claim it.

    These attacks are been carried out by British citizens.

    ISIS are both an army (and/or terrorist group) and once ran a country. Well so they said. It was pretty big anyway.

    If people are influenced by Isis online then engage in Isis style attacks then that's Isis. Even for lone wolves. But neither this nor manchester are lone wolves. The police are arresting other people.


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