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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #1292
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    "8 attacks on 12 years" but
    3 attacks since 22/03/17 on unarmed people going about their business-
    34 dead not including the perps.

    The "gas" thing is people like you still don't think there's a problem and seek to either diminish or deflect.

    I see there's a problem, but I refuse to be scared by it. I don't really see how that's so hard to understand?

    It's blown up entirely out of proportion, and when you try to show how things aren't that bad, actually, you get accused of whataboutery and relativism.

    A lot of posters here are a bunch of Chicken Little's who need to chill out.

    And yes, IF the police budget hadn't been cut by 20,000 members, PERHAPS this could have been prevented.


  • #1293
    Biggest lickspittle on boardz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Apparently the SAS were dropped onto London Bridge by helicopter last night. It is the first time the Blue Thunder rapid reaction force has been used in the UK:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-terror-attack-sas-blue-thunder-unit-helicopter-bridge-atrocity-borough-a7771831.html


  • #1294
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Trump_Wall wrote: »
    A modest proposal -

    We should have an army of undercover Muslims reporting to government authorities what is preached at their mosques. Gather evidence and charge/close down mosque/school accordingly.

    Radicalization is also rampant in prisons. Due consideration should be taken here to eliminate this immediate threat source.

    Don't permit Muslims who have fought in Syria-Iraq-Libya etc. from returning to the UK. If they do, we should either deport them immediately or imprison them indefinitely.

    Muslims with active evidential-based links to ISIS should be put before a jury and incarcerated if found guilty. They're facilitating an organization that threatens the UK state.

    Restrict mass Islamic immigration. Close down faith schools and have children of all faiths share and have direct exposure to common UK education and values.



    Despite your user name that is actually a modest and realistic approach.

    I would make an exception for those returning from Syria who fought for the YPG though.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And yes, IF the police budget hadn't been cut by 20,000 members, PERHAPS this could have been prevented.



    Because the police can actively monitor all the white vans and knives in Britain.


  • #1295
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well done. Not exactly "immediate and simple" then, is it?

    Perhaps the key word missing is "more".

    It is "more" immediate than anything else on the table (quite an empty table!)

    It is "simpler" than anything else on the table.


  • #1296
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Danzy wrote: »
    I don't see why publicly calling for the murder of people because they are gays or Jewish is tolerable? It may be simplistic but it is the right thing to do.

    It is tolerated and I think it should not be, especially when there is a militant problem in many of those listening and preaching these views.

    To many on the Left today, that is the same as if I had a Fascist tattoo.

    It may inflame the situation now but this is a rapidly growing problem.

    I'm struggling to understand your view.

    I presume that if Nick Griffin called for Gays to be stoned to death to several thousand people that you would call for his jailing, yet you are struggling to comprehend this.

    Do you or do you not believe that those who advocate in public the murder of Gays or Jews need to be stopped and held accountable, without fear or favour.

    It is that simple and you need to consider where you stand on it, leaving out the "but"
    Maybe that's because you're deliberately misunderstanding it.

    We've been over this before. We already have incitement to hatred legislation, and of course it should be enforced.


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  • #1297
    Murrisk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Murrisk


    Danzy wrote: »
    In some ways it is a euphemism but it is very accurate in other ways.

    Well, whatever it is, it's a mindnumbingly stupid phrase.


  • #1298
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Because the police can actively monitor all the white vans and knives in Britain.


    Are you kidding me? Having 20,000 extra police to investigate would make no difference at all?

    *clap clap*


  • #1299
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you kidding me? Having 20,000 extra police to investigate would make no difference at all?

    *clap clap*

    Oh no, they totally could keep tabs on the knives. A copper in every supermarket aisle and in every kitchen will do the trick.

    Similarly, checkpoints can be set up in Britain to check for people driving vans.


  • #1300
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Might be generalising here a bit but if you're a victim of knife crime/gun crime (saw that used as a one-up on terrorism earlier) it's possible that you're likely involved in dodgy business and have been targeted by rivals and or other scrotes. I accept innocents are caught up from time to time but most of the time it's people "in the game".

    The calibre of people caught up in these terror style of attacks matters not a jot to the perpetrators. They dont care if you're an 11 year old girl or an 81 year old grandad.

    Basically, if you're a criminal in the drugs trade and have made violent enemies, you can expect rivals to wanna take you out. It's part and parcel of your lifestyle. However, going for dinner and a drink in town with your husband or to a concert with your friends, it's the last thing anyone expects or deserves.


  • #1301
    Trump_Wall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭Trump_Wall


    Never mind 20,000 police officers; if we had 100,000 extra police officers, attacks would still take place.

    A lone-wolf lunatic need only a kitchen knife to kill and maim half a dozen people.


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  • #1302
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pangbang wrote: »
    Perhaps the key word missing is "more".

    It is "more" immediate than anything else on the table (quite an empty table!)

    It is "simpler" than anything else on the table.

    Deleted User wrote: »
    The suggestions have been:

    Gas them (Obvs insane)
    Internment without trial (never worked in the past, why should it work now?)
    Deport citizens of the UK, after removing their citizenship, to some sandy country that they'll have to be accepted because that's where their ma/da are from. (Still can't get around to how anyone with a modicum of intelligence thinks that that's a good idea)
    Throw them in the sea.

    Have I missed any?

    Oh, travel ban, cos that will stop the (insert made up amount here) terrorists that are already in the UK.

    They're all mad ideas.

    As much as mine will be seen as insane as well: Stop bombing them. Stop killing people's mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters and maybe, just maybe we'll give them one less reason to bomb us.

    So what are we adding to this? Close their temples, don't let them congregate?


    Yeah that wouldn't inflame the situation at all.


  • #1303
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Oh no, they totally could keep tabs on the knives. A copper in every supermarket aisle and in every kitchen will do the trick.

    Similarly, checkpoints can be set up in Britain to check for people driving vans.

    Or maybe 20,000 extra police and increased surveillance would possibly spot those who intend to use a van and knife to kill?

    Well done on the most obtuse, facetious reply I've ever seen though.


  • #1304
    Really Interested
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    You keep saying this while ignoring that it's only a temporary exclusion for a maximum 2 years and is ONLY to be used as a last resort if the person refuses other alternatives like reporting to a police station, not using the internet etc.

    It's been used once in the 2 years it was made law because the lesser sanctions work better.

    8)The imposition of a temporary exclusion order does not prevent a further temporary exclusion order from being imposed on the excluded individual (including in a case where an order ceases to be in force at the expiry of its two year duration).

    While a Order can only last 2 years, there is the possibility to have a second one etc.

    I'm not saying this is a solution I simply point out to people who advocate such a law that the law is in place.


  • #1305
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,760 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see there's a problem, but I refuse to be scared by it. I don't really see how that's so hard to understand?

    It's blown up entirely out of proportion, and when you try to show how things aren't that bad, actually, you get accused of whataboutery and relativism.

    A lot of posters here are a bunch of Chicken Little's who need to chill out.

    And yes, IF the police budget hadn't been cut by 20,000 members, PERHAPS this could have been prevented.

    Lol

    Seriously you think thousands of people being asked to stay inside instead of being able to enjoy a night out is nothing to worry about.

    Talk about deluded.

    EVENFLOW



  • #1306
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I dunno why people are comingup solutions for Britains problems when their problem is different

    We're in a position that most European countries were in 20-30 years ago but the Irish times brigade would have us follow the same path that left other European countries in the mess they're in? Why? Because their sacred cows must be protected regardless of consequence

    We don't need religious nutters from the middle ages in this country, just stop importing them. Nip this madness in the bud.


  • #1307
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump_Wall wrote: »
    Never mind 20,000 police officers; if we had 100,000 extra police officers, attacks would still take place.

    A lone-wolf lunatic need only a kitchen knife to kill and maim half a dozen people.

    Yeah...

    Do you understand preventative policing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#Prevented.2C_failed_or_aborted_attacks

    Do you actually think we'd have the same no. of attacks if we hired more police? I'm finding that quite difficult to get my head around, how someone could be so.... Trumpian,

    Trumpiotic may work better.


  • #1308
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So what are we adding to this? Close their temples, don't let them congregate?


    Yeah that wouldn't inflame the situation at all.

    So we continue to turn a blind eye to such views.

    The only reason hate legislation is not acted on is because it would inflame the situation. It may lead to riots and a spike in attacks but the approach of hiding and turning a blind eye has only led the problem to grow.

    If Chav activist Tommy Robinson is arrested do you accuse the police of "inflaming the situation".

    You need to ask yourself if you have a problem with calling for the murder of Gay and Jews and others.

    If you do, if, then equivocation needs to be dropped.


  • #1309
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Or maybe 20,000 extra police and increased surveillance would possibly spot those who intend to use a van and knife to kill?

    Because people talking about, thinking of purchasing or using knives or vans are by their nature highly suspicious.
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Well done on the most obtuse, facetious reply I've ever seen though.

    Thanks, but I'd personally only score it 3/10 for obtuseness and maybe 7/10 for facetiousness.


  • #1310
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So what are we adding to this? Close their temples, don't let them congregate?


    Yeah that wouldn't inflame the situation at all.

    Pretty great point from someone above, why not just pull a hungary on it?

    Why wouldnt that work for us?

    And for any remaining nuts already here in Europe, begin a campaign of zero-tolerance to chuck them out.

    Sounds simple, and if theres any "inflammation" from those actions, all the better, even more bad eggs identified to chuck out. That's getting to the root of the problem, clearing out shop. Sends the important message that this country (or whichever country) belongs to its own people, and if youre allowed to come here and live here, then you know what youre in for.


  • #1311
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Danzy wrote: »
    So we continue to turn a blind eye to such views.

    The only reason hate legislation is not acted on is because it would inflame the situation. It may lead to riots and a spike in attacks but the approach of hiding and turning a blind eye has only led the problem to grow.

    If Chav activist Tommy Robinson is arrested do you accuse the police of "inflaming the situation".

    You need to ask yourself if you have a problem with calling for the murder of Gay and Jews and others.

    If you do, if, then equivocation needs to be dropped.


    You keep going on about if people have a problem with calling for the murder of Gays and Jews.

    Of course I do. So does the law, funnily enough: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/721907/Islamic-school-closed-Sharia-extremist-beliefs-gay-men-killed-Jamia-Al-Hudaa


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  • #1312
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Bambi wrote: »
    I dunno why people are comingup solutions for Britains problems when their problem is different

    We're in a position that most European countries were in 20-30 years ago but the Irish times brigade would have us follow the same path that left other European countries in the mess they're in? Why? Because their sacred cows must be protected regardless of consequence

    We don't need religious nutters from the middle ages in this country, just stop importing them. Nip this madness in the bud.

    Britain was complicated in that many of the Muslims who came into the country were from the Commonwealth, making it harder to justify (and legislate) to prevent that happening in the first place.


  • #1313
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    They have let this build up though. I mean if you are involved in two wars (not getting in to the rights and wrongs of either), surely you needed to be aware that terrorist attacks on the mainland would be a possibility. The Brits in particular should know this. Maybe they thought "that war is over there", so that the could confine all the actual war stuff to the Middle East and Afghanistan. I don't think it's clever to get involved in two wars, and not change your immigration and travel policy.

    It wasn't clever but then other people from other countries Britain has warred with didn't launch suicide attacks on them afterward.


  • #1314
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pangbang wrote: »
    Pretty great point from someone above, why not just pull a hungary on it?

    Why wouldnt that work for us?

    And for any remaining nuts already here in Europe, begin a campaign of zero-tolerance to chuck them out.

    Sounds simple, and if theres any "inflammation" from those actions, all the better, even more bad eggs identified to chuck out. That's getting to the root of the problem, clearing out shop. Sends the important message that this country (or whichever country) belongs to its own people, and if youre allowed to come here and live here, then you know what youre in for.


    Yeah. It's own people. :rolleyes:

    Give me strength.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw


  • #1315
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Britain was complicated in that many of the Muslims who came into the country were from the Commonwealth, making it harder to justify (and legislate) to prevent that happening in the first place.

    We don't have that problem but you'll still find plenty of cheerleaders wanting to shovel religious nutters in be the new time.

    Must protect that sacred cow


  • #1316
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You keep going on about if people have a problem with calling for the murder of Gays and Jews.

    Of course I do. So does the law, funnily enough: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/721907/Islamic-school-closed-Sharia-extremist-beliefs-gay-men-killed-Jamia-Al-Hudaa

    There is a large tolerance of it though, especially among those who should know better and by the State.

    The State do not want to deal with the blowback, the Left do not want to damage a block vote and the Tories didn't care as long as they were looting the State.


  • #1317
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Yet there's been 3 linked to ISIS in the past 10 weeks alone in the UK.

    Shame we don't get to see the foiled or plotted attacks for a more accurate assessment.

    What terror alert level is the UK on again?

    Many, many raids going on in the UK in recent months. They must be flat out putting a stop to incipient attacks. How long can they keep doing so? It's like a hydra.


  • #1318
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    The three terrorists had on "Fake Sucide Vests",

    I wonder did they actually know they were "Fake" OR did they think they were going to explode on a timer or receive signal from mobile phone.

    Did all three expect to explode for an instant death

    Good job they didn't get a hold on something like Semtex.

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #1319
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah. It's own people. :rolleyes:

    Give me strength.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw

    I'll tell you what, I'll be around to your house in the morning. Get the f**k out of my way, I'll choose what bedroom to sleep in, I'll drive your car when I like and so on.

    Cos its not your house, right? It belong to everyone. So what if your parents owned it! So what if you worked for it! So what if you built it! So what if you want it to go to YOUR children!

    You wont have a problem with that will you?

    Oh but let me guess, "that's different" because reasons. Simpleton logic.


  • #1320
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah. It's own people. :rolleyes:

    Give me strength.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw

    Hey if you dont like it I'm sure a Muslim country would take you in.


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  • #1321
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Lol

    Seriously you think thousands of people being asked to stay inside instead of being able to enjoy a night out is nothing to worry about.

    Talk about deluded.

    It is deeply sinister, nevermind deluded, yet it is often from people who would describe themselves as progressive. Sneaking regarders of Fascism.


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