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The issue with the Tiger.

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  • #32
    Minderbinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Minderbinder


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »

    This tiger killed a human. Put it down.

    You're missing the point I'm making (there's no difference between this Tiger than any other) - however, going by the above sentence, I think you may simply be trolling.

    Ridiculous post. Conor is using logic and you're using emotion. If a tiger gets the taste for human blood then it will attack again. It would put zookeepers at great risk.

    Tigers rarely attack in captivity. This is an exceptional case and it must be put down.


  • #33
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Minderbinder wrote: »
    If a tiger gets the taste for human blood then it will attack again.

    A taste for human blood :rolleyes: Tell me what animal if put into an enclosure a Tiger wouldn't attack? Go on Mr Logic, tell us.

    Minderbinder wrote: »

    Tigers rarely attack in captivity. This is an exceptional case and it must be put down.

    Of course attacks are rare in captivity, zookeepers keep their distance and respect they are dealing with a creature evolution has spent millions of years honing into a supreme predator.

    This is a zookeeper that used to play football with cheetahs. I think that'll stop now.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    it's logic below that of Forrest Gump.
    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Go on Mr Logic, tell us.

    Sometimes animals lose it, and sometimes humans lose it.

    Obviously, we can't laugh at what the tiger did...


  • #35
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Obviously, we can't laugh at what the tiger did...

    Are you saying because this is AH you've been joking about killing the tiger?


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Are you saying because this is AH you've been joking about killing the tiger?

    No no, I didn't joke about the tiger, what it did, or about its destruction.


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  • #37
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,062 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    You're missing the point I'm making (there's no difference between this Tiger than any other) - however, going by the above sentence, I think you may simply be trolling.

    Mod: Please refrain from accusing others of trolling. If you think somebody is trolling, report the post and move on


  • #38
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You have this thing in your head that I'm suggesting all tigers should be killed.

    If a human kills another, do you think all humans should be punished? You are arguing against a point that I never made, then building post after post around it.

    This tiger killed a human. Put it down.

    That seems to be the implication of your argument. It's not an argument about safety as it has been pointed out to you that all tigers will kill humans if they have the chance. This tiger killed a human and had not previously killed one. So if we're putting down a tiger because it can kill something then the logic is we put down all tigers.

    If you're angle is a that we need to punish the tiger it's equally pointless. Punish why? To set an example? To stop this tiger killing again? We've already established all tigers will kill if they get the chance. You might as well kill a tiger at random as they all have the propensity to kill humans.

    The best and most logical course of action is to examine the break down in safety that lead to this fatality.


  • #39
    Avatar MIA
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sometimes animals lose it

    :confused: The Tiger didn't lose it. It didn't sign a contract 'I the undersigned (paw print) will not eat the nice zookeeper that brings me food' and then took umbrage to the meat being served and attacked the zookeeper in a huff.

    It simply did what any Tiger will do if given the chance. Are you mistaking this tiger with a pet?


  • #40
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    This is a zookeeper that used to play football with cheetahs. I think that'll stop now.

    That is actually a rather sad result. Cheetahs, of all the big cats, are surprisingly friendly if trained up from cubs. Certain tribes (I think the Maasai are one) have used them for generations for hunting. Of all the big cat families, cheetahs are actually rather more similar to dogs than any other. Compare that to say, hyenas, which can also be friendly as pups, but will invariably go wild as they grow up.

    Not to say they should not be treated with respect, they are still a big animal evolved for hunting and killing. But cheetahs of all wild animals are playful and relatively friendly and trainable. And they do need stimulation and play, whether with humans or each other.

    Tigers are a different story.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    That seems to be the implication of your argument. It's not an argument about safety as it has been pointed out to you that all tigers will kill humans if they have the chance...

    Well, we agree. Although it is clearly not accepted by others here who insist it was provoked, it must have been nuts, it's the humans fault. I agree tigers will kill humans. But it's about utility, we don't kill all dogs, sharks and tigers because they may kill humans, we assess the risk. And I think it would be perfectly reasonable to assess that this particular animal that has killed a human poses a risk that's too great, it has overcome any natural tendency to stay away from humans. That's not it's fault, but it's not about blame. The alternative is to keep it caged but in a more secure way. I'm not against that tbh.


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  • #42
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Samaris wrote: »
    That is actually a rather sad result.

    You probably know more about cheetahs than I do.

    I remember my two year old standing close to the fence in Fota wild life park and I was about 10 feet away and watched rooted to the ground as the cheetah stalked my son and made a lunge at him. My son was totally unperturbed.

    That's because there was a fence between them. It was both fascinating and not a little eerie.

    Lovely creatures.


  • #43
    Murrisk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Murrisk


    Tilikum wrote: »
    Put it down?

    It's more likely it attacked because it's gone insane due to captivity.

    I'd prefer to see it released, to watch it attack all the gob****es that pay money to stand there pointing fingers at it.

    I love that your username is Tilikum. Very apt!


  • #44
    Murrisk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Murrisk


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Continue to cage it but take more precautions?

    Yes, this option. The death happened because of zoo carelessness, I think. This tiger, if properly enclosed, is no more likely to kill than others. Never mind the "taste for blood now" nonsense. Any tiger will kill a human, given the chance.


  • #45
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    You probably know more about cheetahs than I do.

    I remember my two year old standing close to the fence in Fota wild life park and I was about 10 feet away and watched rooted to the ground as the cheetah stalked my son and made a lunge at him. My son was totally unperturbed.

    That's because there was a fence between them. It was both fascinating and not a little eerie.

    Lovely creatures.

    They are beautiful animals, and how they have evolved to maximize their running ability is extraordinary. The loss of cheetahs would be a tragedy for the world. I wish I did know -why- cheetahs are more tamable than, say, hyenas or tigers, but I don't.

    Yeah, I wouldn't exactly trust a cheetah with a toddler, I admit! And those ones probably were left to keep their natural instincts rather than being socialised with humans on a regular basis. I'd have been watching that with a certain amount of alarm too.


  • #46
    Murrisk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Murrisk


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The best and most logical course of action is to examine the break down in safety that lead to this fatality.

    Exactly, this is the logical step, IMO. Review the checks and balances that should be in place to keep the keepers a safe distance from the animals.


  • #47
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    I've one,I'm constantly messin with it.Im 35.


  • #48
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Murrisk wrote: »
    Exactly, this is the logical step, IMO. Review the checks and balances that should be in place to keep the keepers a safe distance from the animals.

    Indeed. Punishment is meaningless when it comes to an animal.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In my opinion when you take a job working with dangerous animals then you know the risks. I read a bit about the girl who died and it sounds like she loved her job, loved animals and she would probably not want the lion put down, she knew the risks and unfortunately she got unlucky. The lion did what lions do..... kill things.


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