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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #932
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This problem will not go away and will lead to less and less freedoms for society, and this is one of the things the extremists want.
    What we have learned about these attacks after they happen is that ultimately, the terrorists win, be it if they die or the police make new laws to restrict freedom.

    RIP to the victims.


  • #933
    Romantic Rose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Romantic Rose


    FTA69 wrote: »
    5% of the British population are Muslims, the majority of whom were born here and the vast majority who live normal and productive lives here. How are you going to root them out by chance?

    How many on the watch list? A lot living in closed communities who don't want to integrate. I want controlled immigration and I want to know exactly who is living in our midst.


  • #934
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Really Interested wrote: »
    http://eudo-citizenship.eu/news/citizenship-news/1160-the-new-powers-of-deprivation-of-citizenship-in-the-uk

    The Immigration Act 2014, which received the Royal Assent on 14 May 2014, permits the UK government to remove citizenship from British nationals in some cases where the result will be statelessness. The powers it contains are now part of UK law but will not be implemented until ordered by the Secretary of State.

    http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/58de55ff4.pdf

    A recent decision to remove citizenship

    So I'll ask again. Where do you deport these stateless people to? Which government would be happy to accept them?


  • #935
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Conservative wrote: »
    My evidence is from personal experience (namely knowing a landlord of such a place and his experience with them) but even if I am wrong and they are all legal. Whoever presided over them being allowed into the country should be jailed.

    Importing people to fry halal chicken (that nobody cares about or wants). Is that the criteria for entry into one of the most economically beneficial countries in Europe now?

    So, your 'evidence' is hearsay that you don't know is accurate.
    But even if they are legal you want somebody jailed.
    Ok. That's clarified things.


    Next.


  • #936
    mikeybrennan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    23,000 persons in the UK with extremist sympathies according to BBC

    The police and intelligence services can't solve this problem


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  • #937
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,224 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Then lock them up.

    I'm sorry but repeatedly saying 'it's not possible to do x because of y' just doesn't cut it when innocent people being maimed and killed every other week.

    What do you suggest we do since clearly know better than the rest of us?

    Deans answer from earlier
    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Isn't there a saying that "sometimes a problem has no solution. Then it just becomes a fact of life." Perhaps that's the case here. I don't see how this sort of terrorism can actually be defeated.

    So its just to be accepted as normal. Hes more honest than most of the terrorist fans.


  • #938
    Tomatoheadfred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ✭Tomatoheadfred


    There are over 30k illegals in the state according to the Immigration Council of Ireland. Not a push to believe that some of them would be working illegally in ethnic food shops and restaurants.


  • #939
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    pjohnson wrote: »
    You mean natural born British subjects with ultra conservative extremist Muslim beliefs.

    Yes, 'natural born British subjects with ultra conservative extremist Muslim beliefs'.

    You must understand that you can't deport them. Its a stupid suggestion.


  • #940
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I just read back over the thread keeping the time line in mind - the whole incident was over by the time it was started

    first response 10.08
    dead by 10.16

    - What was not over was the ongoing response (as no one including the police unit that killed the three could know they'd got everyone involved) and the media's largely uninformed coverage of same.


  • #941
    Really Interested
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    So I'll ask again. Where do you deport these stateless people to? Which government would be happy to accept them?

    I just put up the law that the UK has passed. I put up a case which resulted in the removal of citizenship.

    the impact of the law is for the UK courts to deal with. I simply point out that laws put forward on this thread as an idea are in fact a reality.


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  • #942
    Conservative
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conservative


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Conservative wrote: »
    My evidence is from personal experience (namely knowing a landlord of such a place and his experience with them) but even if I am wrong and they are all legal. Whoever presided over them being allowed into the country should be jailed.

    Importing people to fry halal chicken (that nobody cares about or wants). Is that the criteria for entry into one of the most economically beneficial countries in Europe now?

    So, your 'evidence' is hearsay that you don't know is accurate.
    But even if they are legal you want somebody jailed.
    Ok. That's clarified things.


    Next.

    Ignore the point as usual with you apologists and RA heads.


  • #943
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    What a ridiculous question.

    Firstly, do people get a choice of whether they pay your make believe tax?

    Hundreds of thousands of potential terrorises? Where? In Ireland? I doubt it.

    Thats the problem with these debates. People on either side of the extreme lose the run of themselves.

    In Ireland youbhave dissident republicans (6kg of semtex found just the other day) shouldnall dissidents and their families/friends be arrested and jailed? How about anyone who visits the SF store and buys/reads republican literature?

    Same for the UK, If a person visits jihadi websites and reads literature should they and anyone remotely connected be arrested?

    I have no love for these murdering scum and would have no issue putting a bullet into any one of them but to see the same lock them all up, ban islam/Muslims, deport them and anyone connected to them rhetoric being spouted in yet another thread is just stupidity at it's greatest.


  • #944
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Tomatoheadfred wrote: »
    There are over 30k illegals in the state according to the Immigration Council of Ireland. Not a push to believe that some of them would be working illegally in ethnic food shops and restaurants.

    Belief != Evidence.


  • #945
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Really Interested wrote: »
    I just put up the law that the UK has passed. I put up a case which resulted in the removal of citizenship.

    the impact of the law is for the UK courts to deal with. I simply point out that laws put forward on this thread as an idea are in fact a reality.

    But removing citizenship effectively does nothing to solve the problem.


  • #946
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Deans answer from earlier


    So its just to be accepted as normal. Hes more honest than most of the terrorist fans.

    I find it worrying that anyone would think we should just accept it.


  • #947
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    So I'll ask again. Where do you deport these stateless people to? Which government would be happy to accept them?

    Atlantis


  • #948
    Really Interested
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    But removing citizenship effectively does nothing to solve the problem.

    Where did I say it did? I simply pointed out in response to a post that the laws exist!


  • #949
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Deans answer from earlier


    So its just to be accepted as normal. Hes more honest than most of the terrorist fans.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not a "terrorist fan". Stop posting that sort of nonsense.


  • #950
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Conservative wrote: »
    Ignore the point as usual with you apologists and RA heads.

    I could have predicted that kind of response, but maybe not so quickly.


  • #951
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The sight of innocent people with their hands in the hair is a lesson

    The same way kids are bought out of high school in the US after mass shoitings


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  • #952
    Tomatoheadfred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ✭Tomatoheadfred


    You can't deport citizens but you certainly can curtail the numbers coming and not allow millions of unvetted immigrants flood into Europe from regions were religious extremism is rife.


  • #953
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    mikeybrennan wrote: »
    23,000 persons in the UK with extremist sympathies according to BBC. The police and intelligence services can't solve this problem

    They have let this build up though. I mean if you are involved in two wars (not getting in to the rights and wrongs of either), surely you needed to be aware that terrorist attacks on the mainland would be a possibility. The Brits in particular should know this. Maybe they thought "that war is over there", so that the could confine all the actual war stuff to the Middle East and Afghanistan. I don't think it's clever to get involved in two wars, and not change your immigration and travel policy.


  • #954
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Then lock them up.

    I'm sorry but repeatedly saying 'it's not possible to do x because of y' just doesn't cut it when innocent people being maimed and killed every other week.

    What do you suggest we do since clearly know better than the rest of us?

    Who exactly do you suggest locking up?


  • #955
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deporting people won't work, someone will just replace them. It might even radicalise more if the Police start ripping people out of communities. There's no solution, all they can do is try to control it and hope for the best. Years down the line things are going to get extremely nasty.


  • #956
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Yes, 'natural born British subjects with ultra conservative extremist Muslim beliefs'.

    You must understand that you can't deport them. Its a stupid suggestion.

    You keep saying they can't be deported but you've failed to provide a valid reason why.

    I'm beginning to think you and Dean simply want to bury your heads in the sand and ignore the situation rather than deal with it.


  • #957
    boombang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭boombang


    BBC news reported it was just eight minutes between the first call and when the MET shot the assailants. Pretty impressive.


  • #958
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    I see the apologists are up early this morning!
    Glad the Police followeda "Shoot to kill" policy last night I would now arrest family and friends and if all three prayed at the same Mosque I would close it down and demolish it also investigate all who attended!


  • #959
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Who exactly do you suggest locking up?

    I've answered that question already, repeatedly.

    I would respectfully ask you to reread my earlier posts.


  • #960
    degrassinoel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    You keep saying they can't be deported but you've failed to provide a valid reason why.

    I'm beginning to think you and Dean simply want to bury your heads in the sand and ignore the situation rather than deal with it.

    the answer was in the answer there - Natural born British Subjects - British People cant be deported from Britain.


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  • #961
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭kaymin


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    But removing citizenship effectively does nothing to solve the problem.

    It stops them going to Syria, Saudi Arabia etc to be trained as terrorists. You should really try to open your mind.


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