London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

still extremely little info about the incident

wonderfullife wrote: »

Can't be 'stopped' no more than domestic robbery, drug dealing and murder can be stopped.

Things can be done to combat the problem of Radical Islamic Terror:

1. Online warfare: Disrupt and diminish the flow of ISIS propaganda across the internet - make it harder for them to spread messages of hate. CIA and MI6 are already engaged in this and they need to do more.

2. Keep bombing ISIS targets.

3. Accept more refugees from Syria, mainly children and women who are statistically less likely to be involved in radical attacks in the west. Vetted of course but we need to do more to relieve the bottlenecks in the region.

People are being sucked into the vacuum and being recruited by ISIS because they can't escape them. Give them easier ways out.

4. Pie-in-the-sky but if Israel stopped building settlements and gave the Palestinians back some of their land, it'd help A LOT.

5. Stop arming Saudi Arabia. I'd personally like to see sanctions against Saudi Arabia in the way there are sanctions against Russia.

3 might seem counter-intuitive but I believe holistically it'll improve matters.

4 & 5 are total fantasy.

In reality, 1 & 2 are definitely things we need to do more of.

1) I agree, but isn't that already happening? Has been happening for a long time apparently. Not having any effect. They appear on a list, kill people anyway.

2) I don't know about that, genuinely. I think "we" should just pull out and leave them to it. Europe had its wars and we learned the hard way, which is usually the best way. We interfere in their nation building, all we'll ever get out of it is flak.

3) Absolute madness to me. Would you care to guess why there are no Islamic based attack in Iceland? or new Zealand etc etc? The very simple answer is that they don't have a culturally competing race of people living there in significant numbers. The idea that we bring MORE in, who will have children (and second generation is where it gets dangerous) couldn't be any more of a wrong answer if it tried.

So right, I appreciate the attempt at giving counter ideas to border closure/control, but 1) is not having effect, equals business as usual and nothing changing, 2) is not going to change anything in the short-term, or in my opinion even medium term, and 3) is insanity.

And that's my problem with all of this, the alternatives to practical border closure are limp at best.

So how about doing something immediately like border closure/control, and THEN try some of the other things? Does that not make any sense, putting an order of priority that safeguards the people of Europe right now?

These types of attacks are nearly impossible to stop in places like the UK where nearly 5% of the population identify as Muslim. That's roughly 3 million people. Even if only half a percent of that number are radicalised, that's still 15,000 nutcases floating around with extremely fucked up intentions

Scary stuff but when you think of some of the atrocities being carried out by "the west" in the middle east, it's inevitable really

If you mix an extreme religion/ideology with the wests geopolitical opportunism, this is what we'll continue to see unfortunately. And that's not absolving any of these scumbags of their crimes. It's just the reality of the situation