12 years for ex-shinner

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 12:04AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Tonight of all nights, and you come out with that^

I'm speechless.

As I said, when you are ready to accept that actions have consequences get back to us.
London is a tragic place tonight. RIP to the deceased.

LordSutch · 04-06-2017 12:08AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I said, when you are ready to accept that actions have consequences get back to us.....
.

That's right, so go out and run over some people, stab them, shoot then, or just plant a bomb!

Its so honourable and brave (bot only when the IRA did it) :rolleyes:

end of the road · 04-06-2017 12:16AM

LordSutch wrote: »

You are talking about the late 60s and all the discrimination & predjuices that were realised in Northern Ireland. The SDLP (led by John Hume & Seamus Mallon) then embarked on a peaceful mission to fight for equal rights for Catholics, which was to be admired...... sadly in the other side you had violent Irish Republicanism, who had no time for peaceful deliberation, but had all the time in the world to sustain a guerrilla/terrorist campaign for the next thirty years < This was wrong & unforgivable.

There was never any need to plant bombs or shoot people.

the sdlp were not going to get anywhere. britain had made it clear it was not going to negotiate with anyone who wished to implement equal rights in northern ireland. it was in britain's interest for northern ireland to remain a sectarian, economically deprived hole.
the provos had no choice but to fight and overthrow the sectarian statelet. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it.
was the whole lot wrong, absolutely.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Oh dear.

They didn't kidnap a horse?

Or kneecap kids?

Or shoot dead Jean mconville?

Ah what's the point with you, I think you're on the windup!

they didn't kidnap a horse and didn't shoot kids. i can assure you i don't do winding up.

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 12:16AM

LordSutch wrote: »

That's right, so go out and run over some people, stab them, shoot then, or just plant a bomb!

Its so honourable and brave (bot only when the IRA did it) :rolleyes:

Dropping bombs from 20,000 feet and cruising home to be with your family honourable and brave?

Have a chill pill and some reflection there. :rolleyes:

LordSutch · 04-06-2017 12:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Dropping bombs from 20,000 feet and cruising home to be with your family honourable and brave?

Have a chill pill and some reflection there. :rolleyes:

That's what I mean, you are suggesting that the London attacks are justified because of western foreign policy... and I see your fellow Provo supporter thank's you.

Am I right?

Wheeliebin30 · 04-06-2017 12:27AM

end of the road wrote: »

the sdlp were not going to get anywhere. britain had made it clear it was not going to negotiate with anyone who wished to implement equal rights in northern ireland. it was in britain's interest for northern ireland to remain a sectarian, economically deprived hole.
the provos had no choice but to fight and overthrow the sectarian statelet. you know it, i know it, everyone knows it.
was the whole lot wrong, absolutely.

they didn't kidnap a horse and didn't shoot kids. i can assure you i don't do winding up.

OK!

Awh man you just keep giving!

Wheeliebin30 · 04-06-2017 12:28AM

LordSutch wrote: »

That's what I mean, you are suggesting that the London attacks are justified because of western foreign policy... and I see your fellow Provo supporter thank's you.

Am I right?

PIRA-Good.

Isis-bad.

Figure that one out.

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 12:33AM

LordSutch wrote: »

That's what I mean, you are suggesting that the London attacks are justified because of western foreign policy... and I see your fellow Provo supporter thank's you.

Am I right?

I didn't 'justify' anything. I said, and you don't want to hear, that actions have consequences.
All killing/violence is wrong and you will only stop it when you recognise why it is happening. You still don't want to accept that.

LordSutch · 04-06-2017 12:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

... I said, and you don't want to hear, that actions have consequences.
All killing/violence is wrong and you will only stop it when you recognise why it is happening. You still don't want to accept that.

I (most people) DON'T AGREE WITH TERRORISM.

GET IT.

LOOK AT LONDON TONIGHT.

04-06-2017 12:36AM

end of the road wrote: »

the only thing the provisional ira were guilty of out of your list was killing some civilians during their mainland bombing campaign, which nobody defends. all the other actions mentioned were caried out by people who called themselves the ira.

Well that's clearly not true.
The provos kidnapped a horse, 'disappeared ' people, killed innocent people & children and many other crimes.
I'm not sure how you can deny that when they themselves admit it?

Wheeliebin30 · 04-06-2017 12:38AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't 'justify' anything. I said, and you don't want to hear, that actions have consequences.
All killing/violence is wrong and you will only stop it when you recognise why it is happening. You still don't want to accept that.

Since when did rape and kneecapping fall under your definition of what is happening?

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 12:42AM

LordSutch wrote: »

I (most people) DON'T AGREE WITH TERRORISM.

GET IT.

LOOK AT LONDON TONIGHT.

I don't agree with violence in pursuit of your aims. It happens and has always happened and has consequences. Look at the history of the world.
I happen to believe the violence in London has a cause as did the violence here.

When those with responsibility did the right thing and created equality for all the main violence ended.
Any lesson there for you?

LordSutch · 04-06-2017 12:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't agree with violence in pursuit of your aims. It happens and has always happened and has consequences. Look at the history of the world.
I happen to believe the violence in London has a cause as did the violence here.

When those with responsibility did the right thing and created equality for all the main violence ended.
Any lesson there for you?

Lessons for me? yes, to keep on condemning terrorism, from whatever organisation it comes from, whether it by your lot in the PIRA, or the INLA, UVF, the UFF, ISIS or whoever . . .

Terrorism is not to be excused or supported.

RabbleRouser2k · 04-06-2017 12:55AM

So I'm wondering if the concert scheduled for tomorrow will be cancelled? No, I'm not trying to sound trite, or sarcastic, but I cannot see it going ahead with the new security threat.

Or if it does, it's to send a message.

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 12:57AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Lessons for me? yes, to keep on condemning terrorism, from whatever organisation it comes from, whether it by your lot in the PIRA, or the INLA, UVF, the UFF, ISIS or whoever . . .

Terrorism is not to be excused or supported.

The above are none of 'my lot'.

What do you think a middle eastern person calls those raining bombs down on them?
'Terrorist' is a meaningless and pointless word if you have a view of the world that sees everyone as equal and every country as sovereign.
When you can accept that you might see a solution to the latest group who wish to see Britain and the west pay for their actions. Simple as.

04-06-2017 01:00AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

PIRA-Good.

Isis-bad.

Figure that one out.

Never thought the PIRA wanted to declare a worldwide caliphate and kill all the unbelievers because they said God/Allah etc told them to do so.

LordSutch · 04-06-2017 01:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Never thought the PIRA wanted to declare a worldwide caliphate and kill all the unbelievers because they said God/Allah etc told them to do so.

Of course not, but they did want to bomb & shoot their way to a "United Ireland" ... which didn't work.

Goodnight.

04-06-2017 01:06AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Never thought the PIRA wanted to declare a worldwide caliphate and kill all the unbelievers because they said God/Allah etc told them to do so.

No, but they did kill many people by bombing the **** out of them, kidnapped people & horses! Kneecapped anyone they felt like.
They shot people.
They disappeared people.
They committed armed robberies.
Etc etc etc
Do you think they are better than Isis because they didn't blame god?

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 01:07AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Of course not, but they did want to bomb & shoot their way to a "United Ireland" ... which didn't work.

Goodnight.

Neither did the suprematist, bigoted sectarian, British supported statelet.
We have a Taoiseach talking about a UI now though. Must be tough for some?

04-06-2017 01:16AM

bubblypop wrote: »

No, but they did kill many people by bombing the **** out of them, kidnapped people & horses! Kneecapped anyone they felt like.
They shot people.
They disappeared people.
They committed armed robberies.
Etc etc etc
Do you think they are better than Isis because they didn't blame god?

Merely one actor in a wider conflict. They became part of and involved in a process that eventually lead to the GFA being signed. So yes they are better than Isis.

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 01:20AM

bubblypop wrote: »

No, but they did kill many people by bombing the **** out of them, kidnapped people & horses! Kneecapped anyone they felt like.
They shot people.
They disappeared people.
They committed armed robberies.
Etc etc etc
Do you think they are better than Isis because they didn't blame god?

Do you think the middle eastern person I mentioned earlier would think the people dropping bombs on them is 'better than Isis'?

Take your time there and apply some perspective from outside the parish of faux outrage.

timthumbni · 04-06-2017 01:37AM

A shinner torturing someone.... hardly surprising ffs.

I suppose it's better than raping your own daughter like that shinner gerrys nonce brother Liam for example.... wonder how he is getting on in pokey?

Possible Future SF TD in Louth in the future.(Snigger)

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 01:43AM

timthumbni wrote: »

A shinner torturing someone.... hardly surprising ffs.

I suppose it's better than raping your own daughter like that shinner gerrys nonce brother Liam for example.... wonder how he is getting on in pokey?

Possible Future TD in Louth in the figure. (Snigger)

You forgot to mention the horse hi.

timthumbni · 04-06-2017 01:54AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You forgot to mention the horse hi.

So is Liam not a "good republican" whilst the smuggler and anti tax man slab is a "good republican"...

It's hard to know sometimes with republicans. Did Gerry go for "long walks" on the beach with slab too??? Or was that just with child rapist paedophile Liam?

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 02:01AM

timthumbni wrote: »

So is Liam not a "good republican" whilst the smuggler and anti tax man slab is a "good republican"...

It's hard to know sometimes with republicans. Did Gerry go for "long walks" on the beach with slab too??? Or was that just with child rapist paedophile Liam?

We have already established that all political parties have members who subsequently commit crime. Did you miss that?

timthumbni · 04-06-2017 02:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We have already established that all political parties have members who subsequently commit crime. Did you miss that?

Well this is a thread about some wee shinner apparently "water boarding " someone. A pal of Gerry and Mary Lou by the looks of it. Was it going to be a training video for irish republicans or what???? Wouldn't surprise me to be honest.....

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 02:11AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Well this is a thread about some wee shinner apparently "water boarding " someone. A pal of Gerry and Mary Lou by the looks of it. Was it going to be a training video for irish republicans or what???? Wouldn't surprise me to be honest.....

Nah, plenty of videos and accounts of American and British soldiers torturing people available. Pointless.

timthumbni · 04-06-2017 02:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nah, plenty of videos and accounts of American and British soldiers torturing people available. Pointless.

Is paedophile irish republican Liam Adams likely to share a cell with this sf lad then? Maybe they could have some

craic????

FrancieBrady · 04-06-2017 02:19AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Is paedophile irish republican Liam Adams likely to share a cell with this sf lad then? Maybe they could have some

craic????

Not unless one of them is deported.

FTA69 · 04-06-2017 08:07AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What does that even mean? Knew about it as a party? Does as a party mean a few people? All members?

To be honest it looks like they figured out Dowdall was upto something and thats why he left.

It means that Dowdall carried out a horrendous attack on somebody unbeknownst to anybody else, later left the organisation to join a different crowd and a while down the line the cops accidentally discovered video footage of it,

Nobody knew about this incident at all so the notion that SF were facilitating him and encouraging his behaviour is b*llocks to be honest.

12 years for ex-shinner

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