Innocent Person Accosted by Kildare Mob

ToddyDoody · 01-06-2017 05:53PM

I'm trying to figure out what the role of the justice system is in cases like this.

Is the sentence Anthony Luckwill received deemed to be the period of time after which he can be safely returned to society or is it just a time period they come up with based on case law that doesn't really take risk of re-offence into account.

Also, what are the conditions of release associated with sex offences?

Mob rule usually only kicks in when people have no confidence in the justice system, which is the case here.

Raging_Ninja · 01-06-2017 06:14PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out what the role of the justice system is in cases like this.

Is the sentence Anthony Luckwill received deemed to be the period of time after which he can be safely returned to society or is it just a time period they come up with based on case law that doesn't really take risk of re-offence into account.

Also, what are the conditions of release associated with sex offences?

Mob rule usually only kicks in when people have no confidence in the justice system, which is the case here.

Sentences have nothing to do with public safety.

Grandeeod · 01-06-2017 06:15PM

anna080 wrote: »

Some awful fcuking morons on Facebook. Are they full time mammy's with nothing else for doing only scrolling their thumbs looking for the next thing to be outraged by.
Total unfounded moral panic- this is the complete opposite of civilised society.
Facebook is enabling a complete societal regression.

Facebook is becoming a septic platform prone to total and utter lawlessness. This has been furthered by the explosion in smart phones and tablets. A lot of the scrolling thumb brigade wouldn't know how to switch on a laptop. That says a lot.

ToddyDoody · 01-06-2017 06:40PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Sentences have nothing to do with public safety.

I wonder can rehabilitation programmes help?

Maybe I'm being a bit too much of a lefty on this one, but see article below.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/01/sex-offenders-rehabilitation

Grandeeod · 01-06-2017 06:43PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Mob rule usually only kicks in when people have no confidence in the justice system, which is the case here.

The case here is built on assumptions and wildfire speculation on social media. A mob rule mentality from people with no confidence in the justice system, is traditionally based on actual facts. (I don't support either scenario.)

hgfj · 01-06-2017 07:07PM

Glenster wrote: »

Yeah right on and don't judge a book by its cover and all that.

But he has a ginger beard and those glasses that have a link in the middle and on the top.

Textbook.

Do you live Monasterevin by any chance?

pilly · 01-06-2017 07:08PM

hgfj wrote:

Do you live Monasterevin by any chance?

Lives in Facebook land I'd say.

Spanish Eyes · 01-06-2017 07:12PM

Facebook needs to get a life sentence. Or those that use it now.

Dangerous place to be for anyone now.

pilly · 01-06-2017 07:15PM

Spanish Eyes wrote:

Dangerous place to be for anyone now.

It's only dangerous for stupid people.

Syphonax · 01-06-2017 07:16PM

Any of the mob who plastered this innocent mans face allover facebook should be tracked down by the guards then named and shamed by the media.

AllForIt · 01-06-2017 07:20PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I wonder can rehabilitation programmes help?

No, I don't think the scumbags of Monasterevin can be rehabilitated. I just don't think it's possible. Brain transplant might work through.

Widdershins · 01-06-2017 07:40PM

Glenster wrote: »

Yeah right on and don't judge a book by its cover and all that.

But he has a ginger beard and those glasses that have a link in the middle and on the top.

Textbook.

Ehm...any examples?

harry Bailey esq · 01-06-2017 08:53PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I was watching Prime Time this evening to see a man from Kildare describe how he was attacked on the street by a mob of morons who took such action in the belief that he was a sex offender.

The particulars of the case can be found here:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-was-the-victim-of-mindless-mob-mentality-innocent-man-fears-he-will-be-incorrectly-identified-as-sex-offender-again-35773007.html

It appears that the face of a underage sex-offender was distributed on Facebook who was wrongly believed to be living in the area and the locals set about on a hunt to find him, and accosted an innocent man that had a similar appearance to the sex-offender.

This story turns my stomach.

Those of a certain age will remember the hysteria of the scumbag who the media dubbed the 'northside rapist'. I'm going back to the mid 90s.This guy attacked a good few women in a short space of time in the bayside/kilbarrack/baldoyle area. Anyways,a photofit was made up from victims descriptions,and a barman from a pub I drank in with my family at the time got several hidings and had his home attacked more than once by 'concerned locals'. A lot of them even boycotted his workplace,and those who didn't would sit at the bar making implied threats that he'd be got when his shift was finished,and sometimes those weren't empty threats.As a result,this man had to leave his job,for his own safety indeed his sanity.Fast forward a couple of months,and the real rapist was caught in the the act in the process of attacking another woman in the area,and when questioned admitted the previous spate of attacks.While all along the poor barman had been victimised for months,often by his neighbours.A decent fella by all accounts and victim of the teenage rapist in his own right. Stomach churning indeed.

Grandeeod · 01-06-2017 09:16PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Those of a certain age will remember the hysteria of the scumbag who the media dubbed the 'northside rapist'. I'm going back to the mid 90s.This guy attacked a good few women in a short space of time in the bayside/kilbarrack/baldoyle area. Anyways,a photofit was made up from victims descriptions,and a barman from a pub I drank in with my family at the time got several hidings and had his home attacked more than once by 'concerned locals'. A lot of them even boycotted his workplace,and those who didn't would sit at the bar making implied threats that he'd be got when his shift was finished,and sometimes those weren't empty threats.As a result,this man had to leave his job,for his own safety indeed his sanity.Fast forward a couple of months,and the real rapist was caught in the the act in the process of attacking another woman in the area,and when questioned admitted the previous spate of attacks.While all along the poor barman had been victimised for months,often by his neighbours.A decent fella by all accounts and victim of the teenage rapist in his own right. Stomach churning indeed.

Now multiply that experience x1000 with the advent of the internet, smart phones and every gob****e having access to it.

The Legend Of Kira · 01-06-2017 10:07PM

Interesting podcast from 98fm from last summer " ( What This Woman Did To A Man In His Car is Disturbing ) " .

A woman was interviewed on the radio show after she posted photos on social media of a man in a car near a park that he was taking certain types of photos, when asked " what she done " by the radio host she said " she broke his phone " now for the sake of argument she was 100% telling the truth, why would you break the phone and thus destroy any evidence that he was taking these kinda photos ? why not bring the phone as evidence to the nearest garda station so the guy would get locked up ?

http://www.98fm.com/podcasts/Dublin_Talks/98FM39s_Dublin_Talks/49233/

please helpThank YOU · 01-06-2017 10:24PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Facebook did.

Well Said . `Has this happened in other countries in the world like United States America, our England, on Facebook? And if so Facebook are on the notice that people who use Facebook are `endangering innocent people`s lives like the Kildare Mob .

harry Bailey esq · 01-06-2017 10:58PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

Now multiply that experience x1000 with the advent of the internet, smart phones and every gob****e having access to it.

Its a scary thought. The bloke I referred to, the innocent barman had to see plastered posters of a photofit artists impression of the culprit on every on lampost and every electricity box.The only fleeting resemblance that he had to the culprit was that he was young and balding.Thank fook there was no facebook,he probably woulda been crucified.The rapist himself turned out to be a 19 year old loner and as far as I can recollect he received a light sentence and has been walking around years with not a bother on him but the barman who had the allegations flung his way went through absolute hell and that will haunt him for the rest of his life,in effect,he was a victim of the rapist,without being raped if you get me. Not much I can Google on the subject but I'd sure someone that lived down there during that time would remember the ins and outs of it.

The Legend Of Kira · 01-06-2017 11:16PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

AllForIt wrote: »

Facebook did.

Well Said . `Has this happened in other countries in the world like United States America, our England, on Facebook? And if so Facebook are on the notice that people who use Facebook are `endangering innocent people`s lives like the Kildare Mob .

Its happened in other countries too regarding rumors being spread about people on facebook some examples

Example 1

This rumour was spread around by some French FB users back a good few years ago.

http://facecrooks.com/Internet-Safety-Privacy/hoax-alert-thierry-mairot-pedophile-facebook-warning.html

Example 2

A guy who had the same name as the cinema shooter at the dark knight rises film had rumours spread about him that he was the cinema shooter, all started because of the same name.

https://globalgrind.cassiuslife.com/1865508/james-holmes-aurora-shooting-facebook-movie-theater-mistaken-identity-details/

Example 3

[font=ScoutLight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]" Tom Acton told police about dealers in his town, he was subjected to beatings and cruel taunts, a court heard.[/font]
[font=ScoutLight, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]False rumours were also circulated on Facebook that the 16-year-old had raped a girl. But days before he was due to give evidence against one of his attackers, he self-harmed with a blade and was found critically ill at his home. "

http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/04/boy-16-bullied-to-death-for-standing-up-to-drug-dealers-4216065/[/font]

harr · 01-06-2017 11:30PM

Anyone any idea what this mob could be charged with... maybe slander for the original post on Facebook and probably similar for the so called news website that shared the her post...would it be civil or a criminal matter ? surely the mob aspect of what happened would be a criminal offence.

harry Bailey esq · 01-06-2017 11:54PM

harr wrote: »

Anyone any idea what this mob could be charged with... maybe slander for the original post on Facebook and probably similar for the so called news website that shared the her post...would it be civil or a criminal matter ? surely the mob aspect of what happened would be a criminal offence.

I grew up in an area where vigilantes were a permanent fixture.It was people selling gear and to a lesser extent fellas robbing cars that they generally targeted.At first,they were usually spot on with the info about people who might benefit from getting bundled into a van and a forcefully thought how to reassess their lifestyle choices. I can actually remember pre tioasiach Bertie Aherne publicly saying that the vigis where doing a better job than the police in his constituency at the time,the constituency I grew up in.Then however the 'mob mentality' kicked in and people with any connection to vigis who had even the most trivial gripe against a neighbour could and did call them dealers.They inevitably became a law unto themselves, and drove a significant number of innocent families out of the area.

Glenster · 02-06-2017 12:15AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Ehm...any examples?

The first 8 images that come up when you type "paedophile glasses" into google.

AllForIt · 02-06-2017 12:16AM

harr wrote: »

Anyone any idea what this mob could be charged with... maybe slander for the original post on Facebook and probably similar for the so called news website that shared the her post...would it be civil or a criminal matter ? surely the mob aspect of what happened would be a criminal offence.

Unfortunately 'stupidity' is not against the law.

I think they should rightly be charged with assault, and their reasoning for it should not be considered in mitigation.

please helpThank YOU · 02-06-2017 12:32AM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Its happened in other countries too regarding rumors being spread about people on facebook some examples

Example 1

This rumour was spread around by some French FB users back a good few years ago.

http://facecrooks.com/Internet-Safety-Privacy/hoax-alert-thierry-mairot-pedophile-facebook-warning.html

Example 2

A guy who had the same name as the cinema shooter at the dark knight rises film had rumours spread about him that he was the cinema shooter, all started because of the same name.

https://globalgrind.cassiuslife.com/1865508/james-holmes-aurora-shooting-facebook-movie-theater-mistaken-identity-details/

Example 3

Example3 is a shocking case a young boy of 16 -years old boy is dead over Facebook false rape Rumours on Facebook . This was in 2013 what has Facebook done to stop this?. looks like to me by the story of the Mob in Kildare Facebook are doing nothing and Innocent people lives are now being but in danger by people on Facebook. What has Facebook Ireland said about this Mob in Kildare?

retro:electro · 02-06-2017 03:15AM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Same girl who put up that post claiming to see him outside supervalu, put up this post the other day after it was in the news people targeted an innocent guy in the town, once again Persons name & face blacked out for potential legal reasons in the screenshot .

Wow, if she feels that much community solidarity when they get the wrong guy, imagine the feeling when they get the right one :pac:

Hector Savage · 02-06-2017 10:33AM

Glenster wrote: »

Terrible.

But he looks SO MUCH like a paedophile.

But shave off the beard, get some contacts, wear a shirt and jeans and you'll never be called a paedo again.

What nonsense is this ??

please helpThank YOU · 02-06-2017 01:14PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Facebook needs to get a life sentence. Or those that use it now.

Dangerous place to be for anyone now.

Facebook , is now a outlet for the likes of the Kildare Mob and many more Mob gangs around Ireland and the world. This in my opinion is very `Dangerous for Innocent people of Ireland and the World when people on Facebook can `direct a mob at a Innocent person. Where is `Minister Frances Fitzgerald bring in `New laws for this to made a crime?:mad:

Glenster · 02-06-2017 01:30PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

What nonsense is this ??

I'm just saying, if you were to get a child to draw a picture of paedophile they'd draw him.

He's got the glasses with the top bar and everything.

maudgonner · 02-06-2017 02:16PM

Glenster wrote: »

I'm just saying, if you were to get a child to draw a picture of paedophile they'd draw him.

He's got the glasses with the top bar and everything.

List of things to never, ever do:

1) Ask a child to draw a picture of a paedophile
...

please helpThank YOU · 02-06-2017 03:53PM

Have any of the Kildare Mob being `banned from `Facebook` for endangering a Innocent Mans Life by using Facebook ?. To take the law into there own hands?. what are the Garda press office saying about the Kildare Mob and Facebook being used as a` tool to endangering Innocent person lives?. maybe the do not want to upset Facebook?.

VinLieger · 02-06-2017 03:56PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Have any of the Kildare Mob being `banned from `Facebook` for endangering a Innocent Mans Life by using Facebook ?. To take the law into there own hands?. what are the Garda press office saying about the Kildare Mob and Facebook being used as a` tool to endangering Innocent person lives?. maybe the do not want to upset Facebook?.

Yup it definitely is a grand conspiracy orchestrated by facebook.

Innocent Person Accosted by Kildare Mob

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