Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

dubcat51 · 31-05-2017 10:18PM

John donnelly is a ball winner and a far better option than morrisey for me.donnelly 2 mullens and tommy walsh were the best of our minors last year.think the game will bring us on alot and how ironic we meet westmeath again.

dubcat51 · 31-05-2017 10:19PM

Got my mail from season ticket today regarding the wexford game.

Mulbert · 31-05-2017 10:24PM

God help Westmeath!

davidx40 · 31-05-2017 10:29PM

Donnelly looks a better option to me aswell...
have to say ive yet to see Alan Murphy really do much from open play even his 2 years on minor team he didnt impress

dastardly00 · 31-05-2017 10:47PM

Mulbert wrote: »

God help Westmeath!

Why?

unrealtime · 31-05-2017 10:50PM

Further reflections. Dublin backs were tough and hard to deal with. Most of them got yellow cards for reckless tackling. The points we got from play were generally outstanding and showed real quality. Wides were bad and plentiful and there was much over passing and getting in the way of one owns man.

phkk · 31-05-2017 10:57PM

Happy to have got the win tonight but made it difficult for themselves in the end by coasting and overplaying the ball on more than one occasion. Standout player was Billy Ryan, he was excellent and scored some excellent points but I thought his work rate was top class. I think he has way more to offer the senior team than some of those who have already got senior experience. He has real pace and looks for a killer pass too, when it's on, something we've been missing for a while. I was also impressed with Donnelly, two great points from the wings-fine striker of the ball. Conor Doheny hurled a very good first half too.
Kilkenny looked nervous, understandably, but this game will boost the confidence.

Cornerback1 · 31-05-2017 11:40PM

Was down at the game. Kilkenny always looked in control and never looked like losing. The result was the main thing so to get through it was good. This game will bring the lads on. Dublin were edgy and conceded quite a few frees. Their No. 4 gave away 3 bad frees which were punished and got a yellow card into the bargain. Westmeath again. I saw Westmeath beat Meath last week in Trim. They scored 2 goals inside the first 2mins and never looked back. They have, from what I know, 7 or 8 lads from last year so they have a bit of experience.

Anyway, a win's a win and onwards and upwards from here!

tbiggertycome · 01-06-2017 01:42AM

Liam Blanchfield had a very bad flu over last weekend didn't travel to Carton Hse with the seniors and was really only coming out the far side of it, gave it all he had. In fact I was surprised Eddie left him on that long. I'm also fairly sure Pat Lyng had a little hamstring niggle before the game and I'd say they decided not to push him too hard while they were going well.

To be honest the biggest difference for me and the drop in intensity in the second half came from the decision to move Billy Ryan into the corner, now maybe his legs were gone from all his previous hard work but that move really hurt our HF line. Also the fact that the Dubs started playing a sweeper in the second half meant ball was always going to be harder to win up there. To be honest I'm delighted with the win and happy with the performance. They have plenty to build on and 3 weeks to do it. They also have a great draw against Westmeath as there can hardly be any complacency facing them again and tonnes of motivation.

Village87 · 01-06-2017 08:07AM

Only for Dublin drove any amount of wide's in the first half Kilkenny were in trouble, Bily Ryan & maybe Tommy Walsh looked the 2 best players potentially for Kilkenny in the long run. Have to admit i am disappointed with what i saw last night, Billy Ryan the only player capable of making an impression senior this year, others may get a run but will be only hanging in there. Was hoping Cleere would step up to the plate for the Wexford match, but seemed to get caught flat footed a lot and aerial ability needs improvement.

DickoHara · 01-06-2017 09:09AM

Both teams had terrible wides they were nearly even on that, it looked like there was something wrong with Blanchfield Ryan Bergin was targeted in the first half but when he gave the shoulder it changed then John Walsh hurled better when he came out in the second half for a while faded out of it. A lot of improvement needed would somebody tell me or was I mistaking the lad that tripped Sean Morrissey in the second half was he booked early in the first half.

unrealtime · 01-06-2017 09:32AM

I think soft yellow cards will be an important factor this year with players being sent off for nothing really - after two yellows. The hurl is the instrument by which the game is played. One should always be allowed to tackle fairly with the hurl. But some refs are giving yellows either for nothing or for a fair tackle with the hurl that goes wrong. The Dublin sending off could be repeated by refs such as Barry Kelly and that is wrong.

bruschi · 01-06-2017 10:28AM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Last year I think it was 1,200 season ticket holders probably different this year.
The capacity in Wexford was reduced to 15,000 on Health and safety grounds.
I know the Boro and the Village got an allocation of 60 tickets total with only 14 for the stand if you multiply that out for the 44 clubs your talking 2,640 plus say season ticket holders of 1,200 and say another 1000 may have got them on line or in SuperValu. I would say the Kilkenny crowd won't break the 5,000 mark. We'll be out numbered 2 to 1 but thankfully not on the field.

capacity is closer to 19,000 for the game (despite the venue not being full whilst holding 23,000 the last time the 2 teams played there in 2011) . 1,600 tickets were allocated to Kilkenny season tickets.

C__MC · 01-06-2017 11:42AM

Anyone else get the feeling KK v Wexford won't live up to its hype?

I have a feeling KK will win it with a bit to spare

So much talk going on about other counties except Kilkenny and any time Wexford have been built up, they have choked.

We have seen scenario so many times, sold out, public expecting a thriller and the game never lives up to its expectations!

bruschi · 01-06-2017 12:32PM

C__MC wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling KK v Wexford won't live up to its hype?

I have a feeling KK will win it with a bit to spare

So much talk going on about other counties except Kilkenny and any time Wexford have been built up, they have choked.

We have seen scenario so many times, sold out, public expecting a thriller and the game never lives up to its expectations!

not entirely sure when the last time Wexford were built up and choked? They havent been a decent team for 20 years now, even the 2004 team that won Leinster was more of a flash rather than a team playing at the top level consistently.

The reason there is hype about this is because on the face of it, Wexford are improving and Kilkenny are regressing. For the first time since 04, and arguably to be honest prior to that, the gap between the teams is not as big as it has been. Wexford finally have a team that people are confident about. Whether they will win or not is a completely different thing, and they also havent shown the gap at championship level has been reduced, but there is far more to be encouraged about than there has been for 20 years with this side.

unrealtime · 01-06-2017 12:49PM

Wexford won convincingly the last time we met. I would be really delighted if we can beat them in Wexford Park and I believe Wexford should be favourites to win on form given that they are at home and on a tight pitch. Much depends on Ger and Mick Fennelly and whether Padraig will be there. With those three fit and playing a full game we are in with a real chance. Joey may get away with it at full too.

C__MC · 01-06-2017 01:33PM

Just off the top of my head: 2014 beat clare & waterford (lost tamely to limerick in Q F)
2015 (KK won easy after wexford were meant to put it up to them)
2016 (Beat cork, surrounded meekly to waterford after they had been thrashed by Tipp)
2015 (There u21s well beaten by limerick)

I agree with your point that wexford recently haven't' been dining at the top table but when they have threatened to make progress, they haven't' delivered on the big day.

Have KK really regressed that much? Last years final was a disaster and tactically KK got it all wrong but after 35-40 mins, KK were in the driving seat. They have some of the finest hurlers on their team who are vastly experienced. I firmly believe they will rise to the occasion and see off wexford comfortably.

bruschi · 01-06-2017 01:51PM

C__MC wrote: »

Just off the top of my head: 2014 beat clare & waterford (lost tamely to limerick in Q F)
2015 (KK won easy after wexford were meant to put it up to them)
2016 (Beat cork, surrounded meekly to waterford after they had been thrashed by Tipp)
2015 (There u21s well beaten by limerick)

I agree with your point that wexford recently haven't' been dining at the top table but when they have threatened to make progress, they haven't' delivered on the big day.

Have KK really regressed that much? Last years final was a disaster and tactically KK got it all wrong but after 35-40 mins, KK were in the driving seat. They have some of the finest hurlers on their team who are vastly experienced. I firmly believe they will rise to the occasion and see off wexford comfortably.

none of them were chokes though. both the Clare and Waterford wins were when very much underdogs, they lost heavily to Limerick, but again, were still no way fancied to win anyway. Its not choking if you are odds on to lose.

dont know anyone who really thought they'd take KK in 2015. Beat Cork as an underdog, and lost to one of the AI favourites in Waterford. Again, hardly choking. The U21s losing to Limerick? Realistically, the only choking was the 2 years previous when the U21s lost an AI semi final to Antrim,but even so, I dont know what bearing U21 results has on the senior teams choking ability.

Wexford havent threatened to be at the top table for 20 years (albeit considering 2004 as well). They have been easily the 8-10th ranked team for quite a while, with a couple of positive results sprinkled against teams close to their pecking order.

And yes, Kilkenny have regressed. But that is obvious. Kilkenny have gone from being arguably the greatest team in the history of the sport, there is only one way you go from there, and that is down. From say 5 years ago, just after Kilkennys peak and Wexfords worst position, there was a humongous gap in the quality of the teams. That gap has shortened considerably. has it closed? Only next Saturday will tell. I wouldnt be expecting Wexford to be favourites at all, they are still building and as you say, Kilkenny still have absolute top quality, but the signs are better for Wexford at least.

tbiggertycome · 01-06-2017 03:53PM

bruschi wrote: »

capacity is closer to 19,000 for the game (despite the venue not being full whilst holding 23,000 the last time the 2 teams played there in 2011) . 1,600 tickets were allocated to Kilkenny season tickets.

We'll all I can tell you is I was talking to the KK Co. Board treasurer yesterday and he told me the capacity has been set at 15,100.

Rasputin11 · 01-06-2017 04:09PM

My Irish isn't up to much but am I correct in saying that Eoin Murphy had a brother playing for the 21s last night and Tommy Walsh a cousin?

bruschi · 01-06-2017 04:46PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

We'll all I can tell you is I was talking to the KK Co. Board treasurer yesterday and he told me the capacity has been set at 15,100.

All I can tell you is that he is wrong. The capacity will be greater than 15,000.

More public sale tickets for terraces are also going on sale tomorrow afternoon. Unless Kilkenny clubs or season ticket holders return seated tickets, then it can be taken that both seated stands are sold out. There is a curtain raiser game going to be played too.

brookville · 01-06-2017 04:48PM

Rasputin11 wrote: »

My Irish isn't up to much but am I correct in saying that Eoin Murphy had a brother playing for the 21s last night and Tommy Walsh a cousin?

Alan who was on the frees is eoins brother and tommy who was wing back is a cousin is think.shane who was corner forward is padraigs brother I thought he was lively enough while tommy was also good.I was surprised Andy gaffney didn't come on maybe he was injured also very surprised Kevin farrell couldn't make the panel he had a good club campaign last year but I suppose when you c scanlon not starting it shows the strength of the squad,they'll surely improve as they go

bodun · 01-06-2017 04:50PM

Does anyone know when was the last time Wex beat KK twice in the same year?

tbiggertycome · 01-06-2017 05:22PM

C__MC wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling KK v Wexford won't live up to its hype?

I have a feeling KK will win it with a bit to spare

So much talk going on about other counties except Kilkenny and any time Wexford have been built up, they have choked.

We have seen scenario so many times, sold out, public expecting a thriller and the game never lives up to its expectations!

To be honest I think it'll be a damp squib for 2 reasons.

1. The way Wexford play under Davy will make it attritional and horrible to watch. I went to the Tipp v Wex league semi in the park and the amount of whinging from Wexford fans when move after move broke down. I don't blame them it's horrible and very frustrating to watch when your losing.

2. I think Kilkenny will win and should have learnt from Tipp how to take them apart. The crowd may get disheartened if a big lead is opened up although I doubt this given the way they line out

dastardly00 · 01-06-2017 05:26PM

bodun wrote: »

Does anyone know when was the last time Wex beat KK twice in the same year?

I looked as far back as 1994 (Championship and League) and it didn't happen during that time frame. Any of the years that Wexford beat KK in the Leinster Championship, they either lost to KK in the League or else they were in different groups.

tbiggertycome · 01-06-2017 05:27PM

bodun wrote: »

Does anyone know when was the last time Wex beat KK twice in the same year?

1988 league and championship wins for Wexford.

Have a look at www.hurlingfacts.com has the answer to most queries like that. You change the parameters and get head to heads for any counties back to 1887 league and championship results only.

C__MC · 01-06-2017 05:30PM

I agree with your observation that KK and Wexford have been on different ends of the hurling ranking ladder in recent times. Weather the gap has closed I am not that sure. June 10th will obviously tell the tail. On paper, pound for pound and man for man, KK have a better all round team. If KK play to anywhere near there potential, they will win simply because they have better hurlers. They have guys who have done it on the big day, Wexford are still yet to.

The point I am trying to make is that wexford (from my observation) don't do well when they come into a game with expectation on their shoulders (maybe choker is the wrong word)

We have all seen it: a game that is hyped up, talked about for months in advance and generally it can disappoint.

dastardly00 · 01-06-2017 08:13PM

bruschi wrote: »

All I can tell you is that he is wrong. The capacity will be greater than 15,000.

More public sale tickets for terraces are also going on sale tomorrow afternoon.

Will those tickets be available online Bruschi do you know?

brookville · 01-06-2017 08:19PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

To be honest I think it'll be a damp squib for 2 reasons.

1. The way Wexford play under Davy will make it attritional and horrible to watch. I went to the Tipp v Wex league semi in the park and the amount of whinging from Wexford fans when move after move broke down. I don't blame them it's horrible and very frustrating to watch when your losing.

2. I think Kilkenny will win and should have learnt from Tipp how to take them apart. The crowd may get disheartened if a big lead is opened up although I doubt this given the way they line out

Tbh while I expect davy to have them wired and pretty well organised I myself expect us to win.I believe our fitness will be much improved from our last meeting and our touch should be better and the addition of kevin kelly,alyward and fennelly will strengthen the squad.Padraig will be given every chance so he'd also be a huge help if available.
Any news from their visit to carlton house or team news?

wats the craic · 01-06-2017 10:01PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Will those tickets be available online Bruschi do you know?

just in wexford park as far i know

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