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The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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  • 38%.

    Jesus.

    (Ironic)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    USA: Belief in creationism continues to decline

    Only 38% of the adult population believe in young-earth creationism, while 57% accept evolution over a long period of time, guided or unguided, gave rise to us humans.

    The 57% includes includes 19% who accept the scientifically-accurate view that evolution proceeded without divine intervention, and it's more than doubled since since figures were first collected by Gallup in 1982.

    More here:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-humans-new-low.aspx
    The 19% figure for those who believe the so-called 'scientifically accurate' view (that muck spontaneously generated life and it developed into Man via selected mistakes) ... is an interestingly low figure IMO.
    You gotta hand it to 80% of Americans for not getting taken in by that particular fable !!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    38%.

    Jesus.

    (Ironic)
    You called??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    ... and its not just in the good ole US of A ... where the skeptics are skeptical of spontaneous evolution ... and recognise the evidence for Creation.
    Quote:-
    "South Korea
    Since 1981, the Korea Association for Creation Research has grown to 16 branches, with 1000 members and 500 Ph.Ds. On August 22-24, 1991, recognizing the 10th anniversary of KACR, an International Symposium on Creation Science was held with 4,000 in attendance. In 1990, the book The Natural Sciences was written by Dr. Young-Gil Kim and 26 other fellow scientists in Korea with a creationist viewpoint. The textbook drew the interest of college communities, and today, many South Korean universities are using it.

    Since 1991, creation science has become a regular university course at Myongji University, which has a centre for creation research. Since that time, other universities have begun to offer creation science courses. At Handong Global University, creationist Dr. Young-Gil Kim was inaugurated as president in March 1995. At Myongji University, creationist Dr. Woongsang Lee is a biology professor. The Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology is where the Research Association of Creation Science was founded and many graduate students are actively involved. In 2008, a survey found that 36% of South Koreans disagreed with the statement that "Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals." In May 2012, publishers of high school science textbooks decided to remove references to evolution following a petition by a creationist group. However, the ensuing controversy prompted the government to appoint a panel of scientists to look into the matter, and the government urged the publishers to keep the references to evolution following the recommendation of the panel."

    The truth will set you free.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You don't have to go to South Korea - degrees in such subjects as surfing, the science of Harry Potter, queer music (thats what they call it), Star Treck are all available and just as pointless.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    looksee wrote: »
    You don't have to go to South Korea - degrees in such subjects as surfing, the science of Harry Potter, queer music (thats what they call it), Star Treck are all available and just as pointless.
    ... and degrees in evolutionary codology, no doubt ... as well !!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    458.jpg


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    ... and degrees in evolutionary codology, no doubt ... as well !!:D
    The Institute for Creation Research already offers courses in codology which they advertize as being at the bachelor and master level.

    A qualification - as desirable as a social disease - could be yours for as little as $25,600 (plus extras!):

    http://www.icr.edu/compare


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    458.jpg
    Guy looks like he's trying out phone-sex for the first time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    The Institute for Creation Research already offers courses in codology which they advertize as being at the bachelor and master level.

    A qualification - as desirable as a social disease - could be yours for as little as $25,600 (plus extras!):

    http://www.icr.edu/compare
    Robin ... Robin ... tut ... tut

    Sour Grapes ... eh ?:)

    ... and with state funding (to enourage diversity and all that) the cost could be brought down significantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    Guy looks like he's trying out phone-sex for the first time.
    ... one word for that post of yours, Robin ... projection !!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭druss


    http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/do/search/?q=author_lname%3A"Lee"%20author_fname%3A"Woong"&start=0&context=234296&facet=download_type%3APDF#

    Can't find Dr Lee's scientific doctorate details (not saying that he isn't suitably qualified). I can find his thesis for a Doctor of Ministry submitted to the excellent Liberty University. I'm sure they rigourously analysed the findings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,859 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    robindch wrote: »
    Guy looks like he's trying out phone-sex for the first time.

    I thought it was a priest at 1st glance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    druss wrote: »
    http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/do/search/?q=author_lname%3A"Lee"%20author_fname%3A"Woong"&start=0&context=234296&facet=download_type%3APDF#

    Can't find Dr Lee's scientific doctorate details (not saying that he isn't suitably qualified). I can find his thesis for a Doctor of Ministry submitted to the excellent Liberty University. I'm sure they rigourously analysed the findings.
    You're forgetting about the 500 PhDs who are helping him !!!:)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    Sour Grapes ... eh ?:)
    Nope - just codology as you say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Who ressurrected this thread??

    You guys really do love ... Creationism ... its your secret guilty pleasure !!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    J C wrote: »
    A year is inded a year ... but Humans (and other life) before the Flood carried a much lower 'genetic load' than we do now ... and therefore lived longer than we do now.

    That is absolute nonsense.

    I don't even have a starting point for how much this is nonsense. It would be like having to make a serious argument against "the moon is made of cheese".


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Samaris wrote: »
    I don't even have a starting point for how much this is nonsense.
    Pauli's excellent aphorism springs to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Samaris wrote: »
    That is absolute nonsense.

    I don't even have a starting point for how much this is nonsense. It would be like having to make a serious argument against "the moon is made of cheese".
    The unfounded belief that matter spontaneously organised itself into life ... and then went on to become mankind through a process of accumulating selected mistakes does indeed seem to be in the realm of a belief in a cheesey Moon.:)

    As for longevity being linked to 'mutational load' ... this is a logical inference from our current experience, whereby deleterious mutations (and they are almost all deleterious) shorten the lives of their hosts.

    ... merely calling something 'nonsense' without explaining why you believe it to be nonsense is just making an unfounded statement of derision.

    You're quite the master of the unfounded statement allright.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Somebody get this lad a medal for sheer dedication to the art of trolling.
    ... yet another unfounded invalid assertion ... you guys are providing a virtual cornucopia of logical fallacies.:)

    ... and here is the current situation in regard to Creation Science within the UK (according to Wikipedia):-
    Quote:-
    "United Kingdom
    The Genesis Expo is a young Earth creationism museum in Portsmouth, England.
    Since the development of evolutionary theory by Charles Darwin in England, where his portrait appears on the back of the revised Series E £10 note issued in 2000, significant shifts in British public opinion have occurred. A 2006 survey for the BBC showed that "more than a fifth of those polled were convinced by the creationist argument,"[56] a massive decrease from the almost total acceptance of creationism before Darwin published his theory. A 2010 Angus Reid poll found that "In Britain, two-thirds of respondents (68%) side with evolution while less than one-in-five (16%) choose creationism. At least seven-in-ten respondents in the South of England (70%) and Scotland (75%) believe human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years."[57] A subsequent 2010 YouGov poll on the origin of humans found that 9% opted for creationism, 12% intelligent design, 65% evolutionary theory and 13% did not know.[58]

    Speaking at the British Science Association's British Science Festival at the University of Liverpool in 2008, Professor Michael Reiss estimated that about only 10% of children were from a family that supported a creationist rather than evolutionary viewpoint.[59] Richard Dawkins has been quoted saying "I have spoken to a lot of science teachers in schools here in Britain who are finding an increasing number of students coming to them and saying they are Young Earth creationists."[60]

    The director of education at the Royal Society has said that creationism should be discussed in school science lessons, rather than be excluded, to explain why creationism had no scientific basis.[61] Wales has the largest proportion of theistic evolutionists—the belief that evolution is part of God's plan (38%). Northern Ireland has the highest proportion of people who believe in 'intelligent design' (16%), which holds that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[62] Some private religious schools in the UK teach creationism rather than evolution.[56] The British Humanist Association and leading scientists campaigned to make creationism illegal in state funded schools from 2011 onwards. In 2014 they achieved their goal when the Department for Education updated the funding contracts of Academies and Free Schools to this effect, and at the same time, clarified that creationism being taught as science contravened existing 'British values' requirements."

    ... all in all a very dynamic (and exciting) situation !!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    ... and happy (belated) Darwin Day to everybody.

    Here is a thought-provoking article on the 'Great' Man's Day ...

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/10/darwin-day/

    Quote:-

    "courts in recent decades have consistently rejected public school curricula that veer away from evolutionary theory. In Edwards v. Aguillard (1987), for instance, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a Louisiana law requiring public school students to learn both evolution and “creation science” violated the Constitution’s prohibition on the establishment of religion."

    If you can't beat it ... ban it ... seems to be the policy !!!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    How exactly do your last two posts support your Creationist theories JC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    looksee wrote: »
    How exactly do your last two posts support your Creationist theories JC?
    I never claimed that they support it ... I'm just providing them for information on the 'current state of play' between the two alternative 'origins' sciences.

    I would also point out the irony of the American Court System being used to initially ban the teaching of Evolution (for example, with the Butler Act of 1925, which was supported and enforced by the courts up until it was rescinded in 1967) ... and now the courts being used to ban the teaching of Creation Science and Intelligent Design.

    It would be nice, for a change, if the courts began to take a liberal position and stopped banning the academic freedom to inform people of the strengths and weaknesses of both 'origins' theories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    What you've highlighted is much the same as a science teacher insisting they have a right to go into a church of a Sunday and give a sermon on evolution as an alternative to whatever babble the priest is offering that week. It's pointless, needlessly provocative, and bordering on the deranged.
    So you think that schools are some kind of 'church' within which evolutionists practice and reinforce their faith in Atheism, (and its pet 'origins' theory of Spontaneous Biogenesis and Evolution) then?
    ... and the law should protect them (and their 'congregation' of pupils) from hearing any alternative ideas? ... even the most died-in-the-wool church wouldn't be as intolerant of alternative viewpoints as that!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Have you considered a career as a spin doctor?
    You're the one drawing the analogy between a science teacher going into a church to give a sermon on Evolution, with Creation Science being taught in schools.

    I happen to agree with you on this one ... that Evolution (which Prof Dawkins claims to make him an intellectually fulfilled atheist) being taught in school as the sole 'origins' theory is indeed analagous to a pastor sermonising in church ... with no opposing points of view allowed.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Have you considered a career as a spin doctor?
    I'd imagine the DUP might be needing a spin-doctor soon. A flat-earth creationist one, of course :rolleyes:


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    robindch wrote: »
    I'd imagine the DUP might be needing a spin-doctor soon. A flat-earth creationist one, of course :rolleyes:
    Does JC pretend to be flat-earther as well?
    I know he's claimed not to believe in the moon landings also.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    J C wrote: »
    The director of education at the Royal Society has said that creationism should be discussed in school science lessons, rather than be excluded, to explain why creationism had no scientific basis.

    FYP, you appear to have bolded the wrong bit :pac:


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  • Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    You're the one drawing the analogy between a science teacher going into a church to give a sermon on Evolution, with Creation Science being taught in schools.

    I happen to agree with you on this one ... that Evolution (which Prof Dawkins claims to make him an intellectually fulfilled atheist) being taught in school as the sole 'origins' theory is indeed analagous to a pastor sermonising in church ... with no opposing points of view allowed.

    aside from your "Golem Theory" (i.e. a being created from clay), are other world mythology origin tales to be included in the science class?

    Also, where's the demarkation between myth and science in your opinion?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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