Burka ban

robindch · 29-05-2017 11:27AM

I'm non-religious and do not support the ban

in an article from the UK's Catholic Herald from two years ago, Mary O'Regan makes the case for the wearing of various forms of head covering:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2015/04/14/women-need-to-embrace-the-empowering-veil-again/

Catholic Herald wrote:

Mow that spring is gracing us with warm air and days lit up with sunshine, it?s time to shed the heavy layers of thick winter clothes. While we are making big wardrobe changes anyway, I?d like to make a case to my fellow women for making a sartorial change at Mass: a head-covering, whether it be a springtime hat, a mantilla or a head-scarf.

For my own part, I wear a hat constantly in winter, at Mass and at home because I suffer from the cold. It?s a lovely change to be able to put my woollen caps in moth balls, and drape my head in a lace mantilla that does a better job of covering my hair that falls down my back. Surprisingly, it is very relaxing to wear a mantilla. You forget that nagging question of ?how does my hair look?? A mantilla can be especially soothing on a bad hair day, that day when you have tried to tame thick, tangled hair, but despite your best efforts, you look like a 1980s pop star who has a bad perm. A hair-covering allows a woman a respite from thinking about failed efforts at grooming, and concentrates the mind on Holy Mass, giving Our Lord the benefit of our full attention.

When a woman covers her hair, she is obscuring her crowning glory, and when a whole congregation of women do so they are voluntarily covering their beauty so that we are better placed to adore the glory of Our Lord in the Most Holy Eucharist.

It is a crying shame that since Vatican II, generations of women have fallen prey to the foul whisperings of feminists who argue that women who wear mantillas are making themselves inferior and are acting like door-mats. Ahem- the hair-coverings that are veils honour the woman?s sacred significance as the one who bears children. All things sacred are veiled.

The drive against wearing hair-coverings is in line with feminist thought which relegates a woman?s unique place as a mother to being second-best. A veil that highlights a woman?s revered role as a life-giver must be banished according to modern feminist philosophy because it does not fit into the agenda that dishonestly reduces the act of bearing a baby as merely ?a choice?. Therefore, I hold that Catholic women who wear the veil are playing their part in promoting a pro-life culture.

It really is time that women re-embraced the wearing of the veil, with the knowledge that it does not weaken us, rather it empowers by denoting our hallowed status as life-givers.

Nick Park · 29-05-2017 01:46PM

smacl wrote: »

You know it. Peace out dude! :pac:

Anyone who remembers the Furry Freak Brothers (and Fat Freddie's Cat) is really showing their age!

smacl · 29-05-2017 02:27PM

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Nick Park wrote: »

Anyone who remembers the Furry Freak Brothers (and Fat Freddie's Cat) is really showing their age!

Still have a bunch of the comics in my attic and take youngest to eat in Fat Freddies when we're passing through Galway. No more Fat Freddies in Dublin alas, nor Golden Avatar full of Hare's giving away pretty decent homemade fudge, nor Well Fed Café. No decent hippy hangouts left around the town

recedite · 30-05-2017 03:49PM

I'm non-religious and do not support the ban

robindch wrote: »

Mary O'Regan makes the case for the wearing of (the mantilla)
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2015/04/14/women-need-to-embrace-the-empowering-veil-again/

Its a good look for a Mafia widow.

robindch · 30-05-2017 07:09PM

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recedite wrote: »

Its a good look for a Mafia widow.

Melania Trump as widow?

That's an idea I can get behind.

Nick Park · 31-05-2017 01:17AM

smacl wrote: »

Still have a bunch of the comics in my attic and take youngest to eat in Fat Freddies when we're passing through Galway.

Does the Galway place still have a sign at the cash register saying 'Tipping is Good Karma'?

robindch · 12-06-2017 10:40PM

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Norway to ban full-face veil in nurseries, schools and universities:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40251760

recedite · 12-06-2017 11:03PM

I'm non-religious and do not support the ban

robindch wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40251760

Earlier this year a Muslim group, the Islamic Council of Norway, sparked controversy after hiring a communications officer who wore the niqab.
The Islamic Council - which had received government grants to improve interfaith dialogue - was criticised by the culture minister, Muslim MPs and other Muslim organisations.

robindch · 12-07-2017 09:26AM

I'm non-religious and do not support the ban

Are cars "personal spaces" where headscarves can be taken off? A lot of women in Iran seem to think so. The religious police disagree.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/11/compulsory-hijab-rule-increasingly-flouted-by-iranian-drivers

Hotblack Desiato · 12-07-2017 11:59PM

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Veil ban does not breach human rights law, European court rules

Banning the niqab and other full-face veils does not breach human-rights law, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled in two cases.

The judges found on Monday that Belgium's ban on partially or fully covering the face in public, which was introduced in 2011, was legal under the European Convention on Human Rights. They said the country was entitled to impose restrictions to try to ensure the principles of "living together" and protect "the rights and freedoms of others".

Hotblack Desiato · 13-07-2017 12:00AM

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robindch wrote: »

Are cars "personal spaces"

Most men stopped at traffic lights seem to think so

AllForIt · 13-07-2017 01:04AM

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Nick Park wrote: »

Does the Galway place still have a sign at the cash register saying 'Tipping is Good Karma'?

I prefer 'Tipping is not a town in China'.

Samaris · 17-07-2017 06:18PM

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robindch wrote: »

in an article from the UK's Catholic Herald from two years ago, Mary O'Regan makes the case for the wearing of various forms of head covering:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2015/04/14/women-need-to-embrace-the-empowering-veil-again/

Good heavens, what a lot of cobblers.

Starts with her own personal preference for wearing a mantilla - various benefits such as covering up a bad hair day, etc. Also, the auld delicate feminine mind will no longer be distracted from holy things by earthly considerations of vanity and can thus focus her undivided attention upon the Lord, which is a tad condescending.

Jump to the religious significance of it and how if -everyone- does it it is glorious to God for reasons. So moved from an argument of preference and practicality to indications that everyone should do it for religious purposes.

Now the conspiracy theory part of it - if you don't subscribe to this view, it may be down to the foul whisperings of the Devil feminists and it's dreadful altogether that since Vatican II women can wear a hat or not as they want.

Second jump back to religious significance in that it's...honouring women's roles as mothers. I don't quite see the logical jump there, but I'm gonna guess it involves;
1. Hair (as a woman's "crowning glory") is a symbol of sexual attraction.
2. Sexual attraction is only to be used for getting a mate and at that point it is no longer necessary or should mostly be seen by said mate for the prospect of children.
3. Covering up the hair signals no longer looking for a mate (and/or bad hair day) and thus that one is focussed on raising children.

I think. Wtf?

Conclusion is a mish-mash of all the other suppositions (and some nice persecution complex) melded into one with each reliant on the rest being true resulting in a circular argument and the idea that all of this "empowers" women (a word that rarely means anything specific at this point!)

But hell, this is supposed to only be going on in a church, so I suppose at least it's not indicating that veils should be worn anywhere...although exactly the same..erm...argument..could be used to justify that too.

Missus, will ye wear a hat in church if you want. Yis don't need a whole screed as to why everyone else should too.

I know this is way out of date by now, but honestly, what a load of nonsense that article was.

22-09-2017 12:51AM

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Austria, as of October 1st:

CabanSail · 22-09-2017 01:57AM

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Verboten?

MrPudding · 22-09-2017 11:29AM

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CabanSail wrote: »

Verboten?

Allowed with conditions. The condition being, being awesome.

MrP

recedite · 22-09-2017 05:54PM

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No problemo... a "French" businessman will pay the €150 fine for anyone violating the The Anti-Face-Veiling Act.
Unless of course, its The Stig who is doing the violating.

CabanSail · 29-09-2017 06:11AM

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Then this should be verboten for being offensive too.

Samaris · 29-09-2017 02:15PM

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Well, Clarkson got verboted right off the show for being offensive so I guess he is at least

Hotblack Desiato · 30-09-2017 01:49AM

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Being offensive was encouraged. Being violent was what got him fired, but the BBC can't wash their hands of for years encouraging an asshole to be an asshole and then complaining when he acted the asshole.

Samaris · 30-09-2017 09:26AM

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Okay, I grant that. I'd forgotten about the physical attack part of the altercation.

recedite · 01-10-2017 03:13PM

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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

.. but the BBC can't wash their hands of for years encouraging an asshole to be an asshole and then complaining when he acted the asshole.

If the BBC is the victim here, then aren't you engaging in a spot of "victim blaming"? BBC is the girl in the mini skirt who brings the guy home and then says "No" at the last minute.

Having said that though, you're not wrong

Hotblack Desiato · 02-10-2017 01:42PM

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What is the BBC supposedly a victim of?

recedite · 02-10-2017 01:45PM

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Clarkson's violence.

Hotblack Desiato · 03-10-2017 08:02PM

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He assaulted a person, not an organisation. But his inflated ego had been stroked for so long he probably thought he'd get away with it.

Mutant z · 03-10-2017 08:06PM

Yes its a symbol of submission to a warmongering death cult which has no place in civilized countries.

06-10-2017 06:40PM

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Mutant z wrote: »

Yes its a symbol of submission to a warmongering death cult which has no place in civilized countries.

It's a symbol of Islamic rape culture that Western feminists should be protesting about instead of whinging about wage inequality while working less-physically demanding jobs.

The Danes are banning it now.

Samaris · 11-10-2017 07:57AM

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Mutant z wrote: »

Yes its a symbol of submission to a warmongering death cult which has no place in civilized countries.

Given the last few posts, my immediate reaction was "Oh come on, Top Gear wasn't that bad.."

silverharp · 09-02-2018 02:50PM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-ban-islamic-fullface-veils-france-belgium-burqa-niqab-hijab-a8197931.html

he Danish government is poised to become the next European country to introduce a ban on Islamic full-face coverings in public places.

The government said it planned to fine people who wore items including the burqa and the niqab which are worn by some Muslim women.

Under the proposals anyone found covering their face would be fined 1,000 kroner (£120), or up to 10,000 kroner (£1,200) if they are repeatedly caught.
“It is incompatible with the values of the Danish society or the respect for the community to keep the face hidden when meeting each other in the public space,” Justice Minister Justice Soren Pape Poulsen said.

robindch · 26-02-2018 12:35PM

I'm non-religious and do not support the ban

Iceland introduces a draft law which would make it an offense for a child's genitalia to be operated on for non-medical reasons. Predictably, religious leaders are up in arms:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43111800

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