The country with the highest MDMA usage in the world...

Mr.Plough · 27-05-2017 06:21PM

Give me someone on MDMA over a drunk person any day

Arghus · 27-05-2017 06:22PM

Patww79 wrote: »

Should be a test for it. Fail and college/job gone.

Have you spent much time in the real world at all? I can't tell if you're fifteen or fifty, but you're probably on a wind up.

dirtyden · 27-05-2017 06:22PM

ED E wrote: »

Showing your ignorance there really Pat.

MDMA is closer to caffeine than coke. Not addictive and normally non harmful to the body. Heroin "junkies" are a thing, you might call them degenerates. Like alcoholics. People dont become MDMA addicts. AFAIK you cant even build up a dependency like caffeine. Alcohol is empirically more harmful but you are unlikely calling for anyone who has a pint to be thrown in the joy are you?

MDMA has been shown to irreversibly impair nerve function. In moderate doses it is most likely not particularly harmful but it is not a harmless drug.

D0NNELLY · 27-05-2017 06:23PM

Despite MDMA’s popularity in Ireland, cannabis still reigns supreme as the drug of choice for young people on the island, with 73.5 percent of respondents saying they had smoked weed in the past year.

The average age of participants was 29, with a demographic split of 68 percent male, 32 percent female. Sixty-five percent of participants in the survey admitted to taking illegal drugs in the past year.

They boasted the world wide number, but the fact that they don't reveal how many Irish survey participants they had would say it's quite low.

ScumLord · 27-05-2017 06:30PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Why are young Irish people taking so much MDMA, that is confirmed to permanently damage health?

Because it's loads of fun. People have been taking mdma since the 90s, the first users of it are now in their 40s or 50s. In the mid noughties it seemed like everyone was taking it every town in Ireland. Those people are now in their late 30's, have families, jobs, and haven't ended up with any permanent brain damage. Young people use drugs and tend to have gone through that phase by their 30s. 30% of Irish people using MDMA at least once in their lives doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.

If the medical concerns that are always brought up about drugs were true our hospitals would be over run and that's just not happening.

paleoperson · 27-05-2017 06:41PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Because it's loads of fun. People have been taking mdma since the 90s, the first users of it are now in their 40s or 50s. In the mid noughties it seemed like everyone was taking it every town in Ireland. Those people are now in their late 30's, have families, jobs, and haven't ended up with any permanent brain damage. Young people use drugs and tend to have gone through that phase by their 30s. 30% of Irish people using MDMA at least once in their lives doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.

Yes they have. The science proves it, the only question is how much. What's your idea of brain damaged, that people wouldn't be able to function at all?

Arghus · 27-05-2017 06:44PM

Sometimes I think Boards is populated with the naivest folks imaginable.

freshpopcorn · 27-05-2017 06:45PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Because it's loads of fun. People have been taking mdma since the 90s, the first users of it are now in their 40s or 50s. In the mid noughties it seemed like everyone was taking it every town in Ireland. Those people are now in their late 30's, have families, jobs, and haven't ended up with any permanent brain damage. Young people use drugs and tend to have gone through that phase by their 30s. 30% of Irish people using MDMA at least once in their lives doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.

If the medical concerns that are always brought up about drugs were true our hospitals would be over run and that's just not happening.

You need a licence to keep a dog but nothing to raise a child!

27-05-2017 06:49PM

mzungu wrote: »

According to the authors of the survey....That would go some way to explaining those ridiculously high usage figures.

Bull**** in other words

Mr.Plough · 27-05-2017 06:50PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Yes they have. The science proves it, the only question is how much.

As far as I'm aware, the jury is still out on this. Testing of animals (mice/rats I believe) showed that the doses required to produce neurotoxicity have generally been considerably higher than a human user would normally take, but smaller animals are also usually more resistant to drug toxicity than humans. I'm no expert though.

freshpopcorn · 27-05-2017 06:53PM

Arghus wrote: »

Sometimes I think Boards is populated with the naivest folks imaginable.

Correct drugs users are always very naive!

Digital Solitude · 27-05-2017 07:01PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Correct drugs users are always very naive!

That covers everyone ever then

B_Wayne · 27-05-2017 08:01PM

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If you're to include weed, imagine you'll find most people have tried one ofthem. You propose firing a large proportion of the country.

I've done weed in past, I'm rather good at my job. The guy who sits next to me has also done it, he's fantastic at his job. So basically, you propose firing the competent for something which doesn't affect their job in the slightest...

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Well, not every drug has the same effect. Personally, I wouldn't touch mdma for the uncertainty of what goes into it. I know people who have and they're far from degenerates.

By the way, hardline stances have never historically worked. Not every drug should be treated the same but treating and treating every user as a criminal will not help.

Samaris · 27-05-2017 08:22PM

I know a fair few people that would be fine with weed, but would stay the hell away from anything harder, including MDMA. None of them have gone off their heads, wasted their lives or cra - actually, one did crash into a tree, but weed wasn't involved (icy road but he was fine).

Wouldn't touch MDMA myself, but not going to jump up and down on someone who tries it.

Schwiiing · 27-05-2017 08:38PM

Arghus wrote: »

Sometimes I think Boards is populated with the naivest folks imaginable.

The rest is made of people trying to justify their own scumbag behaviour.

Collie D · 27-05-2017 08:51PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

The rest is made of people trying to justify their own scumbag behaviour.

:rolleyes:

Peregrine · 27-05-2017 08:59PM

Dr Crayfish banned for a month. Patww79 for a day.

Schwiiing, Dr Crayfish and Patww79 banned from the thread.

Everyone else, cut out the abuse and snarkiness. This got too heated too quickly.

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RDM_83 again · 27-05-2017 09:49PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Young people use drugs and tend to have gone through that phase by their 30s. 30% of Irish people using MDMA at least once in their lives doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.
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Yeah but its saying usage in the last year which is rather different, myself and a good chunk of my peers would be in the taken in their lives category but in no way would be taking with any regularity at all, in fact in relation to drugs know a lot of people that once they hit late twenties/30's gave up everything apart from alcohol.
I think there is a tendencies for the perception of number of users to be exaggerated depending on who's asking in that some people are quite evangelical about drug use.

Widdershins · 27-05-2017 10:12PM

Gosh, quite the nation of pill poppers. I find the idea of someone deliberately altering their own mind with a pill a bit unsettling and would prefer to be around a clear headed smoker or even a merry drunk than that.

The ''live a little'' comment to a different poster was a bit misjudged imo. In order to feel like you're living you need a pill, I think it's your own life you should be looking at. I would never sneer at someone like that if they expressed a dislike of cigarettes. The ideal would be to need no artificial help to function at your best through stress, or to enjoy life or to have fun or to drop inhibitions or to get to sleep or to stay awake all day. It seems most people need help with at least one of the above. It's only the smokers who get the ''that's disgusting!'' attitude, and critics of smoking rarely get a response of ''well you need to stop being sanctimonious and live a little, ya boring old fart'' .

ScumLord · 27-05-2017 10:28PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Yes they have. The science proves it, the only question is how much. What's your idea of brain damaged, that people wouldn't be able to function at all?

My idea of brain damage would be somehow impaired. Brain cells are dying every day, if you head a football you damage something like 5,000 brain cells.

What's your idea of brain damage?

uch · 27-05-2017 11:36PM

To be fair, I'd say most people have only done MDMA once, because it tastes f?ckin poxy, on the other hand, as a recovering addict, I've eaten more than my fair share, and it did me no harm, it's the harder drugs that are the problem, not the so called Rave drugs

Samaris · 28-05-2017 11:47AM

uch wrote: »

To be fair, I'd say most people have only done MDMA once, because it tastes f?ckin poxy, on the other hand, as a recovering addict, I've eaten more than my fair share, and it did me no harm, it's the harder drugs that are the problem, not the so called Rave drugs

Surely that in itself is a sign that harm was done - you were addicted. I don't know from that if you were addicted to MDMA or something else, but that sentence appears to contradict itself.

(As an aside - fair play to you for getting out of it since it's not easy and I hope your recovery keeps going well)

28-05-2017 12:29PM

I don't think you can really get addicted to MDMA. I would say marijuana is more (psychologically addictive) than MDMA.

Conservative · 28-05-2017 12:50PM

Haven't tried it for years but undoubtedly the best drug I have taken.

I remember being in work early on a Monday morning after a weekend at Witnness and I was contemplating whether it was all worth it. By 10 o clock things had got so bad I decided to drop half an E. Honestly it was best day at work I ever had.

Considering it's widespread use the number of related deaths is very low.

Mr.Plough · 28-05-2017 07:52PM

Conservative wrote: »

By 10 o clock things had got so bad I decided to drop half an E. Honestly it was best day at work I ever had.

Didn't see that coming!

pure.conya · 29-05-2017 12:13PM

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that'll learn em!

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oh the ironing lol

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really? 3 strikes and you're locked up for life (proper life as in you die in prison!) doesn't deter people in the US

silverharp wrote: »

you have to be a bit damaged to put this crap in your body when you have no idea how or where it was made.

really? despite the majority of the mdma and xtc in the world since the compound was rediscovered by Shulgin in 1976 has been produced in back alley labs, very very few have died from the billions of pills swallowed by millions, many multiples die in Ireland alone from legally prescribed over the counter drugs than have died from mdma/xtc use worldwide over the course of 40+ years

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i couldn't agree more and by you're own definition you are a prime example of one yourself

kunst nugget · 29-05-2017 12:18PM

Peregrine wrote: »

Dr Crayfish banned for a month. Patww79 for a day.

Schwiiing, Dr Crayfish and Patww79 banned from the thread.

Everyone else, cut out the abuse and snarkiness. This got too heated too quickly.

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sbsquarepants · 29-05-2017 02:05PM

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No, it like, opens your mind and shít:D

wakka12 · 29-05-2017 06:08PM

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Lots of people do drugs. I don't necessarily condone it but a good half of my year have done coke or mdma, the people in my course most of them are hard working, very motivated people who will contribute a lot to the economy after college id say. So just because they took MDMA once or twice in their college years means they shouldn't have a future?

Yakult · 29-05-2017 07:39PM

People who slam MDMA clearly don't know the benefits of the drug, look it up. You might be surprised. Side effects are no different to drugs currently available on the pharmaceutical market, but if you take it for recreational use, you are a bad person? Nice..

The country with the highest MDMA usage in the world...

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