Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

DickoHara · 25-05-2017 07:52PM

Village87 wrote: »

No as i stated before most hurlers are doing great, there are a few players over hyped and are living on the glory of great past teams, and when needed to step up in the shadows of these great players have not done so.

At the moment Kilkenny are only going moderately at underage level. Next week is a big match and i just feel that half forward line mentioned (Murphy,Lyng, Morrissey) could be under pressure, i know Murphy and Morissey played in Mullingar last year and were well out of it

Have a whinge you had a go at Cody a few months ago in the village you said as a club they would be there long after Cody was gone it was a bit nieve saying something like that considering what Bill Cody, Brian Cody did for the James stephens club from club development to Co titals . As regards Morrissey, murphy, lyng, give them a chance lyng hurled well what I saw of him this year.

JJs Left Hand · 25-05-2017 10:45PM

We've hopefully seen a change the last few years (if we ignore last year) but we've clearly dropped the ball at underage level. The development squads were too reliant on club coaches who probably had great intentions but weren't up to it and should've been changed much sooner.

Add to that our success at senior meant opportunities for anyone other than the exceptional talents was limited meant we were always in for a serious speed bump.

unrealtime · 25-05-2017 10:53PM

I don't think we were that bad at underage in recent years. The fact that we did not manage to get backdoor games (which I am opposed to in any event) did not help us to progress and caused a fair gap in our collection of titles. But we are back now and in a good place.

DickoHara · 26-05-2017 12:12AM

It gets to me when I see people so negative last year was last year hopefully they will go a long way in the championship this year. The best of luck next wed to the under twenty ones.

brookville · 26-05-2017 12:30AM

DickoHara wrote: »

It gets to me when I see people so negative last year was last year hopefully they will go a long way in the championship this year. The best of luck next wed to the under twenty ones.

I agree hopefully we get the win next week.the last few years at u21 have being very disappointing especially considering we've had decent minor teams but I'm hopefull this is a good panel but it's being said this week bout cork starting 5 u21s with very little success underage and all of them having very good games you don't need to be dominating underage but important to have a few new faces in every year.it's a great opportunity to put up their hand next wednesday

Hawkeye6 · 26-05-2017 09:19AM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

The development squads were too reliant on club coaches who probably had great intentions but weren't up to it and should've been changed much sooner.

What other kind of coaches is there?

Nedflanders02 · 26-05-2017 12:48PM

I heard a rumour this morning that Pat Lyng has been tried at full back over the last couple of weeks, has anyone else heard anything on this? If so it'll be very interesting where he lines out next Wednesday night

danganabu · 26-05-2017 01:31PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Kinda selective with your dates there!

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Wouldn't describe it as moderate at all, our 30% strike rate over the last 10 years is well ahead of our overall strike rate in the grade of about 20%. Whereas our 10% strike rate at under 21 is down on our overall of 20% in the grade, things kinda balance each other out so i would describe it as being pretty much par for the course.

I wasn't being selective at all, I was merely referencing the previous minor/u21 teams that it could be considered may still contribute something to the Senior set up, that is after all their primary function. I would argue that anyone over the age of 24 that has not made the senior panel as of yet is highly unlikely to do so at this stage.

JimboJones99 · 26-05-2017 02:17PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

I heard a rumour this morning that Pat Lyng has been tried at full back over the last couple of weeks, has anyone else heard anything on this? If so it'll be very interesting where he lines out next Wednesday night

Probably Joe Lyng, doubt it would be Pat.

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2017 03:50PM

danganabu wrote: »

I wasn't being selective at all, I was merely referencing the previous minor/u21 teams that it could be considered may still contribute something to the Senior set up, that is after all their primary function. I would argue that anyone over the age of 24 that has not made the senior panel as of yet is highly unlikely to do so at this stage.

Once again not so Shane Prendergast made his championship debut at 29, JJ Farrell at 28 and Conor O'Shea who will more than likely make his first Championship start against Wexford is 25. Ollie Walsh who is in his first year on the senior panel and also in the mix to make his championship debut this summer is also 25.

Django99 · 26-05-2017 03:58PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Once again not so Shane Prendergast made his championship debut at 29, JJ Farrell at 28 and Conor O'Shea who will more than likely make his first Championship start against Wexford is 25. Ollie Walsh who is in his first year on the senior panel and also in the mix to make his championship debut this summer is also 25.

Conor O Shea is 23. Cody in general does not seem to like bringing lads into the championship team until 22 or 23, sometimes later. Richie and TJ were not regular starters until mid 20s, same with Fennellys, Fogarty etc. The exceptions are usually a forward in a replay, like Walter or Kevin Kelly in recent years.

danganabu · 26-05-2017 04:29PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Once again not so Shane Prendergast made his championship debut at 29, JJ Farrell at 28 and Conor O'Shea who will more than likely make his first Championship start against Wexford is 25. Ollie Walsh who is in his first year on the senior panel and also in the mix to make his championship debut this summer is also 25.

And I'm not being smart or harsh but do those names not confirm the initial claim that the standard was moderate?

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2017 05:12PM

Django99 wrote: »

Conor O Shea is 23. Cody in general does not seem to like bringing lads into the championship team until 22 or 23, sometimes later. Richie and TJ were not regular starters until mid 20s, same with Fennellys, Fogarty etc. The exceptions are usually a forward in a replay, like Walter or Kevin Kelly in recent years.[/Q

Richie Hogan's break through year was '11 when he was 22, TJ Reid's was '10 when he was captain and 22(though he did lose his place to Eddie Brennan for the '11 final). Colin Fennelly came onto the panel and straight into the team in '11(though he was dropped for Cillian Buckley for the '12 replay) when he was 21. Hardly guys in their mid 20's.

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2017 05:19PM

danganabu wrote: »

And I'm not being smart or harsh but do those names not confirm the initial claim that the standard was moderate?[/QUOTE

Well with the exception of Ollie Walsh they all have All Ireland senior medals... i wish i was as "moderate" a hurler as them!

JJs Left Hand · 27-05-2017 09:34AM

Ah lad come one will ya he's right.

People citing TJ and Richie as examples of Cody waiting until they're older to make the team - look who was in front of them at the time! Context is everything.

unrealtime · 27-05-2017 12:42PM

Spot on JJ

brookville · 27-05-2017 01:20PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

I heard a rumour this morning that Pat Lyng has been tried at full back over the last couple of weeks, has anyone else heard anything on this? If so it'll be very interesting where he lines out next Wednesday night

This would be unusual alright but if his being training full back you'd imaging he'll be full back wednesday night.He did play minor in the backs so it wouldnt be alien to him.I just presumed delaney would be at 3 and cleere at 6.Any update on leahy?its a quick turnaround for the few young dubs playing galway tomorrow

Nedflanders02 · 27-05-2017 01:39PM

brookville wrote: »

This would be unusual alright but if his being training full back you'd imaging he'll be full back wednesday night.He did play minor in the backs so it wouldnt be alien to him.I just presumed delaney would be at 3 and cleere at 6.Any update on leahy?its a quick turnaround for the few young dubs playing galway tomorrow

Yeah I would have assumed the same to be honest and what I heard could be wrong also!! I remember though he hurled very well at wing back for the minors in 2014!! I think Delaney is our best option at full back and he's in good form at the minute too!! I think Leahy should be fit for Wednesday. I wonder will Martin Keoghan be near the team, he's been in great form for Tullaron lately. My team for Wednesday would be:

Brennan
Doheny, Delaney, D Mullen
Huw Lawlor, Cleere, T Walsh
Scanlon, P Lyng
Leahy, Morrisey, B Ryan
A Murphy, Blanchfield, J Walsh

brookville · 27-05-2017 02:18PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

Yeah I would have assumed the same to be honest and what I heard could be wrong also!! I remember though he hurled very well at wing back for the minors in 2014!! I think Delaney is our best option at full back and he's in good form at the minute too!! I think Leahy should be fit for Wednesday. I wonder will Martin Keoghan be near the team, he's been in great form for Tullaron lately. My team for Wednesday would be:

Brennan
Doheny, Delaney, D Mullen
Huw Lawlor, Cleere, T Walsh
Scanlon, P Lyng
Leahy, Morrisey, B Ryan
A Murphy, Blanchfield, J Walsh

Your correct bout keoghan his being going well also john donnelly,kevin farrell and andy gaffney have had their moments although I like the look of the above team

Nedflanders02 · 27-05-2017 03:47PM

brookville wrote: »

Your correct bout keoghan his being going well also john donnelly,kevin farrell and andy gaffney have had their moments although I like the look of the above team

I think it's going to be a difficult team to pick, there's a lot of lads going very well at the minute!! It's probably the strongest U-21 panel we've had in a long time, hopefully we'll see the best of them Wednesday night

Martin567 · 27-05-2017 04:19PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

Yeah I would have assumed the same to be honest and what I heard could be wrong also!! I remember though he hurled very well at wing back for the minors in 2014!! I think Delaney is our best option at full back and he's in good form at the minute too!! I think Leahy should be fit for Wednesday. I wonder will Martin Keoghan be near the team, he's been in great form for Tullaron lately. My team for Wednesday would be:

Brennan
Doheny, Delaney, D Mullen
Huw Lawlor, Cleere, T Walsh
Scanlon, P Lyng
Leahy, Morrisey, B Ryan
A Murphy, Blanchfield, J Walsh

Isn't Paddy Deegan still U21 also?

brookville · 27-05-2017 05:10PM

Martin567 wrote: »

Isn't Paddy Deegan still U21 also?

Deegan overage I'm near certain

babyjesus14 · 27-05-2017 05:18PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

Yeah I would have assumed the same to be honest and what I heard could be wrong also!! I remember though he hurled very well at wing back for the minors in 2014!! I think Delaney is our best option at full back and he's in good form at the minute too!! I think Leahy should be fit for Wednesday. I wonder will Martin Keoghan be near the team, he's been in great form for Tullaron lately. My team for Wednesday would be:

Brennan
Doheny, Delaney, D Mullen
Huw Lawlor, Cleere, T Walsh
Scanlon, P Lyng
Leahy, Morrisey, B Ryan
A Murphy, Blanchfield, J Walsh

I stand to be corrected on this but i think Lawlor is overage.

dubcat51 · 27-05-2017 06:36PM

Like that side except would put donnelly in for morissey.

Nedflanders02 · 27-05-2017 08:26PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I stand to be corrected on this but i think Lawlor is overage.

I'm nearly sure Lawlor captained OLG to win the minor in 2014 so think he is underage, Deegan is definitely overage though

brookville · 27-05-2017 08:29PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I stand to be corrected on this but i think Lawlor is overage.

Maybe he is but I thought it was said here before his underage.I'd expect morrisey to start considering he was involved with the seniors but I seen him in the last two bridge matches he was poor I'd have gaffney or donnelly ahead of him.When will the 21 team be named,Monday or Tuesday?

babyjesus14 · 27-05-2017 09:37PM

Nedflanders02 wrote: »

I'm nearly sure Lawlor captained OLG to win the minor in 2014 so think he is underage, Deegan is definitely overage though

Now that you mention it, was that the guy who was playing centre back and was the standout hurler on the pitch until he got sent off on a second yellow with about 10 minutes to go?

babyjesus14 · 27-05-2017 09:45PM

brookville wrote: »

Maybe he is but I thought it was said here before his underage.I'd expect morrisey to start considering he was involved with the seniors but I seen him in the last two bridge matches he was poor I'd have gaffney or donnelly ahead of him.When will the 21 team be named,Monday or Tuesday?

Yeah aside from his underwhelming Senior debut against Waterford, have seen Morrissey with the 'bridge and St Pats and didn't stand out as a potential Senior hurler on either occasion. His progress seems to have stalled atm.

brookville · 27-05-2017 10:56PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Yeah aside from his underwhelming Senior debut against Waterford, have seen Morrissey with the 'bridge and St Pats and didn't stand out as a potential Senior hurler on either occasion. His progress seems to have stalled atm.

A lot lad told me before don't mind what he scores it's his runs,work and setting up is the reason his earmarked bit as I said I looked at him against the village and Clara and I wasn't impressed granted I thought blanch should of done more in both games also so maybe I'm being just to critical.Blanch is definitely work in progress for the county and he'll probably make it hopefully morrisey will be the same.I'm really excited for wednesday night I'd say there'll be a decent crowd.tg4 also showing it

Village87 · 29-05-2017 11:00AM

When will the under 21 team be picked ?

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