Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

23-05-2017 01:54AM

darced wrote: »

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This 100%

Its the same in soccer when the pundits go back in slow motion and say "he should have done this here" etc.... It's all done in fractions of a second and its just instinct, he didn't have time to think "Bisping is down, I better get one more in". He was just making sure he won the fight, was a brutal last punch though.

Mellor · 23-05-2017 03:40AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Just my 2 cents but it wouldn't hurt the UFC to try get a new PPV deal next time they re-negotiate it - specifically to include dynamic pricing for their PPV's.

Charging $60 for McGregor v Alvarez at MSG with a great undercard.
Charging $60 for Holm v de Randamie and a muck undercard.

I don't know if it would ultimately work in their favour but off the top of my head it feels like a good idea to lower the price of the weaker PPV's. It might not change much financially but it would almost certainly result in more eyeballs on the event that night and far more publicity for the fighters in action.

I think that would harm them more than help them.
Thy aren't going to be able to increase the price of top events. But the crap events get cheaper.
By having a flat pricing, customers are forced to suck it up because that's the price.

darced wrote: »

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I'd have no problem with Conor, or anyone, even Hendo following up. If they were going for the kill on instinct. I don't expect anyone to stop and process the situation. I wouldn't myself.

The whole issue around that is because he said he was aware. He knew he was out and dropped the elbow intentionally.
Now maybe that's not necessarily true. Maybe he's sticking the boot in one last time with the adrenaline going.

Deleted User wrote: »

This 100%
Its the same in soccer when the pundits go back in slow motion and say "he should have done this here" etc.... It's all done in fractions of a second and its just instinct, he didn't have time to think "Bisping is down, I better get one more in". He was just making sure he won the fight, was a brutal last punch though.

Except that he specifically said he knew Bisping was out, he got the second one in to shut him up a bit.

The more I think about it, it's the stupidity of the comment that actually bugs me. The sport struggles at the best of time. And we've all had to justify ground strikes, and how hitting a borderline unconscious fighter up until the ref stops is actually safer than standing them up and giving them 10 seconds to recover. How the fighters are just there to get the stoppage, not hurt their opponent. etc etc.
His comments completely undermine that. If something had of happened afterwards. They'd have been ripped apart.

rob316 · 23-05-2017 09:59AM

That is split second stuff pure instinct, you strike and don't stop till the referee steps in. They cant all be Mark Hunts.

callaway92 · 23-05-2017 11:24AM

Utterly sickening

Django99 · 23-05-2017 05:29PM

Yeah it was the comment that was stupid. Can't call him a scumbag in my opinion, he's in a fist fight.

I also wouldn't really call him a scumbag because of the PED aspect. Sure he took them, but that was pretty much the norm for MMA fighters. Also, we never get the full story when it comes to failed drug tests so I don't like to form too strong of an opinion on the matter either way.

There's a lot who fell that virtually every top athlete uses them, and I wouldn't be in anyway surprised if that was true. A lot of people are confident that McGregor, Bisping and the Diaz brothers aren't using them, but that's only because they speak out against them.

MartyMcFly84 · 24-05-2017 09:46AM

There are over the counter supplements in the states that are stocked beside protein powders that are on the USADA banned list.

Depp · 24-05-2017 03:23PM

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

There are over the counter supplements in the states that are stocked beside protein powders that are on the USADA banned list.

yeah but trt isnt one of them

Lukker- · 24-05-2017 03:24PM

Depp wrote: »

yeah but trt isnt one of them

You're going to the wrong supplement shops

Outlaw Pete · 25-05-2017 02:36AM

Argued this around the time of the Hendo fight also but isn't it really easy to implement a rule that when an opponent 'falls' to the canvas (as opposed to going to a knee) after having being struck, the attacking fighter must look to the ref to see if it they can continue the attack or not. If the ref thinks they can... they just give a proceed signal.. if not, they declare the fight over.

HenryHill · 25-05-2017 08:18AM

Lukker- wrote: »

You're going to the wrong supplement shops

Name a supplement that mimics trt (genuinely interested)

Mellor · 25-05-2017 09:31AM

HenryHill wrote: »

Name a supplement that mimics trt (genuinely interested)

TRT is the treatment/therapy, what they are taking is simply testosterone, the most fundamental anabolic steroid there is.
The only things that while replicate testosterone are other anabolic steroids, or similar drugs. I don't think you can pick up that sort of stuff OTC anymore.
Test boosters, legal-steroids, or anything with a suggestive name is most likely bollox.

The WADA banned stuff you can get OTC is most likely stimulant type stuff. An olympic swimmer a few years failed a drug test due to a vicks inhaler (contained amphetamines)

raze_them_all_ · 25-05-2017 09:33AM

Mellor wrote: »

TRT is the treatment/therapy, what they are taking is simply testosterone, the most fundamental anabolic steroid there is.
The only things that while replicate testosterone are other anabolic steroids, or similar drugs. I don't think you can pick up that sort of stuff OTC anymore.
Test boosters, legal-steroids, or anything with a suggestive name is most likely bollox.

The WADA banned stuff you can get OTC is most likely stimulant type stuff. An olympic swimmer a few years failed a drug test due to a vicks inhaler (contained amphetamines)

You would be amazed by the sheer amount of professional rugby soccer tennis and cyclists that seem to have asthma!

Mellor · 25-05-2017 10:31AM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

You would be amazed by the sheer amount of professional rugby soccer tennis and cyclists that seem to have asthma!

Not surprised at all. High level sport appears to be detrimental to your respiratory system.

So much so that common asthma drugs were taken off the wada list to save them having to apply for all the TUEs. They were issuing so many TUEs for asthma, that they just took common asthma drugs off the banned list a few years back.

Plus a lot of asthma/decongestant medications that requires a prescription in europe, are available OTC in the states, like stronger versions of sudafed.

MartyMcFly84 · 25-05-2017 10:38AM

DHEA is example of one you can buy as easily as amino acids in health food shops.

There has not been definitive studies on it but it is still on the NCAA and NFL banned list.

Outlaw Pete · 25-05-2017 08:57PM

Oscar ain't happy about the possibility there could be a Mayweather v McGregor bout anyway.

To my fellow #boxing fans:

I write in the hopes that together we can protect the sport of boxing.

With each passing day, it looks more and more likely that the circus known as Floyd Mayweather Vs. Conor McGregor will be coming to town in the near future.

As undercard fights start to take form, athletic commissions give their blessings in exchange for millions of dollars and the fighters start counting even more cash, one group will eventually be left to make sure this farce doesn’t occur.

We, the fans, who are the lifeblood of our sport.

Boxing is starting to dig out of the hole that Floyd and Manny Pacquiao shoveled by waiting seven years to put on a fight that ended up being as dull as it was anti-climactic.

2017 has started off as a banner year for boxing. Joshua vs. Klitschko; Thurman vs. Garcia; Golovkin vs. Jacobs; Canelo vs. Chavez. All four of these fights – and many more -- have brought the fight game back and reinvigorated interest from the ever-elusive casual fan.

But if you thought Mayweather/Pacquiao was a black eye for our sport – a matchup between two of the best pound-for-pound fighters that simply didn’t deliver -- just wait until the best boxer of a generation dismantles someone who has never boxed competitively at any level – amateur or professional.

Our sport might not ever recover.

I fully understand the initial attraction from any fan of combat sports. McGregor is almost certainly the best pound-for-pound MMA fighter.

Floyd is Floyd — the most dominant boxer of his time.

But success in one sport does not guarantee success in another. Far from it. And let’s be clear, these are two different sports -- from the size of the gloves fighters wear, to the size and shape of the ring, to the fact the one sport allows combatants to use their legs to strike.

Think about it, beyond Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, what other athlete has successfully competed in two sports in the modern age?
And Jackson and Sanders both played both baseball and football throughout their high school and college careers before going professional.

Furthermore, it’s not like McGregor would be fighting a good fighter, let alone a mediocre one. He would be fighting the best. To use a bit of an extreme analogy, I happen to be a pretty good golfer. Could I potentially hold my own on one of the second-tier tours? Maybe. But would I be able to compete with Rory McIlroy, Jordan Speith or Sergio Garcia? Of course not. Nor would I think to try.

Now, I know critics will say that I’m only writing this letter because my company is promoting what will be the culmination of an outstanding boxing year when Canelo Alvarez takes on Gennady “GGG” Golovkin in September, and I don’t want anything to distract attention away from that fight.

But my interest is in the health of boxing as a whole. It always has been.

And if Floyd were to come out of retirement to take on someone like Keith “One–time” Thurman, Errol Spence or some other top welterweight, not only would I applaud the fight, I’d be the first one on line for a ticket.

That kind of fight is what the fans – and I am a fan first -- deserve.

Which brings me back to the circus.

Floyd’s and Conor’s motivation is clear. It’s money. In fact, they don’t even pretend it’s not. But it’s also a lack of consequences for when the fight ends up being the disaster that is predicted. After this fight, neither of them will need us anymore. Floyd will go back to retirement -- presumably for good this time with another nine-figure paycheck -- and Conor will go back to the UFC.

It’s a win-win for them. It’s a lose-lose for us. We’ll be $100 lighter and we will have squandered another opportunity to bring boxing back to its rightful place as the sport of kings.

At this point, only we can shut the circus down by making it clear that we won’t pay to see a joke of a fight and telling our casual-fan friends that they shouldn’t either.

Sincerely,

Oscar

spix · 25-05-2017 09:00PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oscar ain't happy about the possibility there could be a Mayweather v McGregor bout anyway.

What a fool. He's on record saying McGregor vs Canelo is a good idea.

Gamebred · 25-05-2017 09:01PM

Worried about people buying the freakshow and not the Canelo fight and directly effecting his pocket, joke of a statement little whinger hope the Mayweather fight goes ahead now to annoy him alone.

zuutroy · 25-05-2017 09:03PM

What a load of salty crap.

Swashbuckler · 25-05-2017 09:06PM

He's 100% right.

25-05-2017 09:07PM

Dana saying if Conor gets the Floyd fight he might not fight in the UFC again

In saying that if he might not even fight again, strip him of the freaking belt and let people who actually want to compete in mma fight for it.

cletus · 25-05-2017 09:25PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

He's 100% right.

Except that the real issue is he's not getting the promoters cut

Swashbuckler · 25-05-2017 09:36PM

cletus wrote:

Except that the real issue is he's not getting the promoters cut

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

spix · 25-05-2017 09:44PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

Besides the obvious motive, when he says "Our sport might not ever recover" makes me think Oscar is afraid that mcgregor might beat mayweather and give a bad name to boxers. What else could he mean by not ever recover?

Mean Laqueefa · 25-05-2017 09:48PM

spix wrote: »

Besides the obvious motive when he says "Our sport might not ever recover" makes me think Oscar is afraid that mcgregor might beat mayweather and give a bad name to boxers. What else could he mean by not ever recover?

Devastating loss to his own pocket in sales, doesnt matter if its Conor 0-0 as a boxer , they are all there for the money. Boxing will still be around.

He is being a slight dick and a promoter st the same time, just like dana

Jamiekelly · 25-05-2017 09:58PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

He claims to be doing it for the health of the sport. The problem with that is it's all about the money, always has been and always will be. That entire letter reads as a call to make boxing "philantropic" in its nature. He referenced the Pacman vs Mayweather fight as anti-climactic (which it clearly was) as if that is reason enough not to push for superfights.

Boxing is dying already, the PPV numbers of all the fights he himself listed are a fraction of what boxing PPV's were in the 90's and early 00's. The chap needs to realise that the internet helped to kill boxing with free streaming and cut price subscriptions to compete with traditional TV PPV buys.

Even though he has a solid point to make (I don't dispute that) there is a serious whiff of jealousy from this. As well as a clear over exaggeration. We all know that if he was offered a really dumb fight on the undercard (vs Mike Tyson for eg.) and was offered a cut of the PPV then he would be all over it like a rash without opening his mouth in opposition.

If this fight actually does kill boxing, then that's the fault of greedy promoters, boring fighters and zero innovation in the sport itself. He clearly doesn't want an MMA fighter to get a boxing sized PPV cut. Loyalty to the sport and all that.

Burial. · 25-05-2017 11:06PM

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

ricero · 25-05-2017 11:34PM

Burial. wrote: »

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

Boxing has been stale for years. 2017 is the buck in the trend for a sport thats being in slow motion since pacquio vs mayweather. Sure golovkins last ppv flopped badly i think even ufc 208 with holly holm even sold more.

Fans began to get pissed off with fighters ducking each other, uncompetitive fights and greedy promoters.

One thing i love about the ufc over boxing is that us fans get what we want 99% of the time

Burial. · 25-05-2017 11:55PM

ricero wrote: »

Boxing has been stale for years. 2017 is the buck in the trend for a sport thats being in slow motion since pacquio vs mayweather. Sure golovkins last ppv flopped badly i think even ufc 208 with holly holm even sold more.

Fans began to get pissed off with fighters ducking each other, uncompetitive fights and greedy promoters.

One thing i love about the ufc over boxing is that us fans get what we want 99% of the time

2016 was a bloody fine year for Boxing. Ward/Kovalev, Golovkin/Brook, Gonzalez/Cuadras, Santa Cruz/Frampton, Thurman/Porter. The best fighting the best and garnering a lot of attention. Terrific match-ups happening in Boxing regularly, Spence/Brook this weekend being the nearest one to date. Also the numbers don't lie. Joshua/Wlad did over a million, as did Canelo/Chavez. Canelo/Golovkin is a guaranteed million. You've P4P fights between the likes of Ward/Kovalev to boot.

Meanwhile UFC's year has been pretty stale. Big fight after big fight falling through. You're relying on McGregor to get his head out of his ass and Cormier/Jones to get their sh*t together to have a somewhat decent year. Even the Woodley/Thompson rematch was a bust. If anything it's UFC fighters making more excuses trying to dodge fights too.

Boxing is in a fine place, finally getting over old fighters passing off allowing new blood coming through to invigorate the sport again. Guys like Lomachenko are having stellar years and breaking into popular culture. If Spence wins Saturday he'll become a superstar. You've guys in Asia buzzing around waiting for their move stateside. Boxing in Britain has never been so prominent. He'll even Boxing in New Zealand is getting a buzz with a HW champ there. Can you say the same about UFC in 2017?

Jamiekelly · 26-05-2017 06:29AM

Burial. wrote: »

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-grossing-boxing-ppv-fights-of-all-times/

PPVs say differently.

Grizzly Bear11 wrote: »

You are talking nonsense, the three biggest PPV sales in history were in 2007, 2013 and 2015.

Now you have exciting boxers like Anthony Joshuy, Golovkin, Canelo, Spence, Thurman, Brook, lomachenko etc. You couldn't be more wrong. Boxing is flourishing right now.

All by Floyd Mayweather... In fact, Outside of Floyd and Tyson, there is no major boxing PPV draw in the past decade. Mcgregor's last UFC fight beat Pacquiao's last solo PPV buyrate ffs. Exciting boxers are all well and good, but all of the boxers you mentioned lack any real charisma.

Financially boxing is dying.

Mellor · 26-05-2017 07:30AM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

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http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-grossing-boxing-ppv-fights-of-all-times/

PPVs say differently.

You might want to check the date on that article. It's hardly going to list fights that didn't happen.

But according to that, only one fight in the 90's broke 1.5m.
You claimed that the Joshua Klitschko fight was a fraction of that. I think you should double check that tbh. By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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