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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 3.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Any "Do you even train Bro?" or "I'm an mma fan longer than you" type posts are not permitted either. They only make you look like a fool and as a result, everyone hates you. Yes everyone.

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Lukker-

CatFromHue wrote: »

I really do struggle at how if this fight goes ahead it'll be the end of boxing.

Floyd is not a belt holder, has no mandatories, is retired, will be retired a full 2 years if the fight is made, and is 40 years old!!!

I dunno what Oscar is talking about.

Floyd wants to fight Conor in September, which is when Canelo is fighting GGG.

He's worried(rightly) that if Conor/Floyd goes ahead it will absorb all the attention from GGG vs Canelo.

GGG vs Canelo is the first time in a long while where two legit P4P guys who are fighting each other and also happen to be big PPV draws.(Ward vs Kovalev are two P4P greats, neither were PPV draws) Without Conor vs Floyd it could break 1.5m/2m PPV buys. If Conor Floyd happens in the same month, not a chance.

CatFromHue

I really do struggle at how if this fight goes ahead it'll be the end of boxing.

Floyd is not a belt holder, has no mandatories, is retired, will be retired a full 2 years if the fight is made, and is 40 years old!!!

I dunno what Oscar is talking about.

Lukker-

evil_seed wrote: »

If boxing is dying how come McGregor wants a boxing match?

evil_seed

If boxing is dying how come McGregor wants a boxing match?

xtal191

http://www.boxingscene.com/wba-turns-back-on-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-fight--116947

Burial.

Touchbutt isn't a sport, it's a way of life.

EagererBeaver

Mellor wrote: »

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

Absolutely, I'm not even talking about PPV or viewer numbers. Even PPV numbers (wonder gonna crack up at this statement) is increasingly unreliable for assessing the state of things because of illegal streaming and the like.

These are just statements that people spout without anything to back it up. One lad the other day claimed American boxing was dead ffs.

Mellor

This is different, it's called ButtTouch, it's great, huge, the biggest ever, doubly huge

dashoonage

Mellor wrote: »

Your sport will be toppled tomorrow when I round up 4 lads and show them the new sport I invented

touchbutt has already been done man.

Mellor

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I invented a new sport today. It has 3 new players already a player increase of 300%. Fastest growing sport in the world

Your sport will be toppled tomorrow when I round up 4 lads and show them the new sport I invented

Django99

Neither sport is dying really. After a couple of bad years boxing is coming back to its best with top fighters across multiple divisions. MMA has had a slow start this year but that will pick up, a lot of the bigger draws just happen to be out for one reason or another at the moment. People expecting WME to make back their money in a few years, not how big business works it was a long term investment. Any changes they want to make will take a while to bring in, they an afford a bedding in period.

Lots of people compare the sports by PPV numbers, not really a relevant comparison. UFC is PPV in US and Canada, the two biggest markets they have. It's free to watch in most of the world. The TV deals they have elsewhere are not worth that much, because the timing of events means they are not at peak times in most of the world.

Boxing has huge, huge viewership in Germany and Eastern Europe where it's mostly on TV. But the TV deals in place are for big money, it's an alternative to the PPV model. UK has lower PPV prices for most events. US still has expensive PPV, but lower numbers. Overall though, far far more people watch boxing around the world. MMA is still primarily an American thing, boxing is popular world wide.

The McGregor Mayweather fight isn't about boxing, or MMA, it's about money. Nothing more nothing less. A novelty fight in every way. People want to see it and will pay for it, so everyone involved has decided it's worth it for the money.

Nobody from either sport should care about the outcome, and fans shouldn't either. It's like when Ali fought the wrestler, it was just for show. That was such a disappointment I would have thought people would be more sceptical of McGregor trying to box Mayweather to be honest.

It won't matter what happens on the night in the slightest though, because the money will have been agreed long before. Whether anyone thinks that this is right or wrong, at least we should realise that it's not about the sports at all.

raze_them_all_

Mellor wrote: »

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

I invented a new sport today. It has 3 new players already a player increase of 300%. Fastest growing sport in the world

Mellor

EagererBeaver wrote: »

People swallow and regurgitate the lines about boxing being dead and MMA being the "fastest growing sport in the world" without any evidence whatsoever.

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

cletus

I thought this debate was done years ago. Why does it have to be one or the other. There's no reason both sports can't continue to exist and prosper. I am happy there is so much readily available combat sports to watch, be it boxing, mma, grappling or kickboxing.

The one thing I would say is that, while top pay in boxing is higher than that of mma, the pay as you go down the card would seem to be more equitable

EagererBeaver

People swallow and regurgitate the lines about boxing being dead and MMA being the "fastest growing sport in the world" without any evidence whatsoever.

Jamiekelly

Mellor wrote: »

You might want to check the date on that article. It's hardly going to list fights that didn't happen.

But according to that, only one fight in the 90's broke 1.5m.
You claimed that the Joshua Klitschko fight was a fraction of that. I think you should double check that tbh. By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

You're right. My mistake

dulux99

Anyone who thinks boxing is ‘dying’ has either got their head in the sand, or is woefully misinformed. On this side of the pond especially, the sport has never been in a better place.

MMA on the other hand is struggling to make stars, probably half of the athletes under the flagship brand are barely scraping minimum wage, lots of whom are making a loss by competing. The only people making any real money from MMA are the absolute elite level top dogs, and this trend isn’t going to change any time soon with the new ownership. The Fertita’s bailed at the right time unquestionably. MMA will struggle over the next 5 to 10 years to attract young athletes to the sport.

Mellor

Jamiekelly wrote: »

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http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-grossing-boxing-ppv-fights-of-all-times/

PPVs say differently.

You might want to check the date on that article. It's hardly going to list fights that didn't happen.

But according to that, only one fight in the 90's broke 1.5m.
You claimed that the Joshua Klitschko fight was a fraction of that. I think you should double check that tbh. By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

Jamiekelly

Burial. wrote: »

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/highest-grossing-boxing-ppv-fights-of-all-times/

PPVs say differently.

Grizzly Bear11 wrote: »

You are talking nonsense, the three biggest PPV sales in history were in 2007, 2013 and 2015.

Now you have exciting boxers like Anthony Joshuy, Golovkin, Canelo, Spence, Thurman, Brook, lomachenko etc. You couldn't be more wrong. Boxing is flourishing right now.

All by Floyd Mayweather... In fact, Outside of Floyd and Tyson, there is no major boxing PPV draw in the past decade. Mcgregor's last UFC fight beat Pacquiao's last solo PPV buyrate ffs. Exciting boxers are all well and good, but all of the boxers you mentioned lack any real charisma.

Financially boxing is dying.

Burial.

ricero wrote: »

Boxing has been stale for years. 2017 is the buck in the trend for a sport thats being in slow motion since pacquio vs mayweather. Sure golovkins last ppv flopped badly i think even ufc 208 with holly holm even sold more.

Fans began to get pissed off with fighters ducking each other, uncompetitive fights and greedy promoters.

One thing i love about the ufc over boxing is that us fans get what we want 99% of the time

2016 was a bloody fine year for Boxing. Ward/Kovalev, Golovkin/Brook, Gonzalez/Cuadras, Santa Cruz/Frampton, Thurman/Porter. The best fighting the best and garnering a lot of attention. Terrific match-ups happening in Boxing regularly, Spence/Brook this weekend being the nearest one to date. Also the numbers don't lie. Joshua/Wlad did over a million, as did Canelo/Chavez. Canelo/Golovkin is a guaranteed million. You've P4P fights between the likes of Ward/Kovalev to boot.

Meanwhile UFC's year has been pretty stale. Big fight after big fight falling through. You're relying on McGregor to get his head out of his ass and Cormier/Jones to get their sh*t together to have a somewhat decent year. Even the Woodley/Thompson rematch was a bust. If anything it's UFC fighters making more excuses trying to dodge fights too.

Boxing is in a fine place, finally getting over old fighters passing off allowing new blood coming through to invigorate the sport again. Guys like Lomachenko are having stellar years and breaking into popular culture. If Spence wins Saturday he'll become a superstar. You've guys in Asia buzzing around waiting for their move stateside. Boxing in Britain has never been so prominent. He'll even Boxing in New Zealand is getting a buzz with a HW champ there. Can you say the same about UFC in 2017?

ricero

Burial. wrote: »

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

Boxing has been stale for years. 2017 is the buck in the trend for a sport thats being in slow motion since pacquio vs mayweather. Sure golovkins last ppv flopped badly i think even ufc 208 with holly holm even sold more.

Fans began to get pissed off with fighters ducking each other, uncompetitive fights and greedy promoters.

One thing i love about the ufc over boxing is that us fans get what we want 99% of the time

Burial.

Boxing isn't dying. 2017 thus far has been the best year for Boxing in years and there are some mega fights still to happen later this year. Please don't be so ignorant.

Jamiekelly

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

He claims to be doing it for the health of the sport. The problem with that is it's all about the money, always has been and always will be. That entire letter reads as a call to make boxing "philantropic" in its nature. He referenced the Pacman vs Mayweather fight as anti-climactic (which it clearly was) as if that is reason enough not to push for superfights.

Boxing is dying already, the PPV numbers of all the fights he himself listed are a fraction of what boxing PPV's were in the 90's and early 00's. The chap needs to realise that the internet helped to kill boxing with free streaming and cut price subscriptions to compete with traditional TV PPV buys.

Even though he has a solid point to make (I don't dispute that) there is a serious whiff of jealousy from this. As well as a clear over exaggeration. We all know that if he was offered a really dumb fight on the undercard (vs Mike Tyson for eg.) and was offered a cut of the PPV then he would be all over it like a rash without opening his mouth in opposition.

If this fight actually does kill boxing, then that's the fault of greedy promoters, boring fighters and zero innovation in the sport itself. He clearly doesn't want an MMA fighter to get a boxing sized PPV cut. Loyalty to the sport and all that.

Mean Laqueefa

spix wrote: »

Besides the obvious motive when he says "Our sport might not ever recover" makes me think Oscar is afraid that mcgregor might beat mayweather and give a bad name to boxers. What else could he mean by not ever recover?

Devastating loss to his own pocket in sales, doesnt matter if its Conor 0-0 as a boxer , they are all there for the money. Boxing will still be around.

He is being a slight dick and a promoter st the same time, just like dana

spix

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

Besides the obvious motive, when he says "Our sport might not ever recover" makes me think Oscar is afraid that mcgregor might beat mayweather and give a bad name to boxers. What else could he mean by not ever recover?

Swashbuckler

cletus wrote:

Except that the real issue is he's not getting the promoters cut

I don't disagree with anything he said to be honest. Maybe he has a motive. Maybe not. He's still right

cletus

Swashbuckler wrote: »

He's 100% right.

Except that the real issue is he's not getting the promoters cut

[Deleted User]

Dana saying if Conor gets the Floyd fight he might not fight in the UFC again

In saying that if he might not even fight again, strip him of the freaking belt and let people who actually want to compete in mma fight for it.

Swashbuckler

He's 100% right.

zuutroy

What a load of salty crap.