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Imhof Tank · 24-05-2017 12:38PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

You're joking, it was edited? I'll have a listen back, but that is really sinister if they are now editing out opinions that don't "fit". There was nothing hugely upsetting about anything that Kenny said. He basically said that if you make the decision to leave the UK and go and fight in the middle east, then you should not be allowed back in.

Fighting for ISIS is a crime isn't it (?), so when they try to come back in they are supposed to be immediately locked up. In fact they go further than that and try to get them on their way out of the UK, there was a case at Luton this morning I think.

Kenny was riled up for sure, understandable as he lives in the London area, but in fairness he went a bit further than what you mention in the piece I heard, calling for the police to "go into these areas" and sort out the lads who they "know" are involved. So racial profiling, internment and reverse the presumption of innocence basically. I was wondering if Joe would mention the Irish experience as a counterpoint but little chance of that.

solderon · 24-05-2017 06:18PM

elefant wrote: »

They're not in charge of proving an offence. They just look at the evidence presented, and they didn't even bother watching the video in that hearing because Fitzpatrick lied and said it categorically was not him. They automatically side with the player's oral testimony if there's a conflict over identity he said.

They had the shorter video, and it was in fact looked at. End of the day, no one on the CHC was in danger of suffering nearly as much as the player over this. A 48 week ban would have been ludicrous. No harm to see (or hear :pac:) that pointed out to them imo.

Sure, Brolly was never pressed, but that's a separate issue. And he wasn't directly involved anyway.

monstermag · 24-05-2017 06:43PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I normally don't like Kenny Cunningham, but I found a new bit of respect for him last night. Interesting to hear about his own family and that he now thinks twice about using the tube, or about heading in to their favourite place in London.

I heard the first half hour last night, Joe almost had a breakdown in the studio and I'd say Richie McCormacks jaw is still on the floor, don't think they were expecting that from Kenny, they couldn't shut down the conversation fast enough, it can be pretty uncomfortable when u stray outside ur own echo chamber. Kenny talked a lot of scenes, maybe slightly overboard, but a welcome change from the predictable liberal group think that is so evident at Newstalk.

Loafing Oaf · 24-05-2017 08:58PM

Last proper football show of the season.:(

Ol' Donie · 24-05-2017 09:08PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Last proper football show of the season.:(

Now, I love summer, n'all...

but I bleedin hate when the season is over (bar one last shoeing for my beloved Arsenal).

djemba djemba · 24-05-2017 09:08PM

Must listen to the Totti piece in full

Loafing Oaf · 24-05-2017 10:07PM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Now, I love summer, n'all...

but I bleedin hate when the season is over (bar one last shoeing for my beloved Arsenal).

Well I'm a Man United fan, but that game tonight wouldn't have me pining for the footie. Hopefully the FA Cup will be a better 'Premiership' finale (even if your boys take a hell of a beating):P

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 06:58AM

monstermag wrote: »

Kenny talked a lot of scenes, maybe slightly overboard, but a welcome change from the predictable liberal group think that is so evident at Newstalk.

I just listened back to the podcasts from that show, and they have cut Kenny's whole contribution. They have literally pulled every opinion that he aired from the show, because they don't agree with his views. This should be a wake up call for anybody who believes that NT is a true/fair/balanced representation of the views of the Irish people, and not just a mouthpiece for the liberal views of the people running the station. Cos I'm sure a lot of people at least agreed with some of what Kenny Cunningham said. Yet those right leaning opinions are simply not indulged.

Ol' Donie · 25-05-2017 07:55AM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I just listened back to the podcasts from that show, and they have cut Kenny's whole contribution. They have literally pulled every opinion that he aired from the show, because they don't agree with his views. This should be a wake up call for anybody who believes that NT is a true/fair/balanced representation of the views of the Irish people, and not just a mouthpiece for the liberal views of the people running the station. Cos I'm sure a lot of people at least agreed with some of what Kenny Cunningham said. Yet those right leaning opinions are simply not indulged.

Ah for f*ck sake. Really?

I'm extra angry because they make you listen to that f*ckin "well, that's just you opinion, man" jingle every day. Your opinion, as long as we agree with it.

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 08:18AM

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Ah for f*ck sake. Really? I'm extra angry because they make you listen to that f*ckin "well, that's just you opinion, man" jingle every day. Your opinion, as long as we agree with it.

http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/Newsround_on_Off_The_Ball/193191/Manchester_Terry_Kenny_the_golfer

That's the link there Donie. Have a listen and see if I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain I'm right. The whole intro section on Manchester has been truncated.

Harry Angstrom · 25-05-2017 08:58AM

That's the thing about those PC liberal types. They don't tolerate any opinions that differ from their own. It's another form of censorship.

yosser hughes · 25-05-2017 08:58AM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I just listened back to the podcasts from that show, and they have cut Kenny's whole contribution. They have literally pulled every opinion that he aired from the show, because they don't agree with his views. This should be a wake up call for anybody who believes that NT is a true/fair/balanced representation of the views of the Irish people, and not just a mouthpiece for the liberal views of the people running the station. Cos I'm sure a lot of people at least agreed with some of what Kenny Cunningham said. Yet those right leaning opinions are simply not indulged.

It's characteristic of a new cohort of media that has gone through the university system. The extraordinary situation where they will outright censor opinions that don't fit with their own world view. Why they can't just debate the points and argue them out? The Second Captain s boys are the same. Interchangeable in fact. It's truly pathetic and cowardly.

ThisRegard · 25-05-2017 10:04AM

Jesus lads, it was completely irrelevant to a sports show and you're all getting your knickers in a twist over some perceived liberal censorship, it's pretty funny.

Conservative · 25-05-2017 11:07AM

I didn't listen to the show but at a guess it was on Tuesday night where part 1 of the show has been ommited on the listen back feature and you are claiming it is not censorship?

I don't think it comes from on high in NT but rather from the absolute prats who oversee this show.

foxtrot101 · 25-05-2017 01:54PM

I wouldn't necessarily agree with the approach Kenny was advocating, but I have no real issue with him saying it the night after the attack. I also don't think there was anything "sinister" about it being edited out. I suspect that was more down to them been worried about getting a rap on the knuckles from the BAI then anything else.

There is another plausible explanation. Kenny himself might have regretted being so forthright in expressing his opinion, he usually is very guarded in what he says.

siblers · 25-05-2017 02:22PM

I wonder if this is something worth getting onto the broadcaster regulator over. Or does it even fall.under their remit? I'd love to hear what Kenny said

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 05:21PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

There is another plausible explanation. Kenny himself might have regretted being so forthright in expressing his opinion, he usually is very guarded in what he says.

I did think about that Foxy, that maybe Kenny asked for it to be pulled. But, remember it was Joe, Adrian and Inane Kilbane who shut down the conversation, as were not comfortable with the views that he was expressing. So this would lead me to think that it was also them that had the section cut, not Kenny.

There was nothing slanderous in what he said, so the only reason it could have been cut is because they didn't want other people hearing and possibly agreeing with his opinion. Most of the people I know would be more on board with what Kenny said than what Joe/Adrian/Inane were saying.

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 05:21PM

siblers wrote: »

I wonder if this is something worth getting onto the broadcaster regulator over. Or does it even fall.under their remit? I'd love to hear what Kenny said

Maybe text the show or Tweet the question to them?

foxtrot101 · 25-05-2017 05:33PM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I did think about that Foxy, that maybe Kenny asked for it to be pulled. But, remember it was Joe, Adrian and Inane Kilbane who shut down the conversation, as were not comfortable with the views that he was expressing. So this would lead me to think that it was also them that had the section cut, not Kenny.

There was nothing slanderous in what he said, so the only reason it could have been cut is because they didn't want other people hearing and possibly agreeing with his opinion. Most of the people I know would be more on board with what Kenny said than what Joe/Adrian/Inane were saying.

I can't really comment further, because I can't remember exactly what he said - I kind of mentally tuned out half way through.

Harry Angstrom · 25-05-2017 05:39PM

Anybody who heard the conversation could tell they were uncomfortable with Kenny's views, which weren't even particularly controversial. They were even trying to put a spin on what he was saying, almost trying to put words into his mouth. It was pathetic.
And for people saying it's a sports show not a politics programme, then maybe the Off The Ball boys should shut up about Trump et al and leave that to the current affairs shows on Newstalk.

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 06:06PM

Big live show on tonight .. Lawrenson, Giles, Ballack and Keith Andrews.

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-05-2017 06:08PM

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JoeA3 · 25-05-2017 06:57PM

Patww79 wrote: »

I could quite happily listen to John Giles for hours, but I couldn't listen to Lawrenson to do it.

+1.
"I tell ya what Matt...."

Ballack should be interesting.

Jayesdiem · 25-05-2017 07:23PM

It's for these reasons I've all but abandoned this joke of a show. I still find women's rugby a little weird, I'm not particularly bothered by drugs in sport and I still see Lance Armstrong and Michelle Smith as outstanding competitors. Our relationship could never work.

PeterTheNinth · 25-05-2017 07:27PM

Ger: "Joe was talking backstage about how handsome you were"
Michael Ballack: "I hope that 'Jo' is a woman?"

I can see those comments being left on the cutting room floor beside Kenny's remarks from Tuesday.

dominatinMC · 25-05-2017 08:45PM

If I were Joe's girlfriend (presuming he has one), I'd be worried. Between the love-in with the "gorgeous" Cian O'Sullivan, and now the open admiration of Ballack's "handsomeness", it all seems a bit OTT...

monstermag · 25-05-2017 08:56PM

The more I listen to this show the more I believe theses lads are a la carte liberals and social justice warriors. Pretty good at talking the talk but do they walk the walk. Scratch the surface and i'm fairly sure you'll find a bunch of self centered capitalists, who like most of us are out to feather their own nest and put bread on the table. Personally I don't give a toss whether they're libs, communists, atheist or born again Christians, but as long as OFTB is been sponsored by alcohol companies, betting companies , I find it hard to take them seriously, if they can't tolerate other opinions and ridicule people who have different points of view, they need to keep politics out of the show, unless it's sports related.

tcooley · 26-05-2017 07:32AM

Jesus, Molloy's and Gilroy's insistence on telling everyone how handsome or beautiful a guy is is puke inducing.

Another thing that annoyed me this week is they picked up on a guy that double spaced between words and spelt Nathan wrong. I know the guy was a bit of a dick in the tweet but when supposedly educated presenters go down the grammar nazi route it's pretty pathetic.

PeterTheNinth · 26-05-2017 09:32AM

tcooley wrote: »

Jesus, Molloy's and Gilroy's insistence on telling everyone how handsome or beautiful a guy is is puke inducing.

It's the fact that they would never dare have the same conversation about one of the female athletes that annoys me.

Raoul · 26-05-2017 09:40AM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

It's the fact that they would never dare have the same conversation about one of the female athletes that annoys me.

Good point actually.

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