Anti Pike sign in Oughterard.

thefisherbuy · 23-05-2017 11:47pm

ColmEm wrote: »

There's no misrepresentation.

As I said,

IFI have led trout anglers down a path which as it turns out, may have been the wrong one. But now old beliefs will die hard. IFI have always shown great disdain to pike anglers in the process.

You think IFI and their actions have had no part to play in the scale of the divide. I absolutely think that they have had. We can disagree on that, that's fine. Anyone else can make up their own mind.

I would agree IFI has made anglers apart, there's trout anglers vrs pike anglers it's so stupid, the angling clubs around the corrib saying "it's the worst problem ever faced" I'm sure it is.. the Owenriff river which was a "Salmoid fishery" has become "overrun" with pike.. even though the stream was dried up I wonder if the pike are still their eating trout

I would like them to change their ways and to treat all angling the same.. Course fishing could be sh*te in a good few years if it keeps going with some "people" killing of lakes/rivers. In gangs and no one stopping them.

jkchambers · 23-05-2017 11:53pm

blackpearl wrote: »

Have to agree with a lot of what you say,but hands of sheelin cavan ,monaghan and westmeath must have at least 800 pike lakes between them and sheelin the best dryfly trout lake in the world the removing of pike here is a good pratice once they are relocated and handled safely.

This year it was IFI policy to kill all pike under 85cms they caught on Sheelin and the other lakes where they carry out "predator Control". Not a single pike was transferred. Some 1,600 coarse fish were also removed and killed with very many in the 1 lb to 2 lb range and better.

jkchambers · 24-05-2017 12:02am

Zzippy wrote: »

You have rather misinterpreted my post. I was solely referring to the divide/wedge between angling groups that you said IFI created. I don't disagree at all with what you posted above, but it is nothing to with what I posted. Pike and trout angling rep groups are diametrically opposed on this issue - this is not a wedge created by IFI. And no matter which direction IFI take on this issue, one group will be alienated and that divide will be no closer to being bridged.

Top brass in IFI tell pike angling reps one thing and trout angling reps another thing and both groups are fed up with it. IFI must think that we we dont compare notes from time to time. We do. None of the angling federations have confidence in IFI senior management. That said, I believe that our view on this is also shared my the majority of IFI staff.

kildare lad · 24-05-2017 12:28am

jkchambers wrote: »

Top brass in IFI tell pike angling reps one thing and trout angling reps another thing and both groups are fed up with it. IFI must think that we we dont compare notes from time to time. We do. None of the angling federations have confidence in IFI senior management. That said, I believe that our view on this is also shared my the majority of IFI staff.[/QUOTE

Well can the top angling feds not come together, and write to the minister and tell him, that the people who are responsible for managing our water have failed miserably.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 7:40am

jkchambers wrote: »

This year it was IFI policy to kill all pike under 85cms they caught on Sheelin and the other lakes where they carry out "predator Control". Not a single pike was transferred. Some 1,600 coarse fish were also removed and killed with very many in the 1 lb to 2 lb range and better.

WHAT you pike anglers want is it all every lake, it is not happing you are the greedy ones sheelin is a trout lake and that,s the way its going to stay some one blamed the farmers but it was the LSTPA and their hard work that brought it back to what it is today ,people like you ranting and raveing this years about pike netting why dont you just get on with your fishing and enjoy life .

twin_beacon · 24-05-2017 8:34am

blackpearl wrote: »

WHAT you pike anglers want is it all every lake, it is not happing you are the greedy ones sheelin is a trout lake and that,s the way its going to stay some one blamed the farmers but it was the LSTPA and their hard work that brought it back to what it is today ,

Good to see that the divide is alive and well, us VS them.
Pike anglers are supposed to be the greedy ones, but I don't ever remember any "pike" angler asking for an lough to be pike fishing only.
The fact that anglers want (Massive)lakes to be one species only amazes me, especially when the peak times for pike and trout angling fall at different times of the year.

blackpearl wrote: »

people like you ranting and raveing this years about pike netting why dont you just get on with your fishing and enjoy life .

Would you just sit back and let IFI put gill nets at the entrance to the feeder streams of Sheelin every November?
From IFI's own stock survey figures, gill netting pike has not resulted in an increase in trout numbers. In fact I think there was a slight increase in trout numbers when the netting was stopped for a while in the 90s,
jkchambers can probably confirm if I'm correct or not.
The whole act of gill netting is politically based, its to keep some people happy, but has no positive impact on trout numbers. As I said in an earlier post, pike management on the 7 lakes costs over €100k a year. If the whole idea is to improve trout numbers, then why not spend the €100k on other projects that might actually do that?

kildare lad · 24-05-2017 9:12am

Its because pike are easy to blame. big bad pike eating everything. its a lot easier to blame pike than tryin to get farmers to be more careful where they spray there fertilizer. Or maybe trying lookin closer to home with the amount of trout anglers have killed for the pot over the years.

You'd swear they were the only place in ireland that trout anglers have for themselves to fish. i live near two rivers,theres 3 stretches on them rivers that are trout fishing only. And thats within a 10 mile radius of me. Im sure its like that up and down the country on rivers, Trout fishing only, so stop makin it sound like we are tryin to take over the waterways.

BTW i know how important them wild trout fisheries are, but when anglers on them hold c & k comps, and keep every legal size fish they catch, the same fish who are very important to the eco system. it makes your case for gillnetting laughable.

But what happens when more trout lakes wanna be deemed " wild trout fisheries" are we gonna have more people then pushing the IFI for gillnetting on other lakes like derrevargh, ree, derg, ramor??

I actually dont have a problem if ye want them lakes trout only. your right there are loads of lakes for pike in ireland. But if the fish cant be relocated humanly and properly,then gillnetting shouldn't be done. End of story. Most anglers on all sides wouldnt have a problem with that, In this day and age to be netting fish and dumping them or selling them off to pet foods, after all the problems weve had with poaching, is a f**kin disgrace.

jkchambers · 24-05-2017 9:22am

blackpearl wrote: »

WHAT you pike anglers want is it all every lake, it is not happing you are the greedy ones sheelin is a trout lake and that,s the way its going to stay some one blamed the farmers but it was the LSTPA and their hard work that brought it back to what it is today ,people like you ranting and raveing this years about pike netting why dont you just get on with your fishing and enjoy life .

I never had a problem with Lough Sheelin being developed primarily as a brown trout fishery. It is essentially a public lake where anglers need to pay an IFI permit to fish. It should not be closed to permit paying pike and coarse anglers during the Winter months. If IFI insist on removing pike then they should be transferred to other waters like has been done for the last 20 years or so

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 4:26pm

jkchambers wrote: »

I never had a problem with Lough Sheelin being developed primarily as a brown trout fishery. It is essentially a public lake where anglers need to pay an IFI permit to fish. It should not be closed to permit paying pike and coarse anglers during the Winter months. If IFI insist on removing pike then they should be transferred to other waters like has been done for the last 20 years or so

its a trout lake leave it alone no winter pike fishing and no coarse as i have said theres enough lakes around cavan for coarse fishing and pike fishing if you want coarse fishing go to them but no you want sheelin opened thats been greedy ,not going to happen.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 5:11pm

kildare lad wrote: »

blackpearl wrote: »

Have to agree with a lot of what you say,but hands of sheelin cavan ,monaghan and westmeath must have at least 800 pike lakes between them and sheelin the best dryfly trout lake in the world the removing of pike here is a good practice once they are relocated and handled safely.[/QU

How long have pike been in Sheelin? id say most people would be happy if the fish were relocated but theyre not.Have you seen the video on youtube of the IFI's personal doing the gill netting, throwing specimen pike into a mortar bin with a few inches of water in it. then u seen 3 more big pike belly up ina bin. People would travel from all over the world to fish to catch fish like that. But we have a group of backward mongo's who are to stuck in the 60's to see that.

BTW was it not the farmers how destroyed Sheelin a few years ago?

Just to let you no, as you dont no whats going on with the few inches of water in the cubes they use on sheelin, it is to do with more oxygen in the cubes and less fatalitys if the cubes were full the fish would die its the shallow water that creates more oxygen when its been moved about.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 5:14pm

The last thing you want on this great dry fly lake is when your fishing spent or buzzer is a load of pike anglers trolling all over the lake, its a non starter.

ColmEm · 24-05-2017 5:44pm

I don't know why the ignorant trout anglers don't just dig a hole and fill it with water and trout. That's basically what they're aiming for.

One side wants natural, balanced fisheries. The other wants just one type of fish in the lake - the one they fish for! Kill everything else. It's just silly. Embarrassing. Lack of knowledge. Whatever.

And I'm not putting all trout anglers in that bracket. It's really just a small percentage of trout anglers who want that.

demanufactured · 24-05-2017 5:46pm

blackpearl wrote: »

its a trout lake leave it alone no winter pike fishing and no coarse as i have said theres enough lakes around cavan for coarse fishing and pike fishing if you want coarse fishing go to them but no you want sheelin opened thats been greedy ,not going to happen.

Do you make the rules?
Tbh your the one that sounds greedy to me.

ColmEm · 24-05-2017 5:50pm

why dont the so called pike anglers agree to keep the pike in a seperate lake for pike only

That's a comment on the Oughterard Anglers page. Oughterard Anglers gave that comment the thumbs up. That's the mindset. That's what you're dealing with.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 5:59pm

Listen here i am totaly against the harming of pike been transfered from one lake to another i even took struglling pike out of gill nets years ago when the fisheries use to look at the nets once a day and let them go,now the nets are chequed every hour or so i have seen it been done and have been their when they were relocated to other lakes ,their is proper oxyen tanks in the fisheries where the pike are put waiting to be moved this is on sheelin i cant speak for corrib or mask as i dont no what goes on their.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 6:02pm

ColmEm wrote: »

I don't know why the ignorant trout anglers don't just dig a hole and fill it with water and trout. That's basically what they're aiming for.

One side wants natural, balanced fisheries. The other wants just one type of fish in the lake - the one they fish for! Kill everything else. It's just silly. Embarrassing. Lack of knowledge. Whatever.

And I'm not putting all trout anglers in that bracket. It's really just a small percentage of trout anglers who want that.

I dont agree with killling everthing else but i do agree with relocating them to other lakes once they are looked after proprley.

ColmEm · 24-05-2017 6:06pm

ColmEm wrote: »

One side wants natural, balanced fisheries. The other wants just one type of fish in the lake - the one they fish for! Kill everything else.

blackpearl wrote: »

I dont agree with killling everthing else but i do agree with relocating them to other lakes

:pac:

jkchambers · 24-05-2017 10:44pm

blackpearl wrote: »

its a trout lake leave it alone no winter pike fishing and no coarse as i have said theres enough lakes around cavan for coarse fishing and pike fishing if you want coarse fishing go to them but no you want sheelin opened thats been greedy ,not going to happen.

Well, there is no bye law forbidding winter pike and coarse fishing. Last year held a public consultation process on this subject. They received 235 replies and only 10 of the respondents, yes TEN, wanted the lake closed in Winter months.

twin_beacon · 24-05-2017 11:42pm

blackpearl wrote: »

its a trout lake leave it alone no winter pike fishing and no coarse as i have said theres enough lakes around cavan for coarse fishing and pike fishing if you want coarse fishing go to them but no you want sheelin opened thats been greedy ,not going to happen.

How is being greedy, considering there are many lakes in the country that are trout only, and zero that are coarse/pike only?

blackpearl wrote: »

The last thing you want on this great dry fly lake is when your fishing spent or buzzer is a load of pike anglers trolling all over the lake, its a non starter.

But whats to stop any trout angler trolling a small rapala for trout from causing you the same level of hardship?

demanufactured · 24-05-2017 11:54pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

How is being greedy, considering there are many lakes in the country that are trout only, and zero that are coarse/pike only?

But whats to stop any trout angler trolling a small rapala for trout from causing you the same level of hardship?

And any decent pike anglers wouldn't be that ignorant.

blackpearl · 24-05-2017 11:56pm

jkchambers wrote: »

Well, there is no bye law forbidding winter pike and coarse fishing. Last year held a public consultation process on this subject. They received 235 replies and only 10 of the respondents, yes TEN, wanted the lake closed in Winter months.

Sheelin closed from the 13 october to the end of feb for fishing thats the law .YOU can quote what ever consultation process you like, what is the problem with you 100s of pike lakes around ireland to fish but you want sheelin open in the winter months people on here about trout anglers only a few decent wild trout lakes in the country and yous want them, you pike anglers are the greedy ones, sorry not all pike anglers people like you your at it this years on fishing forums all over the place .On one evening last year on sheelin people from 29 countries from all over the world fishing the lake as i said before best dry fly lake in the world and we intend to keep it that way.It would fit you better if you put more time into water quailty in the lakes and rivers in ireland instead of blabbering on about pike control,finished with this thread have not time to waste with a one tract minded person have a lot of top class fly fishing to do on sheelin in the next couple of weeks and all true the summer .

demanufactured · 25-05-2017 12:09am

blackpearl wrote: »

,finished with this thread have not time to waste with a one tract minded person have a lot of top class fly fishing to do on sheelin in the next couple of weeks and all true the summer .

Pot.... Kettle.... Black.

BTW it's one tracked.

twin_beacon · 25-05-2017 11:54am

blackpearl wrote: »

Sheelin closed from the 13 october to the end of feb for fishing thats the law .YOU can quote what ever consultation process you like, what is the problem with you 100s of pike lakes around ireland to fish but you want sheelin open in the winter months people on here about trout anglers only a few decent wild trout lakes in the country and yous want them, you pike anglers are the greedy ones, sorry not all pike anglers people like you your at it this years on fishing forums all over the place .On one evening last year on sheelin people from 29 countries from all over the world fishing the lake as i said before best dry fly lake in the world and we intend to keep it that way.

Well, you were the person that brought up the topic of opening up Sheelin.
If it was open to pike angling in the winter, what harm would it do anyway?

blackpearl wrote: »

It would fit you better if you put more time into water quailty in the lakes and rivers in ireland instead of blabbering on about pike control

Thats been my point in this thread, that the money being spent on pike control should be spent on other issues, such as water quality, and the quality of the feeder streams and rivers to the 7 managed lakes.

jkchambers · 27-05-2017 10:38am

blackpearl wrote: »

Sheelin closed from the 13 october to the end of feb for fishing thats the law .YOU can quote what ever consultation process you like, what is the problem with you 100s of pike lakes around ireland to fish but you want sheelin open in the winter months people on here about trout anglers only a few decent wild trout lakes in the country and yous want them, you pike anglers are the greedy ones, sorry not all pike anglers people like you your at it this years on fishing forums all over the place .On one evening last year on sheelin people from 29 countries from all over the world fishing the lake as i said before best dry fly lake in the world and we intend to keep it that way.It would fit you better if you put more time into water quailty in the lakes and rivers in ireland instead of blabbering on about pike control,finished with this thread have not time to waste with a one tract minded person have a lot of top class fly fishing to do on sheelin in the next couple of weeks and all true the summer .

Actually its NOT the law. There is NO bye law closing the lake from 13th October. I know that the Shannon Regional Board had a sign up but where is the law to back it up ??? THERE IS NONE and the Shannon Regional Fisheries Board ceased to exist in June 2010 after which Inland Fisheries Ireland took over

Lewis_Benson · 07-10-2019 1:35pm

I see the oughterard cavemen are at it again.
Their facebook page showing a picture of lots of dead pike from one of their killing sprees.

gumbo1 · 08-10-2019 1:10pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

I see the oughterard cavemen are at it again.
Their facebook page showing a picture of lots of dead pike from one of their killing sprees.

They are knuckledraggers trying to incite anger from pike anglers but this has backfired on them as other anglers are calling them out for the behaviour, and rightly so.

kildare lad · 08-10-2019 5:21pm

Idiots of the highest order, I don't actually have a problem with them taking out Pike from spawning streams , or from where they've been recently introduced , but they seem to blame Pike for everything . I think the future doesn't look bright for salmonoids due to pollution , global warming , industrial farming so they're going about things the wrong way by alienating a large section of the angling community .

jack01986 · 09-10-2019 8:56am

I don't understand these guys attitude at all.

A friend of mine was guided on Corrib looking for big trout. They caught quite a lot of pike as well as they were trolling, the guide killed all the pike and threw them back into the lake 'cus they are eating all the trout'. They also caught a few good sized brown trout which were also knocked on the head. It doesn't make any sense to me.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

twin_beacon · 09-10-2019 9:41am

kildare lad wrote: »

I think the future doesn't look bright for salmonoids due to pollution , global warming , industrial farming so they're going about things the wrong way by alienating a large section of the angling community .

The damage is done, you can't go back to the TDs and the general public and say we were wrong, these are the actual reasons trout are being wiped out. These people are directly to blame for the decline of the western loughs.

jack01986 wrote: »

I don't understand these guys attitude at all.

A friend of mine was guided on Corrib looking for big trout. They caught quite a lot of pike as well as they were trolling, the guide killed all the pike and threw them back into the lake 'cus they are eating all the trout'. They also caught a few good sized brown trout which were also knocked on the head. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Do you know who the guide was by any chance? There are some very good guides on Corrib, I can PM them over to you. One in particular is probably fully booked up for 2020 at this stage!

jack01986 · 09-10-2019 9:52am

twin_beacon wrote: »

Do you know who the guide was by any chance? There are some very good guides on Corrib, I can PM them over to you. One in particular is probably fully booked up for 2020 at this stage!

I've no doubt there are some great guides out there. I don't have this particular one's name. I'd have thought it would be in his interest to keep them alive. Keep his business going outside of the trout season.

kildare lad · 09-10-2019 3:45pm

jack01986 wrote: »

I don't understand these guys attitude at all.

A friend of mine was guided on Corrib looking for big trout. They caught quite a lot of pike as well as they were trolling, the guide killed all the pike and threw them back into the lake 'cus they are eating all the trout'. They also caught a few good sized brown trout which were also knocked on the head. It doesn't make any sense to me.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Doesn't surprise me, I actually seen a pic of a dead ferox about 14lb and when people were complaining of why he killed it, he reply " it's no harm to kill a few ferox, sure they eat a good few trout" you couldn't make it up how backwards some of them are.

kildare lad · 09-10-2019 3:52pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

The damage is done, you can't go back to the TDs and the general public and say we were wrong, these are the actual reasons trout are being wiped out. These people are directly to blame for the decline of the western loughs.

One of them claimed on fishbook, that anglers only killed 3000 trout while Pike killed 250,000 every year on corrib. They said it ok to kill trout you caught because if you threw it back in, a Pike would kill it anyway ...lol

jack01986 · 09-10-2019 4:02pm

Blueshoe · 09-10-2019 4:06pm

kildare lad wrote: »

One of them claimed on fishbook, that anglers only killed 3000 trout while Pike killed 250,000 every year on corrib. They said it ok to kill trout you caught because if you threw it back in, a Pike would kill it anyway ...lol

I might know a group who will sort out the pike "problem" for them. Give them a month and corrib will be pike free

twin_beacon · 09-10-2019 4:59pm

kildare lad wrote: »

One of them claimed on fishbook, that anglers only killed 3000 trout while Pike killed 250,000 every year on corrib. They said it ok to kill trout you caught because if you threw it back in, a Pike would kill it anyway ...lol

Was it Peter FitzGerald from Anglo Irish Bank that came up with those figures?

Lewis_Benson · 09-10-2019 11:29pm

jack01986 wrote: »

I don't understand these guys attitude at all.

A friend of mine was guided on Corrib looking for big trout. They caught quite a lot of pike as well as they were trolling, the guide killed all the pike and threw them back into the lake 'cus they are eating all the trout'. They also caught a few good sized brown trout which were also knocked on the head. It doesn't make any sense to me.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Who was the "guide"?

jack01986 · 10-10-2019 10:39am

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Who was the "guide"?

I don't know the guides name.

Lewis_Benson · 13-10-2019 1:11pm

jack01986 wrote: »

I don't know the guides name.

No worries.
What a moron.

Eph1958 · 14-10-2019 10:42am

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

I see the oughterard cavemen are at it again.
Their facebook page showing a picture of lots of dead pike from one of their killing sprees.

Isn't this illegal nowadays?

Lewis_Benson · 14-10-2019 7:02pm

Eph1958 wrote: »

Isn't this illegal nowadays?

Isn't what illegal?

Eph1958 · 14-10-2019 8:01pm

Seems pretty obvious, but strangely not enforced.

PIKE

The CONSERVATION OF PIKE BYE-LAW NO. 809, 2006 provides for the following conservation measures:

It is prohibited to kill more than 1 pike in any one day,

twin_beacon · 15-10-2019 9:33am

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2010/act/10/section/59/enacted/en/html

The local clubs can apply to IFI to hold pike killing competitions under section 59.

dodderangler · 15-10-2019 5:14pm

I am assuming that a full survey of the lake and it’s trout numbers in decline because of pike predation and not just grant the license to kill them without actual proof?
Tbh killing pike to protect stocked fish is ridiculous! Triploids will do more damage to wild trout population than pike. Triploids will eat everything in the lake and cut off natural food supply to breeding trout numbers.

Lewis_Benson · 15-10-2019 8:51pm

Eph1958 wrote: »

Seems pretty obvious, but strangely not enforced.

PIKE

The CONSERVATION OF PIKE BYE-LAW NO. 809, 2006 provides for the following conservation measures:
It is prohibited to kill more than 1 pike in any one day,

Its prohibited to kill more than one pike larger than 50cm.

mloc123 · 15-10-2019 8:58pm

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

I see the oughterard cavemen are at it again.
Their facebook page showing a picture of lots of dead pike from one of their killing sprees.

Maybe the Oughterard people are just concerned about the living conditions of the pike.. they don't dislike pike in general, just don't think that Oughterard is the right place for them to have to live... :pac:

dodderangler · 15-10-2019 9:06pm

mloc123 wrote: »

Maybe the Oughterard people are just concerned about the living conditions of the pike.. they don't dislike pike in general, just don't think that Oughterard is the right place for them to have to live... :pac:

Couldn’t pay me to live there anyway. Maybe you’re right

Lewis_Benson · 16-10-2019 5:58am

dodderangler wrote: »

Couldn’t pay me to live there anyway. Maybe you’re right

They are a bit backwards alright.

twin_beacon · 16-10-2019 10:32am

dodderangler wrote: »

I am assuming that a full survey of the lake and it’s trout numbers in decline because of pike predation and not just grant the license to kill them without actual proof?

This is basically whats happening, not just with the Section 59 competitions, but with the gill netting. Post a question on the Oughterard for the scientific proof that the pike are directly causing a decline in trout numbers in Ireland, and prepare to be blocked from their page.

This goes way deeper than Pike though. The Pike are just a scapegoat. The locals loved the old western regional fisheries board, as they were local people, and did what the clubs told them. When the regional boards amalgamated into Inland Fisheries Ireland, their influence didn't have as much power in City West. In a lot of people's eyes in the west, pike anglers are viewed as outsiders (the "UK/Irish Pike Lobby" as they call them), that need to be kept out, and they are willing to sacrifice their own lakes to keep them out.

dodderangler wrote: »

Tbh killing pike to protect stocked fish is ridiculous! Triploids will do more damage to wild trout population than pike. Triploids will eat everything in the lake and cut off natural food supply to breeding trout numbers.

As far as I'm aware, the Trout that are stocked into Corrib aren't Triploids. They net Trout from the feeder rivers, harvest their eggs, and release them back into the lake as fry.

twin_beacon · 16-10-2019 2:11pm

Nails have been thrown onto the slipway, onto Lough Corrib at Annaghdown.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=525586184898985

Lewis_Benson · 16-10-2019 7:28pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

Nails have been thrown onto the slipway, onto Lough Corrib at Annaghdown.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=525586184898985

Ffs.

Anti Pike sign in Oughterard.

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