Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

Discodog · 24-05-2017 08:18AM

ScumLord wrote: »

Have you ever seen an African tribe killing an elephant? They use spears, and it's not pleasant or quick. It takes them hours to kill the animal throwing hundreds of spears at it until it eventually dies of shock or exhaustion. The oldest hunting method known to man is persistence hunting, where they follow the animal all day and then kill it just by virtue of the fact we've a better way of dissipating heat from our bodies, the animal die of heat stroke.

Have you ever seen the way a lion kills an animal? Breaks it's spine and then eats it alive.

If I was a prey animal I'd much rather be shot dead than mauled or chased until I died.

Another "hunter"argument. We are much nicer than the nasty wild animals. We kill them to save their suffering.

24-05-2017 08:22AM

archer22 wrote: »

No I did not ask him how he became "dehumanised" because I do not believe he is.I know he risked his life a few years ago to save a drowning kid in a flooding event...

If the kid was a poacher, he'd have held the head under the water.

This is a man who doesn't even do it for the money, he just loves to kill certain people.

As you brought up the "he loves kids" angle, what age was the youngest poacher he's shot dead?

Discodog · 24-05-2017 08:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the kid was a poacher, he'd have held the head under the water.

This is a man who doesn't even do it for the money, he just loves to kill certain people.

As you brought up the "he loves kids" angle, what age was the youngest poacher he's shot dead?

This guy doesn't go out shooting poachers. The protection units try to arrest poachers & often come under fire from them.

24-05-2017 08:32AM

Discodog wrote: »

This guy doesn't go out shooting poachers. The protection units try to arrest poachers & often come under fire from them.

Um...you read his post?

Here is what he said...

archer22 wrote: »

...he loves his work setting up ambushes and killing the poachers.

He loves killing them. Not arresting them, not responding only when fired on.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 08:38AM

Discodog wrote: »

Yes I must be sick because I find it appalling that anyone would want to kill an animal for fun.

No, you're sick because you are fantasising on an internet forum about hunting down and torturing human beings. The fact that you have such a tenuous grasp on morality that you think an apparent love of animals offsets that just makes it worse.

Alexander Pichushkin, the "chessboard killer" loved animals, publicly crying over the death of his cat, and bringing his beloved dog everywhere. He killed and mutilated 52 people. There are countless other cases of "animal lovers" whose love of animals covered up their deep hatred of people.

But I'm sure you're a lovely guy because you only fantasise over the death of people you don't know and never met.....

WHIP IT! · 24-05-2017 09:12AM

Fantastic amount of (presumably) strict vegans who (equally presumably) have never bet on a horse/greyhound race in their lives on this thread...

RIP to the man. My thoughts are with his wife and children.

RobertKK · 24-05-2017 09:39AM

When the hunter became the hunted, guess it wasn't fun anymore.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 09:47AM

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Benefits? Thanks your smoking some serious stuff if you think hunting has any benefits except for the trophy walls of the "hunter"

Anyway, enough on this subject. I'm out. "Hunter" apologists rejoice, I'll be neither welcome here nor try stop you justify whatever it is you think your doing to "help" the village and the herd

I'll she'd no tears for anyone killed "hunting"....

Best of luck, but I'll be rooting for the elephant if it's all the same

If anyone is smoking anything it's you. Your ignorance is blinding you. City heads like you clearly are brainwashed by the media and as such can't see the benefits of hunting. Hunters are doing more to save the worlds population of animals than your lazy ass is.

Discodog · 24-05-2017 09:48AM

Gravelly wrote: »

No, you're sick because you are fantasising on an internet forum about hunting down and torturing human beings. The fact that you have such a tenuous grasp on morality that you think an apparent love of animals offsets that just makes it worse.

Alexander Pichushkin, the "chessboard killer" loved animals, publicly crying over the death of his cat, and bringing his beloved dog everywhere. He killed and mutilated 52 people. There are countless other cases of "animal lovers" whose love of animals covered up their deep hatred of people.

But I'm sure you're a lovely guy because you only fantasise over the death of people you don't know and never met.....

I am not fantasising about anything. If someone is trying to illegally kill wildlife & they shoot at the security guards, they can't complain if they get shot.

You conveniently ignore all the evidence that cruelty to animals can be a precursor to killing humans.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/27/fbi-will-start-tracking-cases-of-animal-cruelty-will-it-catch-the-next-serial-killer/

By the way I don't "love" animals. I respect them & don't think that anyone should be allowed to abuse them purely for pleasure. If you believe that animal cruelty is acceptable then, I suggest, you have the problem not me.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 09:51AM

Discodog wrote: »

Can the pro hunters ever get through a debate without accusing others of being townies or vegetarians ?

Show me where in that post you quoted me that I said anything about vegetarians? If you don't know the impact of what animals that are overpopulated do then you have no opinion so I suggest you go back into your basement of media life and keep your opinions to yourself.

Discodog · 24-05-2017 09:51AM

dodderangler wrote: »

If anyone is smoking anything it's you. Your ignorance is blinding you. City heads like you clearly are brainwashed by the media and as such can't see the benefits of hunting. Hunters are doing more to save the worlds population of animals than your lazy ass is.

Oh your canonisation must be imminent. You don't kill for fun but for necessity :rolleyes:

Nice to see that you are willing to dismiss someone's ability to have thoughts on the issue based on where they live. Hunters help conservation by killing animals ..............of course they do

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 09:53AM

Discodog wrote: »

I am not fantasising about anything.

Yes you are:

Discodog wrote: »

Maybe that's a good idea. Get wealthy animal lovers to hunt hunters :pac:

Discodog wrote: »

Oh I wouldn't kill them but I would enjoy hunting them to the point of exhaustion. I could maybe just wound them, like they do to their victims. Only they would have medical care & wouldn't starve to death.

nice_guy80 · 24-05-2017 09:54AM

these 'trophy hunters' lure wild animals out of national parks with bait in order to shoot them

I've no sympathy

Discodog · 24-05-2017 09:56AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Show me where in that post you quoted me that I said anything about vegetarians? If you don't know the impact of what animals that are overpopulated do then you have no opinion so I suggest you go back into your basement of media life and keep your opinions to yourself.

You know, from previous threads, that I have been actively involved in conservation & have supervised licensed Deer culls in the UK. But they are done by trained marksmen who are doing an unpleasant but necessary job. They aren't so called "hunters", they don't consider it sport.

Discodog · 24-05-2017 09:57AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Yes you are:

You missed the :pac:

Do you like killing animals for fun ?

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2017 10:03AM

Discodog wrote: »

You missed the :pac:

Do you like killing animals for fun ?

you are promoting the idea of hunting people. you cant really claim the moral high ground.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 10:04AM

Discodog wrote: »

Oh your canonisation must be imminent. You don't kill for fun but for necessity :rolleyes:

Nice to see that you are willing to dismiss someone's ability to have thoughts on the issue based on where they live. Hunters help conservation by killing animals ..............of course they do

Do I really have to educate you on this?
Old bull elephant at end of his prime. Can become aggressive towards others of the herd including young and pregnant females. Also can slow the herd down and this can lead to predation upon calves aswell because the herd isn't moving fast enough. Also with poachers about they can take more than just the bull out aswell as the herd won't move without it. Majority of herds stay with the old until they die. So by some rich guy paying 50k to end his life he is paying for rangers to out their life's on the line to save the rest from poachers and also saves countless other elephants from poaching.
In our own countryside you have humans moving in everywhere and taking animals habitats. So populations of predators are growing but are also getting closer to humans. Farmers chickens are taking a hit as are newborn lambs. We also have mink around that shouldn't be here but because of animal rights and those other idiots releasing them our local wildlife are taking a massive hit from these predators that aren't native.
Need more education I'm here all week. But il start charging you because I've no patience with people like you do you have to make it worth it to educate you

Tilikum · 24-05-2017 10:07AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Show me where in that post you quoted me that I said anything about vegetarians? If you don't know the impact of what animals that are overpopulated do then you have no opinion so I suggest you go back into your basement of media life and keep your opinions to yourself.

Yes, like Elephants & Rhinos. They need to be hunted. Fair play to those hunters.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:11AM

Discodog wrote: »

You missed the :pac:

Do you like killing animals for fun ?

Only the tasty ones.

Discodog · 24-05-2017 10:29AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Do I really have to educate you on this?
Old bull elephant at end of his prime. Can become aggressive towards others of the herd including young and pregnant females. Also can slow the herd down and this can lead to predation upon calves aswell because the herd isn't moving fast enough. Also with poachers about they can take more than just the bull out aswell as the herd won't move without it. Majority of herds stay with the old until they die. So by some rich guy paying 50k to end his life he is paying for rangers to out their life's on the line to save the rest from poachers and also saves countless other elephants from poaching.
In our own countryside you have humans moving in everywhere and taking animals habitats. So populations of predators are growing but are also getting closer to humans. Farmers chickens are taking a hit as are newborn lambs. We also have mink around that shouldn't be here but because of animal rights and those other idiots releasing them our local wildlife are taking a massive hit from these predators that aren't native.
Need more education I'm here all week. But il start charging you because I've no patience with people like you do you have to make it worth it to educate you

You know how controversial this policy is. There are constant debates. There is also evidence of the money going to corrupt governments & officials rather than the ranger service. The poachers kill for money & we tell them to stop whilst allowing others to kill for money.

I doubt than many farms are expanding. Urban areas are & some species exploit the easy food. Urban foxes kill huge numbers of rats. I would agree with the human removal of Mink but Foxes are a indigenous. I would agree that some of the Animal Rights lobby are idiots. But you label anyone who is concerned for animal welfare as a proponent for animal rights. There is a big difference.

I have spent a lifetime in the countryside & I don't need educating but you already knew that. Stop trying to pretend that you kill for necessity. It's your "sport" & you do it for pleasure.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 10:47AM

Discodog wrote: »

You know how controversial this policy is. There are constant debates. There is also evidence of the money going to corrupt governments & officials rather than the ranger service. The poachers kill for money & we tell them to stop whilst allowing others to kill for money.

I doubt than many farms are expanding. Urban areas are & some species exploit the easy food. Urban foxes kill huge numbers of rats. I would agree with the human removal of Mink but Foxes are a indigenous. I would agree that some of the Animal Rights lobby are idiots. But you label anyone who is concerned for animal welfare as a proponent for animal rights. There is a big difference.

I have spent a lifetime in the countryside & I don't need educating but you already knew that. Stop trying to pretend that you kill for necessity. It's your "sport" & you do it for pleasure.

It's not a sport. I never declared it as a sport. And I never have. It's a hobbit for me same as fishing it. And I eat what I kill except foxes and crows. They're a overpopulated threat to other species. I never kill more than I need either. But again your ignorance of hunters is exempt of this. You just believe we all do it to kill. If it was that bad I'd be out constantly wouldn't I.

Discodog · 24-05-2017 10:58AM

dodderangler wrote: »

It's not a sport. I never declared it as a sport. And I never have. It's a hobbit for me same as fishing it. And I eat what I kill except foxes and crows. They're a overpopulated threat to other species. I never kill more than I need either. But again your ignorance of hunters is exempt of this. You just believe we all do it to kill. If it was that bad I'd be out constantly wouldn't I.

A hobby/sport is pretty much the same. People partake for pleasure. So you kill only to eat or to remove animals that you consider to have overpopulated. You have zero effect on their populations. When you kill it simply frees up a territory for another animal.

The thread is about a man who paid to kill purely for pleasure.

RobertKK · 24-05-2017 11:33AM

It was a victory for the terrorised leopard community, the elephants came to their rescue.

AudreyHepburn · 24-05-2017 11:37AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Do you live in the city yes or no? Simple question. You've thrown your weight around yet can't answer a simple question.

Get down off that pedestal before you fall.

Yes I live in a city.....I ask again why does it matter? Does it preclude me from having a opinion?

AudreyHepburn · 24-05-2017 11:43AM

dodderangler wrote: »

It's not a sport. I never declared it as a sport. And I never have. It's a hobbit for me same as fishing it. And I eat what I kill except foxes and crows. They're a overpopulated threat to other species. I never kill more than I need either. But again your ignorance of hunters is exempt of this. You just believe we all do it to kill. If it was that bad I'd be out constantly wouldn't I.

Doing for sport and as a hobby amount to the same thing - you aren't doing it for conservation or protection reasons, you do it for fun.

Even you refuse to see the wrong in what you do can you at least be man enough to see it for what it is?

Scarinae · 24-05-2017 11:47AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Do I really have to educate you on this?
Old bull elephant at end of his prime. Can become aggressive towards others of the herd including young and pregnant females. Also can slow the herd down and this can lead to predation upon calves aswell because the herd isn't moving fast enough. Also with poachers about they can take more than just the bull out aswell as the herd won't move without it. Majority of herds stay with the old until they die. So by some rich guy paying 50k to end his life he is paying for rangers to out their life's on the line to save the rest from poachers and also saves countless other elephants from poaching.

The elephants that they shot were breeding females, not old bull elephants

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2017 11:55AM

Scarinae wrote: »

The elephants that they shot were breeding females, not old bull elephants

True. But they were not there to shoot those elephants.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 01:07PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Get down off that pedestal before you fall.

Yes I live in a city.....I ask again why does it matter? Does it preclude me from having a opinion?

Yes it does. If you don't own any livestock or are in full view of the wildlife and effects predation and vermin have on the land and farmers then you have no opinion. You can't say this and that about hunters without knowing what we do.

dodderangler · 24-05-2017 01:09PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Doing for sport and as a hobby amount to the same thing - you aren't doing it for conservation or protection reasons, you do it for fun.

Even you refuse to see the wrong in what you do can you at least be man enough to see it for what it is?

Wrong. It's a hobby that also enables me to have fresh meat and live a healthier life from eating meat that hasn't been dipped in all sorts of **** to preserve it.
So wanna come again there?

steddyeddy · 24-05-2017 04:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Um...you read his post?

Here is what he said...

He loves killing them. Not arresting them, not responding only when fired on.

Preventing a species going extinct VS killing the guys who are facilitating their extinction. It's an easy choice.

Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

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