And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

mullingar · 24-05-2017 08:06AM

And it has a 1.8 engine, taxed as 1.6, probably insured as 1.6

millington · 24-05-2017 08:50AM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I know my english is not great, but it makes even me cringe reading it.
As for dreamer... I dont know, is he? Its rare and high spec. I just dont know if there is market for such car anymore. No more third party piss take insurance anymore and no one who is pass 20 would ever drive something like that.
I am pretty sure its uninsurable.

I'm over 20 and I would. I know plenty more that would too.

It's a pity it's not an EG9 shell. It's expensive for an EG8 conversion though.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 09:01AM

Can't understand the Irish boy racer obsession with the bloody Honda Civic. In most other countries they are seen as the kind of car your grandparents would drive. Their performance, handling, and looks are distinctly ordinary, so why are they held up in this same regard? At least something like an Impreza or Evo has performance credentials and a rallying heritage. I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving, but most of them are driving your basic 1.4 shopping box.
They'd be better off buying an 80's MR2 or 200nx for the same money, getting classic tax and insurance, and having something that looks good and at least gives the impression of going fast.

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 09:07AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't understand the Irish boy racer obsession with the bloody Honda Civic. In most other countries they are seen as the kind of car your grandparents would drive. Their performance, handling, and looks are distinctly ordinary, so why are they held up in this same regard? At least something like an Impreza or Evo has performance credentials and a rallying heritage. I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving, but most of them are driving your basic 1.4 shopping box.
They'd be better off buying an 80's MR2 or 200nx for the same money, getting classic tax and insurance, and having something that looks good and at least gives the impression of going fast.

A B18 civic can be made into an incredibly fast car, that has pretty good handling. I'm far from a Honda fan, but I can certainly appreciate a B18 engine, and the fact that most of what you said is very wrong.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 09:11AM

Quazzie wrote: »

A B18 civic can be made into an incredibly fast car, that has pretty good handling. I'm far from a Honda fan, but I can certainly appreciate a B18 engine, and the fact that most of what you said is very wrong.

Not sure what you feel I said that was so wrong - pretty much anything can be made into a fast car, the question I'm asking is why would you bother, when there are cars out there that are already fast and with good handling.

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 09:47AM

Whats a 200nx and what's so great about it?

Go for a spin in a b18c powered civic and come back and tell us it's slow.

Also, civics are hugely popular worldwide, you might wanna fact check your crusade...

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 09:50AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Whats a 200nx and what's so great about it?

Go for a spin in a b18c powered civic and come back and tell us it's slow.

Also, civics are hugely popular worldwide, you might wanna fact check your crusade...

:rolleyes: Crusade? Expressing an opinion that a car isn't particularly fast is a crusade now?

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 09:55AM

Gravelly wrote: »

:rolleyes: Crusade? Expressing an opinion that a car isn't particularly fast is a crusade now?

Well i'm sorry then, you are entitled to have an opinion that they're not fast but doesn't change the fact that its wrong i guess.

Couldnt reply to any other part of my post no?

Go on, whats a 200nx?

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:08AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Well i'm sorry then, you are entitled to have an opinion that they're not fast but doesn't change the fact that its wrong i guess.

Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one - don't get to thinking that just because you have one it's correct!

Cheensbo wrote: »

Couldnt reply to any other part of my post no?

Go on, whats a 200nx?

A typo for a 200sx, as I'm sure you know :rolleyes:

bear1 · 24-05-2017 10:16AM

Bit of hostility around this morning.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:23AM

bear1 wrote: »

Bit of hostility around this morning.

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 10:26AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one - don't get to thinking that just because you have one it's correct!

A typo for a 200sx, as I'm sure you know :rolleyes:

Opinions are, completely agree with you, but regardless of opinions - fast civics are fast (unless youre comparing to supercars or something), its not at all hard to understand their popularity, they're extremely reliable & simple, any dohc vtec engine is pretty damn powerful for their size & there's also the huge availability of aftermarket & interchangeable upgrades.

A 200sx that can go on classic insurance is going to be a s12 or an early s13?, probably powered by a ca18det? hardly the pinnacle of performance or reliability but sure.. you could argue something like a jap import ps13 that would be an 89 at the earliest, harder again to insure cos jap import and still no classic tax - and good luck finding one as clean as that civic above for < €10k..

Funny thing is i dont have a particular like for them, i havent owned a honda nor do i plan on in the near future, but i dont let that cloud the fact that they are hugely popular for a reason.

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 10:28AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

I"m actually a toyota fanboi, dont really like civics - just dont like watching people shít on cars they know nothing about

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 10:33AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

Only ever drove a civic once in my life, and I hated every single second of it. To call a B18 engined Civic slow tho is laughable.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:34AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Opinions are, completely agree with you, but regardless of opinions - fast civics are fast (unless youre comparing to supercars or something), its not at all hard to understand their popularity, they're extremely reliable & simple, any dohc vtec engine is pretty damn powerful for their size & there's also the huge availability of aftermarket & interchangeable upgrades.

A 200sx that can go on classic insurance is going to be a s12 or an early s13?, probably powered by a ca18det? hardly the pinnacle of performance or reliability but sure.. you could argue something like a jap import ps13 that would be an 89 at the earliest, harder again to insure cos jap import and still no classic tax - and good luck finding one as clean as that civic above for < €10k..

Funny thing is i dont have a particular like for them, i havent owned a honda nor do i plan on in the near future, but i dont let that cloud the fact that they are hugely popular for a reason.

And I agreed with you - if you read my post, you'd see I qualified my derision with "I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving" - my opinion was based on lads driving basic spec Civics - anyone who claims a basic spec 1.4 Civic is some kind of sports car is dreaming (in my opinion!) - I've nothing against Civics, just can't understand the obsession with them in Ireland. I rarely see young lads in the UK driving 1.4 Civics with huge spoilers and oversized alloys (though you do see pimped up 207s and Clios, so they aren't any better). They just seemed to get this reputation by default.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:35AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

I"m actually a toyota fanboi, dont really like civics - just dont like watching people shít on cars they know nothing about

I've owned a few fast Toyotas in my day, and I'd love to know what it is I don't know about Civics that makes them so great?

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 10:39AM

Gravelly wrote: »

And I agreed with you - if you read my post, you'd see I qualified my derision with "I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving" - my opinion was based on lads driving basic spec Civics - anyone who claims a basic spec 1.4 Civic is some kind of sports car is dreaming (in my opinion!) - I've nothing against Civics, just can't understand the obsession with them in Ireland. I rarely see young lads in the UK driving 1.4 Civics with huge spoilers and oversized alloys (though you do see pimped up 207s and Clios, so they aren't any better). They just seemed to get this reputation by default.

If I'm a young lad and I can only afford to tax and insure a 1.4 car. My options are very limited. Golf, Leon, Civic, 307, Clio etc. Out of them, none of them are quick. Not even the civic. The advantage of the civic is that it is extremely customizable, and can be upgraded relatively cheaply to handle fantastically. If you're driving a 1.4 car, you might aswell drive one that handles like it's on rails.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:44AM

Quazzie wrote: »

If I'm a young lad and I can only afford to tax and insure a 1.4 car. My options are very limited. Golf, Leon, Civic, 307, Clio etc. Out of them, none of them are quick. Not even the civic. The advantage of the civic is that it is extremely customizable, and can be upgraded relatively cheaply to handle fantastically. If you're driving a 1.4 car, you might aswell drive one that handles like it's on rails.

That's a true enough point, and goes some way in explaining it I suppose. Another may be that used Golfs seem to make crazy money here, and Peugeots/Renaults have more of a stigma than they do in the UK, so that might also explain it a bit.

Titzon Toast · 24-05-2017 11:50AM

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't understand the Irish boy racer obsession with the bloody Honda Civic. In most other countries they are seen as the kind of car your grandparents would drive. Their performance, handling, and looks are distinctly ordinary, so why are they held up in this same regard? At least something like an Impreza or Evo has performance credentials and a rallying heritage. I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving, but most of them are driving your basic 1.4 shopping box.
They'd be better off buying an 80's MR2 or 200nx for the same money, getting classic tax and insurance, and having something that looks good and at least gives the impression of going fast.

Because they're reliable, they're cheap, have low tax, are relatively easy to insure, and are easily tuned.
Young people struggle to get classic insurance in this country, even if they could they'd need to have another car insured under their own name first.

Also, how the hell are they going to insure an Sti or an Evo?

You didn't really think that post through did you?

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 11:53AM

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Because they're reliable, they're cheap, have low tax, are relatively easy to insure, and are easily tuned.
Young people struggle to get classic insurance in this country, even if they could they'd need to have another car insured under their own name first.

Also, how the hell are they going to insure an Sti or an Evo?

You didn't really think that post through did you?

Again, someone who didn't read my post properly

Do Civic fans have literacy issues as well as bad taste

I didn't suggest they insure an Sti or Evo, I said I can understand the appeal of those cars.

Man, Honda fanboys are touchy.

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:06PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Again, someone who didn't read my post properly
Do Civic fans have literacy issues as well as bad taste

I didn't suggest they insure an Sti or Evo, I said I can understand the appeal of those cars.

Man, Honda fanboys are touchy.

So anyone who defends young people driving civics for whatever reason is a Honda fanboy?

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:10PM

morritty wrote: »

So anyone who defends young people driving civics for whatever reason is a Honda fanboy?

No, Quazzie did, but his was a logical and non-emotional response. I'd consider a slightly hysterical, emotional response to be that of a fanboy!

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:17PM

Right, ill rephrase it.

So, because someone gave a reason to defend young drivers buying a civic for various reasons.....and also states they drove a civic one and hated it....they're a Honda Fanboy?

I drove a Micra once, i hated it because it was miserable. I'd recommend it to a young driver because its a decent cheap way to start motoring....am I a Nissan fanboy?

Spoiler alert: I've never owned a Nissan

everlast75 · 24-05-2017 12:23PM

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:25PM

morritty wrote: »

Right, ill rephrase it.

So, because someone gave a reason to defend young drivers buying a civic for various reasons.....and also states they drove a civic one and hated it....they're a Honda Fanboy?

I didn't call that poster a fanboy.

morritty wrote: »

I drove a Micra once, i hated it because it was miserable. I'd recommend it to a young driver because its a decent cheap way to start motoring....am I a Nissan fanboy?

Spoiler alert: I've never owned a Nissan

If loads of young people were tarting up micras and pretending they were sportscars, and I expressed an opinion that I don't understand why they do that, would you get offended? If so you may be a fanboy, if not, then you're probably not.

I seem to have hit a sore spot with a lot of people - who knew expressing a dislike for a certain model of car could be so contentious?

I've owned more than 40 different models of car in my time, everything from a Nissan to a Porsche, and from a 1950's sports car to a modern estate. I wouldn't get on a high horse if anyone criticised any of those cars, but would instead explain calmly why I bought it at the time. Maybe I'm unusual in that!

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:27PM

Ah you see, this is a motors forum. try not to sh1t on other peoples cars, why they have them or what they do to them, and you'll be just fine

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:29PM

morritty wrote: »

Ah you see, this is a motors forum. try not to sh1t on other peoples cars, why they have them or what they do to them, and you'll be just fine

So a motors forum means that no criticism of any make or model of car is allowed? Right so.

James Bond Junior · 24-05-2017 12:35PM

Gravelly wrote: »

So a motors forum means that no criticism of any make or model of car is allowed? Right so.

That's not the case here though. Criticism is fair and welcome but calling people illiterate and touchy just because they disagree with your opinion isn't very nice.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:39PM

James Bond Junior wrote: »

That's not the case here though. Criticism is fair and welcome but calling people illiterate and touchy just because they disagree with your opinion isn't very nice.

I didn't call anyone illiterate, I asked if someone had a literacy problem as, for the second time, they had quoted something I hadn't said as if I had said it.

Given the responses, calling people touchy is probably an understatement!

lassykk · 24-05-2017 12:51PM

Was really looking forward to 3 pages of updates with a raft of new dreamer of the year cars... Sadly mistaken

And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

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