Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

blowitupref wrote: »

Is that the best way to judge that championship game? Afterall Leitrim and London had similar league records in 2013.

So by that logic it is, because in 2013 London won after a replay.

seligehgit wrote: »

I do believe there is any great mystery/conspiracy behind Aidan O Shea not starting.

He missed most of the league and Stephen Rochford is giving some of the lads who played during the league a chance to impress.Aidan O Shea will likely work his way back into the team as a hopefully long summer progresses.

I commend Rochford for showing some faith in these players,it's really much ado about nothing imo.

I totally agree, and at the end of the day, with Al due respect etc etc, it is Sligo.

It's the type of championship game that you can try a few new players.

You can be damn sure the likes of Kerry will be doing something similar v Clare/Waterford.

seligehgit wrote: »

I do believe there is any great mystery/conspiracy behind Aidan O Shea not starting.

He missed most of the league and Stephen Rochford is giving some of the lads who played during the league a chance to impress.Aidan O Shea will likely work his way back into the team as a hopefully long summer progresses.

I commend Rochford for showing some faith in these players,it's really much ado about nothing imo.

It's for those exact reasons that I would start him. He has played so little football. He needs to be getting match time now. Assuming Mayo win on Sunday, it is not that long to the Galway match. If I was Mayo manager, I would definitely like to see O'Se with a full championship match under his belt going into that.
I would understand where you were coming from if the starting Mayo forwards had exceptionally good leagues. But Boland and Conor O'Se? At best, they probably had average campaigns - certainly nothing exceptional.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Oh ffs egoman is back, im outta here.

Ignore lists are best I find.

Blackjack wrote: »

Ignore lists are best I find.

Dont like doing it but had to be done at this stage. and with the click of a button....gone

km79 wrote: »

Not when people quote the person in question though

hmmmm thats an interesting one for boards admin to figure out.

Why is it that Conor Mortimer comes out of the woodwork in the lead up to a Mayo match. Why in the name of God would he bring this up.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/conor-mortimer-takes-former-mayo-bosses-to-task-450430.html

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-there-is-a-huge-wave-of-fear-coming-from-mayo-and-kerry-need-a-lot-of-things-to-fall-their-way-35731256.html

Another interesting article in the independent written by Ciaran Whelan particularly piece on Mayo. Maybe fear is not quite the correct word but he has captured the sentiment of Mayo GAA. The realisation is out there that Mayo will not win this year and that this squad and manager will never deliver. Every one will go through the motions this year but the belief is gone.

The silent majority ignored what they knew to be a wrong last year in the belief that this squad would deliver no matter what. All Ireland selection was a wake up call and their beliefs were shattered.

Even on this forum one can sense the loss of faith even among the most diehard of current squad supporters. Looking back over posts since Alll Ireland there seems to be no one declaring on this forum that this will be Mayo's year and that we will win. No one and I mean no one I have spoken to both in the county and outside of it Mayo supporter and non Mayo supporter believe that we will win.

The sooner we are out of this championship the sooner we can start rebuilding for the next multi year assault on the title. We will beat Sligo and we will beat Galway \ Roscommon after which we will lose to Kerry or Dublin. No All Ireland and a wasted year.

My critics on this site (and they are many) can switch me off and totally ignore what I am saying but this does not change the fact that the business as usual practised by Mayo Board past 60 years has failed and failed miserably, this past two years particularly when the talent was there (which is not always the case).

Firstly we need to professionalise the County Board. Before we think about next manager we need a professional Mayo GAA CEO. Someone like Willie Ruane who has had a very benificial impact on Connacht Rugby. The money is there to get someone like him. We are shelling out a €1 million plus a year on team management \ squads and getting nothing in return. Professional management will give us a better return on our investment.

In some respects Mayo have overachieved by being No 3 this past 5\6 years due to absence of some traditional powers like Meath, Cork and Galway. Some or all of these will come back in next few years making it harder to be no 3 never mind no 1. Winning an All Ireland is going to get harder after this year for Mayo.

We have to change to get a different result. Sticking our heads in the sand or ignoring\belittling different points of view within Mayo GAA family will not progress Mayo to winning an AI.

We need to grow up and stop our annual blaming of the media, referees, unsporting fellows on other teams, and the absence of the mythical extra forward who can score regularly from play in big games. Kerry and Dublin generally win AI's every decade because they adapt, they moderise, they try new things, they attract good players and good administrators. They are professionals at winning All Irelands we are amateurs.

The Title of this Board is Mayo GAA Discussion. A discussion is the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas: I would ask some of you what are you doing on a discussion board if the only ideas you want to exchange are those which are identical to you own.

That Ciaran Whelan article only underlines that his credibility as a serious and unbiased pundit has been overstated. Look at the difference in tone and attitude between the Mayo section and even the very first line of the Dublin section. Factor in, both teams lost the game in question by one point, or 'the width of a post' as he says, and it is actually cringe worthy.
For the sake of his own career as a pundit, he should leave spinning Gavin's propaganda to the likes of curran, because he is doing his career a serious disservice. Once you go down that route, it is very hard to come back, because people just wont take you seriously. He had potential, but now he has become a David Brady, a Brendan Devanney, a Charlie Redmond, and pundits like that are ten a penny.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That Ciaran Whelan article only underlines that his credibility as a serious and unbiased pundit has been overstated. Look at the difference in tone and attitude between the Mayo section and even the very first line of the Dublin section. Factor in, both teams lost the game in question by one point, or 'the width of a post' as he says, and it is actually cringe worthy.
For the sake of his own career as a pundit, he should leave spinning Gavin's propaganda to the likes of curran, because he is doing his career a serious disservice. Once you go down that route, it is very hard to come back, because people just wont take you seriously. He had potential, but now he has become a David Brady, a Brendan Devanney, a Charlie Redmond, and pundits like that are ten a penny.

Both teams didn't lose the same game by one point.

One team lost their attempt at five-in-a-row League titles by a point.

The other lost their latest failed attempt at winning a first All-Ireland in more than half-a-century.

Spotting and analysing the difference between the two situations is what a good pundit can do.

Blackjack wrote: »

Ignore lists are best I find.

Ya i could do that but not sure id have the discipline.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Whelan is right about one thing.

Kerry are not a good as people are saying they are, all based on the league final win.

True.

Neither are Dublin though. People are getting bogged down in the winning streak - how many games did they actually win in the league?

The funny thing about that article is Mayo are for most people a distant third with little about them that hasn't been explored.
While arguably the best team of all time, Dublin are going for 3 in a row and Kerry have just dethroned them in the league and broken their streak. Clearly, this is where the big news story is to date and this is where you would expect debate in any preview article to centre on.

With respect to this, why is the article so centric on mayo at all?

blanch152 wrote: »

Both teams didn't lose the same game by one point.
One team lost their attempt at five-in-a-row League titles by a point.
The other lost their latest failed attempt at winning a first All-Ireland in more than half-a-century.
Spotting and analysing the difference between the two situations is what a good pundit can do.

Those records don't put the ball over the bar though. They don't tog out at full back or win the throw in. The rules aren't different if you have a few trophies over the last few years.
In both games, the free taker missed a late chance to draw the game. In both games, they were the poorer side yet could have won it. In both games the opposition were probably a bit cuter and more cynical in their approach, which helped them come out on top. I don't see where history makes a difference there. Guys who played know that that stuff isn't really relevant once you are out there, and Whelan fits into that category.

keane2097 wrote: »

How good are people saying they are?

Well as Whelan said in the article

most of their former players have tipped them for All-Ireland success

Personally I think there is nothing between Mayo and Kerry right now

If they both keep winning they meet in a SF thus one of them is getting to a final, which one I could not pick right now.

Robeman wrote: »

I think you are missing the point Flynn was making

All team have their "process" which will cover match preparation and also post match activity.

At the moment Flynn refers to Mayo Squad (if working within a process) should have been

- Warming down or
- Interacting with fans

If squad was supposed to be warming down then Flynns point well made. AOS avoiding the hard work and going after personal glory.

If squad was supposed to be interacting with fans at that time then Flynn is totally out of line. AOS is to be commended for doing what he was supposed to be doing and rest of squad should be condemmed for not doing what they were supposed to do and ignoring fans

Also possible that "process" not in place at that moment and squad could do what they liked. In which case 29 decided that best thing they could do at that moment was a warm down while 1 decided to interact with fans. All were doing what they saw as most important for them. In this case nobody should be condemmed for anything but we can all have our opinions on choices made.

It was a challenge match! Anyway besides that lots of players sign autographs and do photos immediately after the game is over. It is one of nicer things about GAA that you see likes of O'Shea and others doing that.

I suspect Flynn is trying to rival Brolly now. I used to like him when he did Off the Ball but some of his printed stuff of late has been nasty imho.