Male Genital Mutilation - why is this allowed?

Alizrian Crimson wrote: »

You honestly think no man has penis destroyed through botched circumcision?

If you claim mgm is ok then you really can't speak out against fgm.

Go look into the difference between MGM and FGM and then come back and comment here. FGM is horrific and is guaranteed serious side effects. With MGM, most cases have zero side affects at all.

Some men are circumcised and are happy with it. We understand you may not agree with it but why cant you accept that? Ok it might not be for you and if you don't want your child to go through with it, then that's fine. Most people on here who have had it done, have had to have it done for medical reasons. In fact, im not sure even one person here says they have had it done for cosmetic reasons.

I think you need to look into the facts to WHY people get circumcised because you don't seem to understand there are valid reasons for it. People are not going to have surgery on a baby for the craic!

Ashbx wrote: »

Go look into the difference between MGM and FGM and then come back and comment here. FGM is horrific and is guaranteed serious side effects. With MGM, most cases have zero side affects at all.

Some men are circumcised and are happy with it. We understand you may not agree with it but why cant you accept that? Ok it might not be for you and if you don't want your child to go through with it, then that's fine. Most people on here who have had it done, have had to have it done for medical reasons. In fact, im not sure even one person here says they have had it done for cosmetic reasons.

I think you need to look into the facts to WHY people get circumcised because you don't seem to understand there are valid reasons for it. People are not going to have surgery on a baby for the craic!

It shouldn't be legal for minors unless it's done for medically necessary reasons. Is that so hard to understand? We're arguing that genital autonomy except in cases of necessary medical procedures should be absolute, for both genders. IE, only the person who has the genitals should get to decide whether to cut bits off them, unless there's an actual acute problem or risk of an acute problem. Not their doctor. Not their parents. Not their religion. The person themselves.

Ashbx wrote: »

I think you need to look into the facts to WHY people get circumcised because you don't seem to understand there are valid reasons for it. People are not going to have surgery on a baby for the craic!

Unfortunately some do. They wouldn't phrase it as such but 'because it's the done thing' (as it is in the US) effectively translates as 'for the craic'.

If there is a valid medical reason that's one thing (though things like too-tight foreskin can be fixed by stretching or cutting a slit in in rather than total removal), but if there is no medical reason then, imo, it is mutilation.

I know a couple of guys who were circumcised and who do view it as a mutilation; not because they have any functional issues with it but because part of their body was removed without their consent and for no good reason.

Wibbs wrote: »

. If we're talking about vulvas, as I say, not exactly up there aesthetically.

Indeed, one of the best received compliments I ever gave was that a certain lady had a very 'tidy' groinal region.

I chose to be circumcised at 25. My only regret is I didn't get it done sooner. It wasn't for medical or religious reasons; I just prefer the look and think it's cleaner. My wife agrees, and also thinks all boys should be done. So we had both our sons done, and they don't resent us; and it hasn't caused them any problems. It's more common in Ireland that one might think (although not as popular as say America). Personally I think it should be the parents choice, and it's better to get it done as a baby than adult as it heals faster.
I suppose one could say my wife is now pro-circumcision; as she has now encouraged her girlfriends to get their son's done too. Some have, some haven't. But I do know her sister got her son's done too on her advice. Of her girlfriends she has spoken to about it, they are either apathetic or prefer it (the ones that have experienced both). My wife just prefer the look mainly, but also thinks it's cleaner for oral sex. She is glad we had both our sons done, as she thinks it will be better for them. I can understand why some think it's wrong to make the decision, and think it should be left until their children are adult. But for my wife and I, we don't have a problem making that decision. I think if most women are honest, and they have experienced both; they prefer circumcised, if not for looks then for cleanliness during oral sex. Certainly her girlfriends have expressed the opinion that aesthetically they prefer the look.
I would say I am not as pro-circumcision as my wife, and really don't mind what parents or others choose to do. That is up to them, and a I respect their decision either way. However my wife is more proactive about encouraging others to circumcise their sons and partners as she really thinks its better. For example, her sister got her son's done following her advice.
At the end of the day, people should choose what they want to do; as I did myself at 25. And if they choose to have their sons done, well that is their prerogative too.
I don't really mind what the motivation is; religious, aesthetic, cultural, medical. I do think it's better to get it done as a baby rather than child/teen/adult though. Mainly due to the expedited healing time when done as a baby.
In any case, neither my wife nor I can understand why people for and against get so heated about it all. I think much of it is an excuse for people to espouse their views on social media, or feed their ego being a social justice warrior etc.
So I would say both my wife and I prefer it, and our sons are apathetic about it really. My wifes sister prefers it, and she thinks many other women would do to if they had experienced both and could choose.
Maybe the popularity of it is growing here? My wife seems to think many younger Irish women seem to be opting for it, for a number of reasons.

BlueStratos wrote: »

I chose to be circumcised at 25. My only regret is I didn't get it done sooner. It wasn't for medical or religious reasons; I just prefer the look and think it's cleaner.

If you want it to be cleaner, clean it once in a while.

That is a myth really.
Often women that haven't seen an uncut one are curious to try it.
Also with the current trend against it, some women actually prefer it.
The majority of women don't have a strong opinion either way.
Take Katy Perry for example; was married to Russell Brand, and had a relationship with Orlando Bloom (both uncut).

Alizrian Crimson wrote: »

Call me naive but I only recently discovered most American men are circumcised. Why would you do this? I don't care if you're a Jew or Muslim, you're chopping off the most sensitive part of you son's penis. And for what? So he looks like you?

I'm glad my parents didn't have me mutilated. How is this practice not banned is beyond me.

Google "phimosis" and the various other conditions which require circumcision as treatment.

Not weird at all really.
My wife saw a picture of Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom paddle boarding on Twitter.
She commented to me that the American women were going on about him not being circumcised.
Russell Brand is English (from Essex), and it's common knowledge that most English men are not circumcised.
Again it was actually my wife that commented that it goes to show some women are apathetic or actually prefer uncut men (in the case of Perry).
So the Twitter Americans that were going on about it, don't always represent the views of American women; in other words, they don't all prefer circumcised men.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I've actually been surprised to find out (on boards actually) that most Irish men aren't circumcised. I would have guessed that most were, going on personal experience but apparently not.

My understanding is sometimes it's nessessary to prevent infection in kids

either limited personal experience or a very unlikely sequence of partners