Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)

hatrickpatrick · 04-06-2013 12:19AM

666irishguy wrote: »

I thought he could walk out the door if he got diplomatic messenger status or got full diplomat status, guess his hosts don't even regard him as important enough. He strikes me as an arrogant man, who enjoys being some kind of international man of mystery. Quite a pathetic figure at this stage. I also have zero pity for Manning, he joined the US military of his own accord and signed up for a security clearance.

The Brits have to approve diplomats before they get diplomatic status and they said from the start that they wouldn't approve it for Assange.
Bradley Manning leaked documents exposing lies told by politicians in order to win votes all over the world, including our own two-faced Eamonn Gilmore. That so many people decry him is something I find a little strange. If the government is too embarrassed to admit something to the public, it means they're hoping to steal votes by misrepresenting their dealings, and this is profoundly undemocratic. Anyone who exposes politicians lying to win votes is a hero in my book.

I gave Gilmore my #2 preference in Dun Laoghaire last time around. Next time we have an election I won't even give him a number. Had Wikileaks not published those cables I probably still would have. Things like Wikileaks prevent governments from defrauding their voters, something which is desperately needed in the times we live in.

donegal_road · 04-06-2013 12:42AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If the government is too embarrassed to admit something to the public, it means they're hoping to steal votes by misrepresenting their dealings, and this is profoundly undemocratic. Anyone who exposes politicians lying to win votes is a hero in my book.

I gave Gilmore my #2 preference in Dun Laoghaire last time around. Next time we have an election I won't even give him a number. Had Wikileaks not published those cables I probably still would have. Things like Wikileaks prevent governments from defrauding their voters, something which is desperately needed in the times we live in.

you can be damn sure that policing the internet will be top of the agenda at the G8 summit in Fermanagh, for the reasons you have outlined.

errlloyd · 04-06-2013 12:46AM

Love him or loathe him you can't deny he's important. Don't under estimate the effect wiki leaks has had on the world.

dd972 · 04-06-2013 12:49AM

The Assange Embassy shift must be money for old rope for the Met, stood there being asked ''which ways Harrods?'' 100 times a day by Japanese tourists. :pac:

danotroy · 04-06-2013 12:53AM

in relation to the question asked why don they sneak him out surley over a period of time they could sneak in a fake nose, some make up, a wig a beer belly, age him forty years and sneak him to switzerland? it sounds a bit silly but after a 50 weeks would you not be getting cabin fever?

Fratton Fred · 04-06-2013 11:51AM

danotroy wrote: »

Surely over a period of time they could sneak a series of props in and change his appearance and sneak him out and onto mainland europe and to somewhere that would not extradite him.

or is this not the point? and he wants to stay in the embassy to prove a point ?

He was arrested under a European wide arrest warrant. Any country in Europe would be obliged to arrest him and extradite him.

Lapin · 04-06-2013 12:15PM

dd972 wrote: »

The Assange Embassy shift must be money for old rope for the Met, stood there being asked ''which ways Harrods?'' 100 times a day by Japanese tourists. :pac:

Or forrignerrs looking for directions to the Irish Embassy's Passport Office across the road.

Come to think of it. I hope nobody tells Assange its there just in case the Ecuadorians ever get get fed up of him kipping on their sofa. :eek:

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-06-2013 12:17PM

He looks like something not of this earth

hatrickpatrick · 04-06-2013 04:01PM

donegal_road wrote: »

you can be damn sure that policing the internet will be top of the agenda at the G8 summit in Fermanagh, for the reasons you have outlined.

I'm sure it will be. I see that as a good thing though to be honest, if they're scared of it, it proves that it's actually working. And governments are way, way, way too far behind now to succeed in policing the internet in my view. Unless they have secret supercomputers hundreds of times more powerful than anything the public currently knows about, which is incredibly unlikely, they're not going to succeed in breaking Tor's encryption, for example. i2p? Forget it? And those are just the two that are common knowledge now to the mainstream public, serious internet activists are almost certainly using far more advanced technology.

In fact, Wikileaks' own submission system, before their architect fell out with Assange and dismantled it, involved onion routing that bounced leaks through about 8 different nodes around the world with multiple layers of massive encryption, pretty much guaranteeing that finding the source and/or the content would need far more computing power than current technology can provide. That's the beauty of it. They've left it too late, the cat's out of the bag, Wikileaks & co are here to stay, and therefore, they're going to have to behave themselves a bit better for fear of bad behavior behind closed doors being aired in public.

So much comment is given to how the government can better protect their dirty laundry from being exposed. Better, cheaper, safer and more efficient solution? Don't have so much dirty laundry in the first place.

biko · 03-07-2013 05:11PM

Bit of a bump here from Feb but then Assange's trials and tribulations isn't over by a long shot.

The Ecuadorean Embassy has discovered a hidden microphone inside its building where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is sheltering from extradition to Sweden. SRC

As it happens it seems it's in the ambassador's office

“Furthermore, we first wanted to ascertain with precision what could be the origin of this interception device in the office of our ambassador,”

MI5 working with CIA/NSA methinks.

humanji · 03-07-2013 08:50PM

Convenient that they found it now, isn't it?

03-07-2013 09:18PM

I see that Assange has released a new set of files from an STD clinic and has launched a website, it's called www.mickeyleaks.com

biko · 17-12-2013 02:23PM

US is unlikely to prosecute Assange "because government lawyers said they could not do so without also prosecuting U.S. news organizations and journalists".
"The officials stressed that a formal decision has not been made, and a grand jury investigating WikiLeaks remains impaneled, but they said there is little possibility of bringing a case against Assange". SRC
Now (well, soon) Assange should be able to travel to Sweden to face the rape charges without fear of sudden extradition to US. Although Sweden Foreign Dept could have easily travelled to him for interrogation, which they have done many times before for other suspects.
When asked on twitter they responded "You do not dictate the terms if you are a suspect. Get it? /TZ #Assange"
https://twitter.com/Utrikesdep/status/236792222937399296

josip · 19-05-2017 10:19AM

May not have to escape now.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/may/19/swedish-prosecutors-drop-julian-assange-investigation

sbsquarepants · 19-05-2017 10:29AM

dd972 wrote: »

The Assange Embassy shift must be money for old rope for the Met, stood there being asked ''which ways Harrods?'' 100 times a day by Japanese tourists. :pac:

Until one day a strangely pale white haired Japanese tourist asks:D

gramar · 19-05-2017 10:40AM

I know I shouldn't be judgemental but I think he looks like a complete prick!

Winterlong · 19-05-2017 10:43AM

gramar wrote: »

I know I shouldn't be judgemental but I think he looks like a complete prick!

I think he is a complete prick.
But anyway, I would say the lad could do with a couple of weeks on the beaches and in the bars in torremolinos.

osarusan · 19-05-2017 10:43AM

Swedis prosecutors have dropped the charges, so now he no longer faces an arrest warrant from Sweden, but, according to Wikileaks, the UK refuses to confirm if they have received an arrest warrant from the USA, so I don't think he can leave the Ecuadoran embassy yet.

gramar · 19-05-2017 10:44AM

Winterlong wrote: »

I think he is a complete prick.
But anyway, I would say the lad could do with a couple of weeks on the beaches and in the bars in torremolinos.

He must be sick of Ferrero Rocher at this stage.

BattleCorp · 19-05-2017 10:46AM

I don't think he will be safe wherever he goes. The US will try to get him by hook or by crook.

19-05-2017 10:49AM

I find him oddly attractive.

Winterlong · 19-05-2017 10:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I find him oddly attractive.

Weirdo.

red ears · 19-05-2017 11:25AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't think he will be safe wherever he goes. The US will try to get him by hook or by crook.

My first thought was they will release him and the Americans will have him killed.

Winterlong · 19-05-2017 11:28AM

red ears wrote: »

My first thought was they will release him and the Americans will have him killed.

I wonder if they would. He was a conduit for the Hillary leaks which helped get Trump elected. So some in the US administration would have some liking for him!

Kimbot · 19-05-2017 11:28AM

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19-05-2017 11:41AM

To anyone outraged at a sex fiend not facing trial, I'd recommend reading some of the basic facts of the investigation. It's definitely not a typical "rape case".

silverharp · 19-05-2017 11:47AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't think he will be safe wherever he goes. The US will try to get him by hook or by crook.

Hillary wanted to drone strike him , probably wouldn't want to be on the same plane as him :pac:

hatrickpatrick · 19-05-2017 11:50AM

The problem here is procedural, essentially. The UK court's ordering of his arrest for extradition is technically a separate issue from Sweden's prosecution - the order of the UK court must be fulfilled regardless of what's happening in Sweden. So the issue now is one of whether the US has a sealed indictment against him that they're waiting until he's in UK custody to drop and subsequently demand his extradition from the UK.
The fact that Trump is the president throws this up in the air considerably. Wikileaks' publication of leaked DNC emails turned a lot of Sanders die-hards against Hillary Clinton, and while the effect of this on Trump's victory can't be easily quantified, it's easy to imagine a scenario in which Trump will press for Assange to be let go as a quid pro quo.

Personally I find it ridiculous for people to suggest that this was Assange's plan all along though, tbh. Assange has hated Hillary Clinton since 2010, when his organisation published documents exposing widespread wrongdoing by the US government and Clinton's own department, and instead of holding anybody accountable, she took the standard politician stance of attacking the whistleblowers instead. I strongly believe that Assange would have attacked Clinton regardless of who her opponent was - he very strongly advocated for Bernie Sanders in the primaries, after all. It's one of the reasons I find the supposed Wikileaks-Russia thing so asinine - following Occam's Razor, Assange's personal hatred of Hillary Clinton is more than enough to explain his actions, he wouldn't have needed payment or recruitment from any entity in order to motivate his sabotaging of his long time nemesis.

please helpThank YOU · 19-05-2017 06:28PM

Free Julian Assange great man great Whistleblower . Like our Great Irish Man Garda Maurice McCabe two great Men . I have a song for both of them. Two Great Men it is from AC/DC` For those about to rock (We Salute You).

humanji · 19-05-2017 07:04PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't think he will be safe wherever he goes. The US will try to get him by hook or by crook.

I don't think the US could give two f*cks about him at this point. Trump won't want to do anything as his followers think of Assange as a prophet delivering them from Clinton, and the democrats have no power. Similar to how I assume the UK will extradite him to Sweden as a technicality, he'd only have trouble in the States if someone there decided to go through the formalities of what would be a pointless exercise.

That said, I would like him to renege on his reneged promise to surrender to the US if Manning was released, as it would be interesting to see.

Wikileaks merge (Assange loses extradition appeal)

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