"Spiritual" People

Stonedpilot · 17-05-2017 07:39PM #1

I'd like to think I've an open mind and like going to talks/meditation and bascally anything involved in self discovery of self growth. It often amazes me how 'spiritual' people can be so petty and easily led. A case in point. I went to an event recently and people were at the start of it looking at a video of this guy 'Mooji' on youtube. The people at his talk in India were literally falling at his feet and kissing them!. When I pointed out at the event I was at that his knowledge of the Bible is non exisent I was met with scowls and scornful looks!. So much for peace and love eh!.

I often find these types get sucked into a 'New Age' buzz and will follow any old chancer who is meddling new age mysticism mixed with freemasonic teaching as gospel. These types are endless these days with celeb gurus now like Eckhart Tolle and Neale Donald Walsch. These guys are clearly charlatans in my book and someone with any sort of open or 'enlightened' mind should see this miles off but so many are taken in and the whole spiritual growth movement suffers because of it.

Rather than people growing from experience it's simply a case of the blind leading the blinds and it's kinda sad to see. Anyway off to chant naked on a mountain top now. Peace!.

Peregrine · 17-05-2017 07:42PM

It's good to be open-minded but not so open that your brains fall out.

the_barfly1 · 17-05-2017 07:42PM

There's nothing wrong with being spiritual. I watch all of this guys videos for guidance on how to be spiritually pure.

PMBC · 17-05-2017 07:44PM

I read a small bit of E Tolle but since I only borrowed the book I don't feel aggrieved. The stuff read OK but I did see a line about 'vibrations' which, unless its a book about Qunatum Physics or Mech Eng., made me vary.
In what way did you see him as a charlatan/chancer?

Erik Shin · 17-05-2017 07:44PM

When someone says,
"im not religious... but I am spiritual"
I hear,
"I'm not a cock...I'm a pretentious cock'

Zebra3 · 17-05-2017 07:46PM

Being spiritual and having a knowledge of the bible aren't necessarily connected.

After all the bible is full of hatred, glorifies war, ethnic cleansing and genocide and gives the thumbs up to incest and slavery.

Amongst other vile stuff.

And being spiritual is all a load of bollocks anyway.

diomed · 17-05-2017 08:06PM

Spiritual, short for I make my rules, good rules, you could do with a little yourself, and be as good as me. I connect with the universe, with nature, and is there anything else you would believe.

Widdershins · 17-05-2017 08:18PM

An ambiguous term.

Stonedpilot · 17-05-2017 08:23PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Being spiritual and having a knowledge of the bible aren't necessarily connected.

After all the bible is full of hatred, glorifies war, ethnic cleansing and genocide and gives the thumbs up to incest and slavery.

Amongst other vile stuff.

And being spiritual is all a load of bollocks anyway.

I only mentioned God and the Bible
As Mooji mentioned God and Jesus Christ several times in this talk. The violence etc in the book is a moot point. The point I was making was the Mooji fella was ignorant to the story of
Jesus who he referenced.
This guy sits there like a Demi God who is ignorant to something he talks about.

The_Valeyard · 17-05-2017 08:25PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Being spiritual and having a knowledge of the bible aren't necessarily connected.

After all the bible is full of hatred, glorifies war, ethnic cleansing and genocide and gives the thumbs up to incest and slavery.

Amongst other vile stuff.

And being spiritual is all a load of bollocks anyway.

Bit like organised atheism. Load of nonsense.

Roger Hassenforder · 17-05-2017 08:38PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Bit like organised atheism. Load of nonsense.

So not believing in something without a shred of evidence to support its existence, that requires a complete suspension of rational thought and its replacement with faith in a supernatural is nonsense...

greencap · 17-05-2017 08:51PM

tl;dr - set your skepticism to medium, delay investment.

The scowls happened because you pissed on their bonfire.
Next time maybe leave them to it, or mention your doubts in private conversation.
It can be easy to get swept along with a hopeful crowd, especially when the hope is for some badly needed answers/meaning.

I follow a rule of basically just watching/looking on when it comes to spiritual masters. Distance.
He/She won't mind me downloading content for free, not buying their book, or not making a donation/commitment, or adopting their politics, because the master is above such earthly chattel.

In fact I'm probably doing them a favor in not burdening them, eye of the needle and all that. I may even be elevated to a higher bliss for my wise action.

That said; I've actually broken my rule in buying 1 book and making a donation.
But I didn't care in that incidence as I'd watched plenty of content and even if it was all bullsht I was still entertained by a wonderfully written worthy production that merited the few bob.

Overall though the truth will be the truth at the end of the day, reality/life will piss on all delusional bonfires, so no need to take any slack doing lifes job.
Watch, listen for any real wisdom, take time, keep any good stuff and put it to lifes test for years.

If you notice a consistent performer, someone who's wisdom has consistently passed lifes tests, then maybe they deserve a subscription fee after all their years work. Worst case they entertained you for years.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-05-2017 08:57PM

Whatever gets them through the night

mzungu · 17-05-2017 09:10PM

Like...totally zen, dude!!

Widdershins · 17-05-2017 09:22PM

People who tell you they're spiritual and love and light make me very wary. I know quite a few hippies (well, there are no hippies anymore, but the modern version). There are some very dodgy characters in that crowd, masquerading as dopey, carrot - crunching stoners. Love and light my derriere..they're as dark it gets. The freethinkers and freespirits are often the 'normal' people, they just don't wear the 'uniform'.

suicide_circus · 17-05-2017 09:24PM

Spiritualism is religion for lightweights.

Donald Trump · 17-05-2017 09:29PM

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Stonedpilot · 17-05-2017 09:37PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Average Boards.ie user

Haha brilliant. Thanks for the laugh. Yep many these folk bash religion , think they are God consciouisness etc but have faces on them like smacked arses when you point out the absurdity of some of their beliefs.That lovey dovey shine goes out the window.

How Zen.

koumi · 17-05-2017 09:52PM

Widdershins wrote: »

dopey, carrot - crunching stoners.

I'm eating celery and listening to someone discussing scripture while sober. Multi-tasking like a boss.

Widdershins · 18-05-2017 10:37AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Spiritualism is religion for lightweights.

It used to be a Victorian movement of people who believed in spirits. I'm not really sure what it is now, It seems very vague and I think people who describe themselves as spiritual are trying to say they are 'deep' and thoughtful. As I said, I've found a lot of them to be weirdos.
It's been either the ordinary-looking conventional people or the bikers or people who sort of look a bit 'metal'-the ones who are taken for rough or scary- that I've felt most comfortable with.

The_Valeyard · 18-05-2017 10:40AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So not believing in something without a shred of evidence to support its existence, that requires a complete suspension of rational thought and its replacement with faith in a supernatural is nonsense...

I said forming a group about it was.

Definitely.

Getting together to form a club about not believing in something with your own symbols and leaders is nearly the same as a religious group.

Your Face · 18-05-2017 10:52AM

Just seems like another position taken with a view to defending it.

biko · 18-05-2017 11:02AM

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do.

When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

edit, not my words - see below

The_Valeyard · 18-05-2017 11:30AM

biko wrote: »

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do.

When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

You could at least give Stephen Roberts a nod there.

TPD · 18-05-2017 03:42PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So not believing in something without a shred of evidence to support its existence, that requires a complete suspension of rational thought and its replacement with faith in a supernatural is nonsense...

I said forming a group about it was.

Definitely.

Getting together to form a club about not believing in something with your own symbols and leaders is nearly the same as a religious group.

Out of interest, what are the clubs called, who are the leaders, and what are the symbols? I haven't believed in God since I was 6 or so but didn't realise I had to sign up to anything!

Roger Hassenforder · 18-05-2017 03:48PM

TPD wrote: »

Out of interest, what are the clubs called, who are the leaders, and what are the symbols? I haven't believed in God since I was 6 or so but didn't realise I had to sign up to anything!

What's the symbol for not believing in something?

I don't believe in fairies, is there a group that I should subscribe to their norms and rules. Why is a god any different? Is there an official dogma among those that share this absence of something?

The_Valeyard · 18-05-2017 08:26PM

TPD wrote: »

Out of interest, what are the clubs called, who are the leaders, and what are the symbols? I haven't believed in God since I was 6 or so but didn't realise I had to sign up to anything!

Atheist Ireland, symbols on their website. Led by Pontificate Micheal Nugent, preaching about the atheist way of life

......... · 18-05-2017 08:35PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Atheist Ireland, symbols on their website. Led by Pontificate Micheal Nugent, preaching about the atheist way of life

He's on a multiple of a government committees and consultative bodies, I wonder who decided he and 'atheist Ireland' should represent them ?

Sam Kade · 18-05-2017 10:01PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Bit like organised atheism. Load of nonsense.

A belief in nothing but they can't stop talking about God.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 18-05-2017 10:20PM

I've been a practitioner of meditation for the past two years. It has been a tremendously enjoyable and useful way of engaging with the spiritual side of my humanity. I've found that 15 minutes of silent practice in the morning, with a 10 minute loving-kindness practice session in the evening. has led to benefits that really allow me to be the man I want to be.
Since I filled the God Hole with mediation: I've been deemed 'not in keeping with our strategic values', built a cabin in the Canadian wilderness with some other high-achieving mediators, started a company involved in the use of blockchain to allow for cooperatives to trade energy with each other without a central authority.

......... · 18-05-2017 11:21PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I've been a practitioner of meditation for the past two years. It has been a tremendously enjoyable and useful way of engaging with the spiritual side of my humanity. I've found that 15 minutes of silent practice in the morning, with a 10 minute loving-kindness practice session in the evening. has led to benefits that really allow me to be the man I want to be.
Since I filled the God Hole with mediation: I've been deemed 'not in keeping with our strategic values', built a cabin in the Canadian wilderness with some other high-achieving mediators, started a company involved in the use of blockchain to allow for cooperatives to trade energy with each other without a central authority.

In Ireland we have a saying that has been developed through the mists of time . . .when you pull your head out of your arse . . . let us know.

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