Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Are you glad the Catholic Church in Ireland is finished ?

24567…11

Comments

  • #32
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Glenster wrote: »
    you say it's finished.

    I say holy redeemer church in bray is full for the 10.30 and 12.30 mass on a Sunday.

    Well, if the Holy Redeemer in Bray is full, then I guess the Catholic church is doing fine.
    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Wait til you see what the non-denominational / evangelical mega-churches which will step into the gap are like.

    They're not going to 'fill the gap', though, are they? Most people don't have a problem with private belief, it's the control over the social and political aspects in Ireland that are the issue.


  • #33
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Depp wrote: »
    the strength of a church is not about priests or nuns its about believers, and a quick look shows there are plenty. Its definitely not as strong as it has been in the past no doubt but thats just modern society. To say the church is dying or dead is a bit silly.

    I agree with you partially. It is silly to say it is 'dead' but I am not sure about the dying part. It faces an existential crises. Its clergy are very aged, the overwhelming bulk of its regular believers are very aged. This is an inescapable reality for the Church.


  • #34
    chillin117
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 731 ✭✭✭chillin117


    Depp wrote: »
    Oh great another church bashing thread haven't seen that before!
    Nobody bashing the church, Just an observation, Now come down from that High Horse, It's Dangerous ! ffs ! Did I hit a (deeply engraved) nerve ?
    It will take a while for this to ''Wash Out''


  • #35
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Yesterday my hair was cut by a Polish barber.
    And some recent masses I attended were celebrated by Polish priests.
    Much like the HSE and nursing homes many tasks are filled by new citizens born abroad.


  • #36
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,413 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Why does increase in sunshine lead to an increase in anti church threads.


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    chillin117
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 731 ✭✭✭chillin117


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Why does increase in sunshine lead to an increase in anti church threads.
    Where is this ''Anti Church'' ? Just an observation on Irish society. Debate or be a Keyboard Warrior.:confused:


  • #38
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Why does increase in sunshine lead to an increase in anti church threads.

    Because the sunshine makes people feel better and then they realize they don't need the church or hope or any of that malarkey.


  • #39
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,413 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    chillin117 wrote: »
    Where is this ''Anti Church'' ? Just an observation on Irish society. Debate or be a Keyboard Warrior.:confused:

    Where is any form of debate in the OP nonsense? Ah you are the OP and nonsense seems to be unavoidable reading thread in full.


  • #40
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    _Brian wrote: »

    I know it's not a popular opinion and I'm not a frequent church goer myself but I do know many young and old who have gotten great peace near the end of their lives from religion. It's a bit like the old saying "there's no atheists in foxholes".
    Nope.
    foxhole.jpg]


  • #41
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    chillin117 wrote: »
    Nobody bashing the church, Just an observation, Now come down from that High Horse, It's Dangerous ! ffs ! Did I hit a (deeply engraved) nerve ?
    It will take a while for this to ''Wash Out''

    I'd be one of the last to defend the organisation that is the Catholic Church but at least be honest. This is, of course, another church/religion bashing thread.


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    If the word Catholic was replaced with Muslim, Jew, traveller, transgender, red cards be handed out.


  • #43
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Still the largest religion in the Ireland, by a considerable distance.
    So I do wonder what's the point of the thread.


  • #44
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,082 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Depp wrote: »
    the strength of a church is not about priests or nuns its about believers, and a quick look shows there are plenty. Its definitely not as strong as it has been in the past no doubt but thats just modern society. To say the church is dying or dead is a bit silly.

    But people don't believe anymore either

    How many people believe that sex before marriage is a mortal sin?

    How many people refuse any kind of contraception (including the rhythm method and withdrawal)

    How many people still go to confession?

    The catholic church enforced all of these teachings with an iron fist in the good old days. People were publicly humiliated and shunned of they were called out from the pulpet.

    The RC church is in a massive decline. Most catholics don't believe in Catholicism anymore, people aren't afraid of the priest anymore.

    Ban billionaires



  • #45
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    There's a difference between the catholic church and being a catholic. Captain obvious to the rescue!


  • #46
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,413 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    If the word Catholic was replaced with Muslim, Jew, traveller, transgender, red cards be handed out.

    Maybe not. More likely thread locked after 8 posts.


  • #47
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    The problem which has afflicted society throughout the ages we always need something to believe in, religious or not.

    Today belief has moved to science. Once again it's followers support it passionately.

    Eventually science will be the cause of conflict and hardship.

    Humanity won't rid itself of its woes


  • #48
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    The RC church is far from being finished (in Ireland at least) but thankfully they do not have the same hold on the people they used to have and they can no longer dictate what we can and cannot do as people simply no longer stand for that crap.

    I was brought up a catholic, I served as an alter boy for a few years too. I made my first communion and confirmation and I was married in a RC church (albeit in Spain) but I have zero respect or time for the RC church. Their teachings are borderline ridiculous, a catholic Mass is just the most stupid nonsensical thing ever. Why grown people are expected to go to a church every week and sit down, kneel and stand up for no apparent reason and then ramble off a few nonsense rhymes all the while listening to made up stories being told by a man who has zero life experience and yet preaches about children and marriage and vows and other sh?te he has no personal knowledge of is beyond comprehension.


  • #49
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    As many have said here already the church is far from finished, infact they still enjoy a very privileged position in this country and will fight tooth and nail to remain in that position, it's entrenched in them.

    Granted people don't generally listen too much to the church there days, an example being that 78% of people apparently consider themselves Catholic yet 62% of people still voted for gay marriage, which the church is staunchly against (and the Vatican called "a defeat for humanity"), quite an obvious contradiction, which casts the stats into serious doubt.

    The most tragic thing though is the stone age bullshít children are subjected to on a daily basis in our publicly funded primary schools. They're taught faith based creationism (in other words foundationless fairy stories) over scientific fact.....tragic.


  • #50
    Glenster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Well, if the Holy Redeemer in Bray is full, then I guess the Catholic church is doing fine

    doing fine in bray anyway.


  • #51
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,226 ✭✭✭gifted


    My eldest girl made her communion last saturday, it was a beautiful day, all started with a wonderful mass celebrated by 2 of the most approachable priests I have ever met...one in his early 50s and the other in his 30s. The relaxed and very humourous atmosphere at the mass was brilliant. The kids were so relaxed and happy because the priests had been up to their school numerous times rehearsing the big day.

    I don't think the church is finished. It's seriously in trouble and rightly so because of what happened in the past but if they are getting priests of the calibre of what we have here then I feel there is hope.


  • Advertisement
  • #52
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    gifted wrote: »
    My eldest girl made her communion last saturday, it was a beautiful day, all started with a wonderful mass celebrated by 2 of the most approachable priests I have ever met...one in his early 50s and the other in his 30s. The relaxed and very humourous atmosphere at the mass was brilliant. The kids were so relaxed and happy because the priests had been up to their school numerous times rehearsing the big day.

    I don't think the church is finished. It's seriously in trouble and rightly so because of what happened in the past but if they are getting priests of the calibre of what we have here then I feel there is hope.

    2 very talented salesmen by the sounds of things gifted.


  • #53
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    a man who has zero life experience and yet preaches about children and marriage and vows and other sh?te he has no personal knowledge of is beyond comprehension.


    What's beyond my comprehension is why you would assume that any man by virtue of the fact that they are a member of the clergy would have 'zero life experience'? How are you concluding that they have no personal knowledge of children, marriage, vows and other sh?te just because such a concept is indeed beyond your own comprehension?

    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    The most tragic thing though is the stone age bullshít children are subjected to on a daily basis in our publicly funded primary schools. They're taught faith based creationism (in other words foundationless fairy stories) over scientific fact.....tragic.


    You might want to run and tell their parents that. I imagine most of them will simply look at you as though you're a bit out of touch with reality.


  • #54
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,831 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Nabber wrote: »
    The problem which has afflicted society throughout the ages we always need something to believe in, religious or not.

    Today belief has moved to science. Once again it's followers support it passionately.

    Eventually science will be the cause of conflict and hardship.

    Humanity won't rid itself of its woe    s

    This is very true we even see it now with climate change, vaccinations etc. Scientists trying to come up with the new thing in a way its a religon also


  • #55
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    What's beyond my comprehension is why you would assume that any man by virtue of the fact that they are a member of the clergy would have 'zero life experience'? How are you concluding that they have no personal knowledge of children, marriage, vows and other sh?te just because such a concept is indeed beyond your own comprehension?

    Because the vast majority of them went straight from school into the seminary. They have no experience of bringing up they're own children, married life, etc. They live sheltered lives in houses provided for them, many of them have never had a proper job earning their own money. How can someone like that then stand up and preach to others on how to live as a family, how to bring up our children etc etc

    My main point being is that priests should be allowed marry and have normal lives before being in a position to preach to others on how to live their lives.


  • #56
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    You might want to run and tell their parents that. I imagine most of them will simply look at you as though you're a bit out of touch with reality.

    haha well that is ironic One eyed Jack I'll give you that, "out of touch with reality" would be a perfect slogan for the teaching of the Catholic church. They're an organisation with many definite answers to big questions, just little or no proof to back up their answers.

    Ps, in fairnees most of those parents are also products of the same education system as their children so there's little point in trying to reason with them, see how the cycle just goes on and on and on to the benefit of the church.


  • #57
    milehip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭milehip


    Nature abhors a vacuum,
    would you prefer to be facing East 5 times a day?


  • #58
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,226 ✭✭✭gifted


    Huntergonzo wrote: »
    2 very talented salesmen by the sounds of things gifted.

    No, just genuine people.


  • #59
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    gifted wrote: »
    No, just genuine people.

    Maybe so, I didn't meet them so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but look at the organisation they work for, it's a shame to lose genuine people to such a profession.


  • #60
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    _Brian wrote: »
    I know it's not a popular opinion and I'm not a frequent church goer myself but I do know many young and old who have gotten great peace near the end of their lives from religion. It's a bit like the old saying "there's no atheists in foxholes".

    I effing hate that expression. F anyone who dares co-opt the suffering and pain of those in their last moments to make a bullshnip claim like that.

    1. You have no clue what people are feeling when they die. Okay a few people you spoke to were comforted, how about the countless others who weren't? Or those for whom it was terrifying? Who wondered seriously if they might not be headed to Hell.

    2. What does it say about something that when faced with death and the terrible anguish that often accompanies it they suddenly discover faith? That sounds like belief at peril of persecution to me.


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    If the word Catholic was replaced with Muslim, Jew, traveller, transgender, red cards be handed out.

    If "RC bishop who protected RC priest from prosecution for raping kids" was replaced with Muslim, rabbi, swimming official, youth club leader, they'd have been put in jail.

    Needless to say the cowardly Catholics who feel their crooked institution is under attack never called for the full application of the law against those who participated in the paedophile rings that existed within their beloved Mafiosi, I mean, church.

    Until the law of the land is applied equally against all those scumbags and Catholics demand it, tough shit.


Advertisement
Advertisement