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Oxford student who stabbed boyfriend could avoid jail cos of her future job

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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lux23 wrote: »
    And is this not exactly what men in this thread are doing. They are perfectly within their rights to, so what is the problem?
    Yes, but in this case it's a valid an accurate argument.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

    Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

    Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

    Justice wears a blindfold to discourage the very thing that happened in this case.

    lady-justice-legal-law.jpg


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

    Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

    Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

    If they don't put the 100+ conviction scrotes in prison and won't lock up the leg stabbers with potential, who exactly is filling the gaols?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    :rolleyes:


    Ah yeah, she looks attractive and intelligent, let her away with it, sure why not.

    By the way, I genuinely mean this...not just joking.

    If I was on a jury that decided on her fate, I would vote not guilty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭blue note


    jeanjolie wrote:
    If I was on a jury that decided on her fate, I would vote not guilty.


    Why?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

    Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

    So we should only jail the unattractive and stupid?

    I always thought that that line in Billy Joel's song was bollocks. Apparantly not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    This will come back to haunt whatever hospital hires her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    blue note wrote: »
    Why?

    She has potential and honestly she didn't actually kill anyone. If she did, then my tone would be quite different but it was only assault and she is not a repeat offender.

    tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

    Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

    Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

    Yes she knifed her boyfriend in the leg. I'm not condoning that. What are the full facts of the case? Was she mentally unsound at the time? Hormonal? Was he ever abusive to her? etc. etc.

    The facts of the case are in the link. She would have got a custodial sentence (possibly suspended) except she's purdy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    She has potential and honestly she didn't actually kill anyone. If she did, then my tone would be quite different but it was only assault and she is not a repeat offender.

    tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.

    Your job were you on the jury is to decide the case on the facts, not emotion or class bias.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    Your job as the jury is to decide the case on the facts, not emotion or class bias.

    Well that's my own interpretation of morality and If I'm ever asked to serve on jury duty, I would do the same thing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    the_syco wrote: »
    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent/ar-BBBdhJd?li=AAadgLE



    There's getting off light, and there's getting off scot-free. What a load of bo||ox; the b|tch has issues, and is getting away after stabbing someone.
    Lavinia Woodward if she was in Ireland. The same thing would happen here. there is one law for the rich and one law for the poor. if you come from `Privileged parents and a posh part of Dublin,Cork,Limerick Galway the, Law is rigged in favour of the rich/wealth.:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    What type of drug is she addict to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.

    Courts shouldn't care about whether someone 'looks innocent'. They should care about whether they were found innocent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Well that's my own interpretation of morality and If I'm ever asked to serve on jury duty, I would do the same thing.

    Then you possiblywould be kicked off the jury and a retrial might take place.

    It's not that hard. The question for you isn't sentencing. The judge can, as we see, decide to not sentence severely. The question for the jurist is guilt based on the facts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    Justice wears a blindfold to discourage the very thing that happened in this case.

    lady-justice-legal-law.jpg
    There is no justice in any of the Irish Courts there are just full of Man made unjust laws. ` Justice` is the next life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    To those saying that because of her potentially becoming a doctor she deserves not to get a conviction consider that.
    She is young but not that young 24 isn't troubled 18 year old territory.
    She has proven she is erratic and unstable in periods of high stress and heightened emotions, if she becomes a trauma surgeon what sort of situations do you think she is going to be exposed too? She is a "drug addict" and one for whom drugs make her violent, is it safe for her to be around large amounts of prescribed drugs.
    As a further point to this, the apparent abuse happened in a previous relationship, she didn't take it out on that partner, she took it out on a completely innocent man, say she is working in the caring professions and she has to deal with a convicted domestic abuser, whats her reaction going to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    An example of women not being held to the same standards as men


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    An example of women not being held to the same standards as men

    Generally speaking they're not as dangerous as men, so maybe they shouldn't be held to the same standards?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,436 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Generally speaking they're not as dangerous as men, so maybe they shouldn't be held to the same standards?

    How is a woman with a knife less dangerous than a man with a knife. Both can stab someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    Generally speaking they're not as dangerous as men, so maybe they shouldn't be held to the same standards?

    Assessing people based on group risk might be fine for something like insurance, but I don't think it has a place in a justice system. People should be judged on their own actions.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    pjohnson wrote: »
    How is a woman with a knife less dangerous than a man with a knife. Both can stab someone.

    Well for e.g., in the USA only 11% of murders are committed by women.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    Generally speaking they're not as dangerous as men, so maybe they shouldn't be held to the same standards?

    So much for equality


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    riemann wrote: »
    So much for equality

    Equality is required in some areas but there'll always be differences between men and women. Women are less of a threat to people in general, safer drivers etc. These are just facts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Stories like this stand out because they are so rare in comparison to men attacking women and other men. A man stabs someone, big deal, happens all the time. If a woman does it then it gets in the newspapers etc. The same with rape, if a woman raped a man it would get headlines, while if a man raped a woman it would be just like 90% plus of rape cases.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    riemann wrote: »
    So much for equality

    The overwhelming majority of rapes, murders, violent assaults and so on are committed by men.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    To those saying that because of her potentially becoming a doctor she deserves not to get a conviction consider that.
    She is young but not that young 24 isn't troubled 18 year old territory.
    She has proven she is erratic and unstable in periods of high stress and heightened emotions, if she becomes a trauma surgeon what sort of situations do you think she is going to be exposed too? She is a "drug addict" and one for whom drugs make her violent, is it safe for her to be around large amounts of prescribed drugs.
    As a further point to this, the apparent abuse happened in a previous relationship, she didn't take it out on that partner, she took it out on a completely innocent man, say she is working in the caring professions and she has to deal with a convicted domestic abuser, whats her reaction going to be.

    I agree that she shouldn't be sentenced but at this point, will it make a difference?

    Thinking about this...her reputation is probably already damaged. Her image and story have been plastered all over the internet and media, not to mention the obvious portrayal that will carry on even if she doesn't get sentenced that she's an entitled privileged white woman who got off scot-free.

    Better she goes off into acting. Probably would actually have it easier now and gain more money. Looks like her career is finished.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,436 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well for e.g., in the USA only 11% of murders are committed by women.

    So that means this woman is somehow innocent? Is this gunna be some new kind of weird equality/tokenism?


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