PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

Kalel90 · 16-05-2017 3:36pm

101 then asked to be put through for recruitment.

Drummer64 · 16-05-2017 7:49pm

Anyone else pass vetting yet? Or is everyone still ongoing?

Timetravel · 16-05-2017 8:41pm

Still ongoing 2 weeks ago

Drummer64 · 16-05-2017 9:19pm

Yeah I'm still ongoing as of yesterday

Kalel90 · 27-05-2017 5:21pm

Hi, looking some advice. Recently received a letter from vetting rejecting my application due to driving with no insurance in 2015 (My parents had bought a new car and i drove it home for them as my dads disabled and couldn't drive the other vehicle. Turned out my own insurance didn't cover me driving it home and i got 6 points and a fine). Never had any car or any other issues bar this. Any advice on how i could go about appealing this decision as pretty devastated at this stage or am i grasping at straws?

Any advice appreciated.

C3POPO · 27-05-2017 5:39pm

Kalel90 wrote: »

Hi, looking some advice. Recently received a letter from vetting rejecting my application due to driving with no insurance in 2015 (My parents had bought a new car and i drove it home for them as my dads disabled and couldn't drive the other vehicle. Turned out my own insurance didn't cover me driving it home and i got 6 points and a fine). Never had any car or any other issues bar this. Any advice on how i could go about appealing this decision as pretty devastated at this stage or am i grasping at straws?

Any advice appreciated.

Guidance on JoinPSNI.co.uk:

(ii) Motoring Offences
The following applicants will not be considered further:

those who have been convicted of causing death by reckless (or dangerous) driving;
anyone who has received more than one period of disqualification from driving;
until 10 years has elapsed since conviction for any of the following: Dangerous Driving; 'Hit and Run Accident' offences, Drink Driving offences (including drugs), Driving Whilst Disqualified; Taking a Vehicle Without Authority; Vehicle Interference and associated forging or fraudulently altering documents.
permitting any of the offences at (c) above.
until 5 years has elapsed since conviction for no insurance.
until 5 years has elapsed since conviction for two or more convictions for regulatory offences.
has been convicted on three or more occasions arising separately of any other offences under the Road Traffic Orders or any equivalent offences elsewhere within 5 years from the date of application.

Looks like (ii)5 applies - you have to wait 5 years for the conviction to expire

Homer01 · 27-05-2017 6:05pm

That's a sh*t one kalel. I was coming on to say appeal, appeal, appeal but it looks like it is pretty black and white from the outset.

Still might be worth a try though. Although if your circumstances didn't work at the time it may not work now but nothing to lose and all that.

Edit: did you disclose this in your vetting forms? If you didn't then sadly your chances are mega slim I'm afraid.

Kalel90 · 27-05-2017 6:26pm

Cheers guys! Yeah i disclosed everything and the situation in which it happened. I obviously had insurance, just unaware it didn't cover me on that car. The officer himself said the amount of times it happens and people assume. A lesson learned with 6 points and a fine but devastated it has ruined the chances of this after getting so far. Will appeal as nothing to lose! Thanks for the help!

Timetravel · 27-05-2017 6:40pm

That's a hard one to take kalel. You in for harbour police at the min? If not might be worth looking at police jobs across the water if you can't apply for X amount of time here.. that's what I would do anyway.

Kalel90 · 27-05-2017 6:45pm

Yeah had an interview but got the dear john for that two days ago. Not a good week haha! If i can talk the Mrs into it. Enjoy the job i'm in so thats the silver lining but still absolutely gutted!

shanevendrell · 27-05-2017 8:44pm

Like the others have said it was there in black in white from the very start so i'm not sure you're going to have much luck to be honest.

Gather as many character references as you can, write an extremely heartfelt letter explaining the circumstances and hope you catch the appeals panel on the right day.

wonkyempresso · 02-06-2017 11:59pm

Hey. Recently done vetting forms but didn't include my mother and fathers partners as i never lived with them and dont see them as step parents. I now think I should have included them from reading some posts. Do you guys think i woauld be able to ring vetting and get them added on?

Homer01 · 03-06-2017 8:47am

wonkyempresso wrote: »

Hey. Recently done vetting forms but didn't include my mother and fathers partners as i never lived with them and dont see them as step parents. I now think I should have included them from reading some posts. Do you guys think i woauld be able to ring vetting and get them added on?

It would do no harm to call recruitment and get advice. Call 101 and ask for recruitment.

shanevendrell · 03-06-2017 1:03pm

Email and see the craic, you could be surprised to find it might have already cleared.

Mines is cleared now too btw

just over 3 months it took. In the waiting room now.

Ponif · 07-06-2017 9:25pm

Hello, been lurking these forums for a while and the advice being handed out here seems pretty good so I was just wondering if you lot might be able to ease a concern of mine regarding vetting, now most of my immediate and extended family have clean records but I do have a half brother whom I have not had contact with for over ten years, (although I have no explicit proof of this) recently I typed his name into google to see what he was up too and discovered an article by the times with his mug on the front cover, turns out he was involved in a cyber attack on the home office taking the website down for a couple of hours. This came as a complete surprise to me and I was wondering if my relation to him may lead to my rejection at the vetting stage.

I have not spoken to him either on the phone or in person for nearly ten years and I have no intention of contacting him at all or any desire to reconcile with him, I have no idea where he lives or what he is doing right now but it still is a pretty big concern for myself at the moment as I've been prepping pretty hard in anticipation for the upcoming campaign and it would be quite a big letdown if I got rejected based on the activities of a man I hardly even know. (Even when I was in contact with him, it was done on a annual basis and was very limited, since I was a child at the time and he was working in London for a banking firm)

majgreen · 07-06-2017 10:36pm

Ponif wrote: »

Hello, been lurking these forums for a while and the advice being handed out here seems pretty good so I was just wondering if you lot might be able to ease a concern of mine regarding vetting, now most of my immediate and extended family have clean records but I do have a half brother whom I have not had contact with for over ten years, (although I have no explicit proof of this) recently I typed his name into google to see what he was up too and discovered an article by the times with his mug on the front cover, turns out he was involved in a cyber attack on the home office taking the website down for a couple of hours. This came as a complete surprise to me and I was wondering if my relation to him may lead to my rejection at the vetting stage.

I have not spoken to him either on the phone or in person for nearly ten years and I have no intention of contacting him at all or any desire to reconcile with him, I have no idea where he lives or what he is doing right now but it still is a pretty big concern for myself at the moment as I've been prepping pretty hard in anticipation for the upcoming campaign and it would be quite a big letdown if I got rejected based on the activities of a man I hardly even know. (Even when I was in contact with him, it was done on a annual basis and was very limited, since I was a child at the time and he was working in London for a banking firm)

Hi Ponif, welcome to the board.

On reading your post my initial thought is that your application may be rejected from the outset. I completely appreciate your comments and understand where you are coming from, however it's a pretty serious offence to be charged with and the PSNI will have to consider whether it would be a risk. Having said that, I can imagine an appeal could be successful (usually an interview with senior officers).

Your best bet is to be open and honest from the outset. Provided you and your immediate family have clean records then it should go in your favour, but just prepare yourself for a potential stumbling block. I hope all goes well for your application, fingers crossed it doesn't hold you back

Ponif · 07-06-2017 11:08pm

I should add that I have no idea if he was ever charged with anything, as the article does not indicate if he was. It's really a crapshoot because I know literally nothing about him. But thanks for the advice anyway, although I guess will have to wait and see never intended to be anything but open and honest

I would link the article but alas, I cannot post links since I'm a new user.

goodburger1 · 11-06-2017 6:27pm

wonkyempresso wrote: »

Hey. Recently done vetting forms but didn't include my mother and fathers partners as i never lived with them and dont see them as step parents. I now think I should have included them from reading some posts. Do you guys think i woauld be able to ring vetting and get them added on?

I didn't include my dad's wife and my vetting cleared. She isn't my step mum so I didn't list her.

Kalel90 · 28-07-2017 11:02am

Hi,

Posted on here before about a motoring offence and failing vetting due to it. I had appealed the decision with a few character references and the independent assessor overturned it in my favour.

Just some hope for anyone in a similar situation, obviously everyones individual case is different but it is always worth appealing!!

Babybuns · 30-08-2017 11:06am

How do you know if your vetting passed?

ColourArcade · 30-08-2017 11:32am

Babybuns wrote: »

How do you know if your vetting passed?

You don't really, you would need to get in contact with Recruitment and they will be able to tell you.
Call 101 and ask to speak to recruitment.

Timetravel · 30-08-2017 11:33am

Babybuns wrote: »

How do you know if your vetting passed?

Email the recruitment email address and give them your UID number they will tell you.

Or ring 101 and ask for recruitment

Rossco22 · 04-09-2017 6:41pm

Hi guys,

My first post here, I'm hoping to apply in the coming recruitment drive however I was seeking clarification around the vetting stage with regards to financials, specifically would a CCJ be grounds for failing the vetting process?

I would greatly appreciate any reply and apologies if this has been asked previously.

Drummer64 · 04-09-2017 9:03pm

Rossco22 wrote: »

Hi guys,

My first post here, I'm hoping to apply in the coming recruitment drive however I was seeking clarification around the vetting stage with regards to financials, specifically would a CCJ be grounds for failing the vetting process?

I would greatly appreciate any reply and apologies if this has been asked previously.

They do mention taking ccjs in to consideration. I think there is an amount of time that had to pass. But my advice is apply anyway. Considering the fact recruitment hasn't opened yet and it could take 2-3 years to get to vetting you could be in the clear by the time you get vetted! Apply and cross your fingers

Rossco22 · 04-09-2017 9:43pm

Thank you Drummer, appreciate the reply! Yea I think I'll just go for it and hope for the best haha!

Homer01 · 13-09-2017 7:51am

When they open the new campaign you should try to get to one the information sessions. They normally have someone from HR there who might be able to help you

As Drummer said you should definitely apply and when it comes to vetting put down as much information as possible.

Goonerdee · 13-09-2017 10:41am

Rossco22 wrote: »

Hi guys,

My first post here, I'm hoping to apply in the coming recruitment drive however I was seeking clarification around the vetting stage with regards to financials, specifically would a CCJ be grounds for failing the vetting process?

I would greatly appreciate any reply and apologies if this has been asked previously.

I know in the England and Wales forces financial problems were not a barrier as long as they were discharged for at least a year, everything up to bankruptcy was OK.

Pumba91 · 17-09-2017 12:07pm

I know it's probably been touched on quite a bit on here but just a few questions about tattoos:

1) is there a certain location for tattoos that's a definite no? I mean like even a certain length down the arms?

2) how strict are they about stuff. Obviously you cant have anything sectarian or offensive but if it's anything else S it generally ok?

3) what are they like about tattoos gained after you join?

I don't have any at the moment just curious because it's something I would have been interested in

Homer01 · 17-09-2017 5:17pm

Pumba91 wrote: »

I know it's probably been touched on quite a bit on here but just a few questions about tattoos:

1) is there a certain location for tattoos that's a definite no? I mean like even a certain length down the arms?

2) how strict are they about stuff. Obviously you cant have anything sectarian or offensive but if it's anything else S it generally ok?

3) what are they like about tattoos gained after you join?

I don't have any at the moment just curious because it's something I would have been interested in

Off the top of my head;

1) Hands, face and neck are the obvious culprits. As long it can be covered with your uniform you 'should' be alright.

2) There was a guy recently who failed vetting as his half sleeve forearm was 'violent and intimidating' although he said it wasn't. Appealed and failed.

3) Seems to be stricter on entry than afterwards. Common sense would be a good rule thumb. Maj did say some supervisors are stricter than others about what's on show.

Razor3677 · 10-10-2017 11:10am

I was looking through the new website and seen that as part of the vetting they look at your wider extended family. I was just wondering, what happens if you're not in contact with a lot of your wider extended family? I don't know many of them and I'm not sure if they've been on the wrong side of the law. If they have, could this affect me joining and would I need to declare any issues they've had?

blueboat · 10-10-2017 11:15am

Give as much detail as you can and just be honest. Explain that your no longer in contact or not possible to obtain required information with reasoning.

NiK9 · 10-10-2017 7:37pm

Razor3677 wrote: »

I was looking through the new website and seen that as part of the vetting they look at your wider extended family. I was just wondering, what happens if you're not in contact with a lot of your wider extended family? I don't know many of them and I'm not sure if they've been on the wrong side of the law. If they have, could this affect me joining and would I need to declare any issues they've had?

Ive never went through psni vetting before but i have went through "developed vetting" for past work, which is the highest level in the UK.
Put as much detail as you can about everything, if you don't know it then you don't know it, just don't leave simple things blank to save time.
The vetting officers don't expect you to go and ask everyone their details as that would raise some eyebrows. (You could say youre doing a family tree thing online?)
Also don't leave anything about yourself out, no matter how long ago or how small it is. I'm sure 99% of people have had their details took as some stage for silly things like underage drinking, or at a VCP etc etc. If you are worrying about it you can do a "subject access request" from the PSNI.
This is like a freedom of information request and the police give you everything they have about you that's on their system, and it only costs £10

https://www.psni.police.uk/globalassets/advice--information/information-about-yourself/dat11.pdf

KN1231999 · 05-02-2018 2:05am

Got a vetting question which I would love a little input on, I'm trying to finish filling out Hess forms but when it comes to my employment, my employers company policy does not allow me to put down my supervisors names, do I just declare this on the continuation page? (I'm still a full time student by the way maybe I can put my year head teacher in as a "Current supervisor? I'm not sure what to do, any help would be appreciated
Thanks
KN

NiK9 · 05-02-2018 2:12am

As far as I can remember there is a box to tick that says you dont have full details? Tick it and put in company's name, address and phone number but leave supervisor name blank.
That's what I had to do as a person who over seen my contracts left mid Jan and no one has been hired to replace them yet so I technically don't have a manager/supervisor.

KN1231999 · 05-02-2018 2:14am

NiK9 wrote: »

As far as I can remember there is a box to tick that says you dont have full details? Tick it and put in company's name, address and phone number but leave supervisor name blank.
That's what I had to do as a person who over seen my contracts left mid Jan and no one has been hired to replace them yet so I technically don't have a manager/supervisor.

Ah I will do this then, and explain on the continuation page

Koph89 · 11-02-2018 8:08pm

Hi all, just wondering if someone more technically literate than myself could answer a quick question...
What exactly is the unique id or identifier for social media? Is it a url? Is it easy to find it?
Thanks so much

NiK9 · 11-02-2018 11:26pm

Koph89 wrote: »

Hi all, just wondering if someone more technically literate than myself could answer a quick question...
What exactly is the unique id or identifier for social media? Is it a url? Is it easy to find it?
Thanks so much

Depends what social media you're talking about.

Instagram ID is your username.

Facebook is the URL you get when you click on your name that takes you to your homepage.

This is what it says on google:
"Your Facebook personal profile URL is the URL you get to when you click on your name in the upper left of the Facebook home page. It should look something like this: https://www.facebook.com/JohnDoe. https://m.facebook.com/sally.struthers."

Koph89 · 12-02-2018 5:36pm

Thanks NiK9 - think I was overthinking it and making it more complicated than i thought.
Best of luck with your recruitment journey.

Davidb1988 · 14-04-2018 11:31am

Just wondering if anyone in the last year or so has been accepted with lower arm tattoos? I’ve supplied photos etc with my vetting forms but still ancious on how acceptable they would be to a sleeve tattoo? I’ve noted it’s not seen with a long sleeve shirt, and I’d happily wear long sleeves 24/7 if required. Have PCA soon and would be gutted if it was vetting of tattoo to let me down.

Homer01 · 14-04-2018 3:22pm

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone in the last year or so has been accepted with lower arm tattoos? I’ve supplied photos etc with my vetting forms but still ancious on how acceptable they would be to a sleeve tattoo? I’ve noted it’s not seen with a long sleeve shirt, and I’d happily wear long sleeves 24/7 if required. Have PCA soon and would be gutted if it was vetting of tattoo to let me down.

I've seen a few guys recently in GV with forearm tattoos. One which was heavily tattooed.

Think it's more about the content and what they deem acceptable.

Davidb1988 · 15-04-2018 7:55am

Homer01 wrote: »

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone in the last year or so has been accepted with lower arm tattoos? I’ve supplied photos etc with my vetting forms but still ancious on how acceptable they would be to a sleeve tattoo? I’ve noted it’s not seen with a long sleeve shirt, and I’d happily wear long sleeves 24/7 if required. Have PCA soon and would be gutted if it was vetting of tattoo to let me down.

I've seen a few guys recently in GV with forearm tattoos. One which was heavily tattooed.

Think it's more about the content and what they deem acceptable.

Ok cheers - just hoping it all goes ok now. Would rather they have a more detailed policy from the start - detailing what can be deemed intimidating etc.

majgreen · 15-04-2018 7:18pm

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Homer01 wrote: »

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone in the last year or so has been accepted with lower arm tattoos? I’ve supplied photos etc with my vetting forms but still ancious on how acceptable they would be to a sleeve tattoo? I’ve noted it’s not seen with a long sleeve shirt, and I’d happily wear long sleeves 24/7 if required. Have PCA soon and would be gutted if it was vetting of tattoo to let me down.

I've seen a few guys recently in GV with forearm tattoos. One which was heavily tattooed.

Think it's more about the content and what they deem acceptable.

Ok cheers - just hoping it all goes ok now. Would rather they have a more detailed policy from the start - detailing what can be deemed intimidating etc.

The policy on tattoos has changed recently and from my understanding it has relaxed a bit. That said, the majority of Supervisors will enforce the rule that tattoos are covered by uniform. Without knowing what your tattoos are it would be hard to comment, however I've seen a little bit of everything, from football crests to tribal patterns. So long as it's nothing macabre or gruesome then I can't see too much of an issue

Davidb1988 · 16-04-2018 4:55pm

majgreen wrote: »

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Homer01 wrote: »

Davidb1988 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone in the last year or so has been accepted with lower arm tattoos? I’ve supplied photos etc with my vetting forms but still ancious on how acceptable they would be to a sleeve tattoo? I’ve noted it’s not seen with a long sleeve shirt, and I’d happily wear long sleeves 24/7 if required. Have PCA soon and would be gutted if it was vetting of tattoo to let me down.

I've seen a few guys recently in GV with forearm tattoos. One which was heavily tattooed.

Think it's more about the content and what they deem acceptable.

Ok cheers - just hoping it all goes ok now. Would rather they have a more detailed policy from the start - detailing what can be deemed intimidating etc.

The policy on tattoos has changed recently and from my understanding it has relaxed a bit. That said, the majority of Supervisors will enforce the rule that tattoos are covered by uniform. Without knowing what your tattoos are it would be hard to comment, however I've seen a little bit of everything, from football crests to tribal patterns. So long as it's nothing macabre or gruesome then I can't see too much of an issue

Thanks for that Maj, yea none of them are anything obscene or anything, only one I have a slight worry about is a Japanese Hannya mask.. - suppose I need to just let things run and see what happens, its out of my control now.

Cand1 · 16-08-2018 9:23am

With regards to previous employment does anyone know what it is they vet? I've a very simple history other than a few jobs changes recently. Do they contact employers?

Cand1 · 16-08-2018 9:24am

With regards to previous employment does anyone know what it is they vet? I've a very simple history other than a few jobs changes recently. Do they contact employers?

Bafta12 · 30-11-2018 11:08am

Hi, wondering if anyone can help. Recently failed vetting, they gave me the reason as to why so I will appeal this decision. But my question is, will this be the only reason I have failed? Have I passed all other aspects of vetting? Reason for asking, I don’t want to appeal and it be successful for them to turn round and say “no well this is another reason...”. If anyone has any info, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Unperturbed Zero · 06-08-2019 9:05am

Have completed my vetting forms only to realize I haven't been asked for any character references - is this to be expected or have I missed something? 1810 - most recent campaign.

scuba lad · 10-09-2019 11:31am

Do you get notification(email) if you have passed overall vetting or just SMT

SAPY · 10-09-2019 6:37pm

scuba lad wrote: »

Do you get notification(email) if you have passed overall vetting or just SMT

I got mine together although it seems my vetting went fast. I would say that not hearing anything is a good thing as they will probably only email you if you fail the smt until all other vetting clears.

Imogenr1 · 12-09-2019 12:35pm

scuba lad wrote: »

Do you get notification(email) if you have passed overall vetting or just SMT

I got an email to say my vetting was through and passed before I attended my medical. My medical was less than 2 weeks after my PCA. I was told at my medical it could be 2 weeks before the results of my SMT. I got the results of my medical the day after I did it and passed. So that’s all I’m waiting on, assuming I’ll find out over email. Working my way through online learning and hoping to get a start date soon enough (wishful thinking I know)

PSNI Recruitment - Stage 3 - Vetting

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