Have you got a Public Services Card?

Parchment · 12-05-2017 06:10PM

Egypt Damaged Spit wrote: »

It will be at some point in your life.

I think they are also looking at incorporating driving licences at some point.

Just to add..it's also Not a national identity card.

I was told today on the phone to DSP that i wasnt obligated to get it anytime soon. I rang to cancel my appointment she said that eventually everyone with a PPS number would have to get it. She then said when would i like another appointment and i said December and she said "ok".

Weird.

uck51js9zml2yt · 12-05-2017 06:21PM

Parchment wrote: »

I was told today on the phone to DSP that i wasnt obligated to get it anytime soon. I rang to cancel my appointment she said that eventually everyone with a PPS number would have to get it. She then said when would i like another appointment and i said December and she said "ok".

Weird.

As I said..at some point in your life you will interact with a government agency and will require it.

From what we were told. It will take 10 Minutes in any social welfare office.
Just avoid the PPS office in Parnell Street.

jacob2 · 12-05-2017 06:25PM

good ice scraper dont leave home without it

RustyNut · 12-05-2017 06:30PM

Egypt Damaged Spit wrote: »

Just to add..it's also Not a national identity card.

Not yet, it certainly seems like a backdoor way of introducing them. Some excuse will be thought up to make carrying it compulsory.

Jurgen Klopp · 12-05-2017 06:30PM

The idea I believe is to help with welfare fraud, with you pic on the database. To stop those with several PPS numbers

Although I have my suspicions somehow it won't work

r93kaey5p2izun · 12-05-2017 06:41PM

I'm the only person I know who hasn't got this card. I had wondered if I had missed a letter or something, but I don't need it. The locations for the appointments are strange. In my household my mother had to go to Cumberland Street, my father to Amiens Street and my brother to Tallaght. We live in Clondalkin and apparently there's an office here so no idea why they had to traipse all over.

SPDUB · 12-05-2017 06:52PM

Darwin wrote: »

Got a letter recently inviting me to an appointment for one of these cards. The letter went to an address I haven't lived at for 22 years!
Dept. of Revenue have my correct address, both departments have my PRSI no., clearly their IT Systems live in different worlds.

That's my design .

For privacy reasons there is limitations on the information that can be routinely shared .

Parchment · 12-05-2017 07:38PM

Danna Dead Starlet wrote: »

I'm the only person I know who hasn't got this card. I had wondered if I had missed a letter or something, but I don't need it. The locations for the appointments are strange. In my household my mother had to go to Cumberland Street, my father to Amiens Street and my brother to Tallaght. We live in Clondalkin and apparently there's an office here so no idea why they had to traipse all over.

Also the appointments are geared for people who dont work - mine was at 11.30 on a weekday.

Also when i rang i said "i dont need this - i dont use any of your services" and the woman on the phone said incredulously "you are not in receipt of any benefits?".

12-05-2017 07:42PM

I don't have one. Never needed one. If the letter was sent out it was probably to my Mother's house. Although she would probably tell me about it as she opens all my mail :rolleyes:

boobycharlton · 12-05-2017 07:45PM

I have one from when I was unemployed a few years back. Had to go to an office on Amiens Street to get it. Lad working there had serious trouble using the camera to take my pic, but other then that was hassle free.

Just replaces old white PPS card. Not used it in years.

threetrees · 12-05-2017 07:55PM

I got one last year. I get children's allowance and I also work. I got 2 letters with appointments that were during working hours. The letters said I could phone to change the appointment but when I rang nobody answered. I missed 2 appointments. When I got my 3rd letter I made the effort to get time off and go. It was a total pain but since I am in receipt of benefits in the form of children's allowance I figured it'd come back to bite me if I didn't.

What bugs me is that the office is only open during business hours. The NDLS open on Saturdays for driving licences so I don't see why these offices can't open, or at least recruit people who are willing to work on Saturdays.

Marcusm · 12-05-2017 10:04PM

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

I used to actually work in DSP and do these cards. They're trying to roll them out for everyone, not just for people in receipt of DSP payments. The idea is that, eventually, you'll be able to use it for all public services down the road.

I have one, it never comes out of my wallet :pac:

I hope you weren't the idiot who enrolled me for mine, Dr. He spent the "interview" explaining that he had recently completed a PhD, was a part time journalist and that his father had produced the Eurovision for RTÉ in the 90s. Despite collecting proof of address, he managed to issue the card to an address I'd lived in for six months 26 years earlier. Obviously, there's still someone floating around with a Public Services Card in my name with a sample signature. Excellent data protection!

uck51js9zml2yt · 12-05-2017 11:03PM

You can go into any office. They work by appointment but do have spare slots.

As someone said, there is a fraud element to their introduction.
A lot of people have dropped their claim upon being told they needed a card. No prosecutions were made as there was no proof, and people stop clakmg for numerous reasons.
There have been some cases where people have been caught and jailed. One guy had 12 claims in different parts of the country and stole 500,000.
Interestingly, all the fraudsters were Irish.

There are also a rake of children's allowance claims that were caught. People outside the country getting paid into the bank. They need a card and whem they don't respond to the invitation or the letter all Childrens allowance claimants must complete, their payments were stopped.

It also means you won't be able to renew your passport without a card...again it stops fraud.
There was nothing stopping someone getting the birth cert of a dead person and claiming to be them. That has now stopped.

Beyondgone · 13-05-2017 12:06AM

The only interaction with the state I have is when they send me a tax bill or a fine for "motoring offenses". Much like about 70% of other people I reckon. If you're in the other 30% then you're in another world. One I don't want to be in.

SPDUB · 13-05-2017 01:52AM

Egypt Damaged Spit wrote: »

It also means you won't be able to renew your passport without a card...again it stops fraud.

Unless you are telling us future plans it currently only applies to getting a passport for the first time same as they are doing for the driving licence

Junkyard Tom · 13-05-2017 02:20AM

Permabear wrote: »

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Don't you live in the US? Yet here you are bitching about Eircode... That's kinda odd.. like you've some sort of agenda.. or hate the nation that you come from.

Anyway, axe-grinding randroids aside, I was recently asked for my P.O. Code when ordering stuff from England - imagine that!

US Europeans are putting a GPS system (your tax Euros at work) called Galileo in orbit currently and I'd guess that having an Eircode will help emergency services locate individual homes very quickly.

This evil socialist project might also help getting a virtuous capitalist pizza delivered promptly too.

Ray Palmer · 13-05-2017 09:02AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

The idea I believe is to help with welfare fraud, with you pic on the database. To stop those with several PPS numbers

Although I have my suspicions somehow it won't work

It works very well and caught a lot of people with the facial recognition software. As it was being rolled out claims dropped in certain areas and the increased in the areas it hadn't been applied to. As it rolled out certain claims stopped highlighting people. A similar thing happened with the volcanic eruptions. The claims that weren't collected at the time were investigated and lots were caught out.

Worked on the project and it is the latest tech way beyond most countries use. It has a huge host of extra features not used yet and effectively a mini computer not just storage device. Could be used to hold your entire medical history and have apps although unlikely they will use some features due to public sentiment.

uck51js9zml2yt · 13-05-2017 08:45PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It works very well and caught a lot of people with the facial recognition software. As it was being rolled out claims dropped in certain areas and the increased in the areas it hadn't been applied to. As it rolled out certain claims stopped highlighting people. A similar thing happened with the volcanic eruptions. The claims that weren't collected at the time were investigated and lots were caught out.

Worked on the project and it is the latest tech way beyond most countries use. It has a huge host of extra features not used yet and effectively a mini computer not just storage device. Could be used to hold your entire medical history and have apps although unlikely they will use some features due to public sentiment.

I would think it's only a matter of time before it's gets used for other things.
Sounded like a great project which had unplanned consequences for fraudsters.
The big problem they had was identical twins!

misstearheus · 13-05-2017 10:06PM

Yes.

SPDUB · 13-05-2017 11:49PM

Why are they making you get one if you are now applying for a passport or a learner driving licence .

It can't be to spot duplicates as they already have a picture .

It's that kind of creeping reach that makes me wary of them.

What next ? You'll need one to buy a TV licence or dog licence .

I just wouldn't be buying those licence and I agree with both of them .

listermint · 13-05-2017 11:58PM

Had the old old one since I was a young lad. Got post 2 weeks ago for this new public services one . No need for it as don't interact with them but sure may need it sometime. Arrived to the office at allocated time not a soul in the place I was in and out I'm I think about 7 minutes .

Easy.

In fairness never had such a quick experience with the public service.

Permabear · 14-05-2017 01:17AM

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Junkyard Tom · 14-05-2017 01:27AM

Permabear wrote: »

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But you didn't criticise the cost you wrote-off the entire project and claimed it was a waste of 'your tax Euros'.

Permabear wrote: »

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Quit with the sophistry, you have form on this.

Permabear · 14-05-2017 01:34AM

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Samuel T. Cogley · 14-05-2017 01:38AM

ID card by the back door and no one seems to bat an eyelid.

Junkyard Tom · 14-05-2017 01:57AM

Permabear wrote: »

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That's an opinion piece and a bloody awful one too. It has no value.

Many people would put Eircode in the same category as voting machines and water meters -- a gratuitous waste of public funds on a poorly thought out and badly implemented endeavor.

Who defends voting machines? Who was against water metering? The public were against water charges and the cost of privatising (setting up a private bureaucracy) the water infrastructure which was informed by typical neoliberal orthodoxy.

Such people are entitled to have an opinion without being accused of "hating their country."

I wrote nation not country.

uck51js9zml2yt · 14-05-2017 11:32PM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

ID card by the back door and no one seems to bat an eyelid.

We don't have a national ID card!

Would it be such a bad thing if we had?

The J Stands for Jay · 15-05-2017 07:06AM

Egypt Damaged Spit wrote: »

We don't have a national ID card!

Would it be such a bad thing if we had?

Papers please.

infogiver · 15-05-2017 07:40AM

Parchment wrote: »

I dont have children.

See - i dont see why i need it. Seems like a pointless exercise for me.

You now need it when you want to replace your drivers licence.
Adults applying for a first time Passport need one.

infogiver · 15-05-2017 07:43AM

SPDUB wrote: »

Why are they making you get one if you are now applying for a passport or a learner driving licence .

It can't be to spot duplicates as they already have a picture .

It's that kind of creeping reach that makes me wary of them.

What next ? You'll need one to buy a TV licence or dog licence .

I just wouldn't be buying those licence and I agree with both of them .

It's going to replace all the other cards including medical card EHIC card Drug Payment scheme card etc.
Very soon you won't be able to open a bank account unless you have one.
It confirms you are who you say you are.

Have you got a Public Services Card?

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