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Garda investigated after CCTV showing arrest of naked, distressed woman goes viral.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    ED E wrote: »
    Just to add to the dismay, the woman heading up the new "Garda Review Body" was the one that appointed O'Sullivan. Like COME ON.

    Why is this a surprise? Seriously, do people not grasp the endemic corruption that exists in everyday political life and to an extension Irish society. Its rampant from housing to public services. Absolutely rampant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    If someones first reaction to seeing a naked woman on the street is that she's come from a sex party then I'm definitely moving in the wrong circles. Jesus wept the lengths people go to defend the indefensible.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Joshua J wrote: »
    If someones first reaction to seeing a naked woman on the street is that she's come from a sex party then I'm definitely moving in the wrong circles...

    She could be a rape victim, she could be on drink, on drugs, she could have psychiatric issues.

    Either way the Gardaí, not the HSE, need to move in immediately and take her away from the area, if only to reduce the risk to herself, and then assess whether it's someone who needs to sober up in a cell or needs medical assistance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭boombang


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Why is this a surprise? Seriously, do people not grasp the endemic corruption that exists in everyday political life and to an extension Irish society. Its rampant from housing to public services. Absolutely rampant.

    I'm certainly not disputing this point, but what's the problem of corruption in housing in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    She could have shot them all with an AK47 too... but the point is she had neither at her disposal.

    People who's only crime is that they are not wearing any clothes should be spoken with first, especially when it's quite clear they are not in any immediate danger to others.

    What street has AK47s laying about?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    She could be a rape victim, she could be on drink, on drugs, she could have psychiatric issues.

    Either way the Gardaí, not the HSE, need to move in immediately and take her away from the area, if only to reduce the risk to herself, and then assess whether it's someone who needs to sober up in a cell or needs medical assistance.

    ffs idiots here !!!


    second time i ve posted this in this thread

    was she not arrested under the mental health act and given help/treatment by the relevant professionals ?

    or do you think the gardai just took a video on the street and let her on ? ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    ffs idiots here !!!


    second time i ve posted this in this thread

    was she not arrested under the mental health act and given help/treatment by the relevant professionals ?

    or do you think the gardai just took a video on the street and let her on ? ?

    You'd do better to read the thread rather than pop in every so often for a rant.

    Your post has nothing to do with the one your answering.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    So where do you think he/she recorded it,mcdonalds?? :confused:




    (Nice you ignored where it's said in no circumstances is it OK what happened....)

    Are you purposely trying to completely miss the point. He recorded it from a CCTV feed at the station. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Are you purposely trying to completely miss the point. He recorded it from a CCTV feed at the station. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

    biscuithead - dial back that tone please. Civil discussion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    If somebody is not of their mind they are a danger to themselves and more importantly innocent bystanders. They need to be immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later.

    Waiting for the white coats to arrive to humour a crazy person that could be carrying a weapon isn't going to help anybody. And medical staff are not equipped or have the mandate to deal with violent mental cases.

    So you favour the US cop style response of slamming a mentally ill person to the concrete and cuffing them because "they might have a weapon"?

    I prefer the Swedish approach:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/swedish-cops-on-vacation-schooled-the-nypd?utm_term=.anWpNlLj7#.wvrPO1xak


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    pilly wrote: »
    You'd do better to read the thread rather than pop in every so often for a rant.

    Your post has nothing to do with the one your answering.

    na i read the thread

    i disagree with you


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    na i read the thread

    i disagree with you

    The post you were replying to wasn't mine so what exactly do you disagree with me on?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    pilly wrote: »
    The post you were replying to wasn't mine so what exactly do you disagree with me on?

    well you posted in reply to me replying to someone else , so your statement is a bit odd imo


    i disagree with your statement that i didn't read the thread . seeing as i did read it ,


    understand now ? ?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    ffs idiots here !!!


    second time i ve posted this in this thread

    was she not arrested under the mental health act and given help/treatment by the relevant professionals ?

    or do you think the gardai just took a video on the street and let her on ? ?

    You need to take a breath and read my post again.

    I am saying the Gardaí took the correct action insofar as dealing with her...except for the recording. I am saying that they need to remove someone wandering around the street naked...and then assess if that person needs a cell or a doctor. I am disputing the idea that the HSE should be called in immediately, or that the Gardaí acted incorrectly.

    Now, try to keep up, good man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    So you favour the US cop style response of slamming a mentally ill person to the concrete and cuffing them because "they might have a weapon"?


    What??? :pac: :pac: :pac:

    You're just making up conversations in your head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    sugarman wrote: »
    I think this is being blown out of proportion

    First off, the footage was of someone recording from a blurry CCTV monitor on a crappy phone. The CCTV camera was miles away. You can hardly make out whats going on, never mind identify who the person was. I seen it posted on facebook the other week.

    Secondly, the Garda in question sent it to a private whatsapp group. Someone else in that group decided to share it or send it on until it reached facebook. I dont think there was any real intent or malicious here to defame anyone. It was probably a 'Ah you'll never guess what happened in work' type of message sent onto the lads.

    I dont think the guard done a whole lot wrong, I mean the woman was recorded in the middle of the street. It not illegal to record anyone in a public place. It was stupid and imature, but thats really it.
    ...

    Should we start a guessing game as to which station you or your family member are based ?

    The reason I ask is you seem to have the same level of understanding and comprehension as to what professionalism in policing is, as the idiot of a garda that posted the video of a video to their mates on whatsapp.
    Interesting the story doesn't feature at all on RTE.

    Paul Reynolds is back after disappearing for a while there during the hellabahooo over some people trying to paint whistle blowers as paedophiles.

    Better be careful, he can be handy with the old lawsuits. ;)
    Take a step back and blame whoever put in the cctv because that's where the original recording and sharing started.

    It doesn't matter who filmed or recorded something first, the garda who shared it on whatsapp should be fired.
    AGS is in serious need of reform but conflating this incident with that is misguided.

    It's not a organizational anomaly, rather a idiotic individual that should be sanctioned for such a stupid act.

    Bullshye.

    Even if he is an idiot and somehow made it through their stringent :rolleyes: selection and training, he and every other member should be totally aware about guidelines and rules on the sharing of information and videos that they get access to through their job.
    It is basic cop on.

    The force is now a joke.
    It is unprofessional, has engaged in corruption for cronies, has targeted whistle blowers in the most insidious manner possible, has fraudently concocted statistics, has a leadership that it appears can't tell a straight truth.
    Two things puzzle me about this.

    1) How a grown adult can complete basic training in Templemore without knowing how utterly despicable his actions are in this case and still qualify as a member of the Gardai

    2) How the presence of such an individual has escaped the attention of his superiors. I mean if the guy has such a casual attitude towards those he's paid to protect it's disappointing how long he's been getting away with it.

    You don't have to be brightest to get into or out of Templemore.

    The management couldn't give a rat's ass it appears.

    Besides if one of the decent ones complained about this type of guy, they would be ones hounded.
    rawn wrote: »
    As was pointed out a few posts back, the Garda didn't record the actual event, he was reviewing the CCTV footage which he then recorded on his phone.

    It doesn't matter.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmayo wrote: »
    Besides if one of the decent ones complained about this type of guy, they would be ones hounded.
    .

    Really? Why would you think that? Do you think that all Gardai just stick up for each other no matter what? You are very wrong.
    As was the guy who took the video & shared it, & the guy that put it on facebook


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭oneilla


    Very good article, worth a read.

    http://www.headstuff.org/2017/05/for-dara-quigley/
    An Garda Síochana's most recently available Strategy Statement for 2016-2018, readily available online, begins with a summary of its apparent values as an organisation.

    It outlines service, honesty, accountability, respect, professionalism and empathy as its core values.
    ...

    The nature of her arrest was incredibly problematic in itself. She was manhandled with excessive force by several officers, despite posing no threat whatsoever, to anyone ? and it?s clear that no attempt was made to deal with her calmly or respectfully. Professionalism?

    Even that?s a drop in the ocean in comparison with what followed. A Garda monitoring CCTV remotely thought it appropriate to record the arrest ? that is, to record a clearly distressed naked woman being pushed and shoved aggressively by 4 officers ? and circulate it with his buddies in a WhatsApp group. It subsequently travelled to Facebook and was seen over 100,000 times before its removal. Empathy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Besides if one of the decent ones complained about this type of guy, they would be ones hounded.

    Really? Why would you think that? Do you think that all Gardai just stick up for each other no matter what? You are very wrong.
    As was the guy who took the video & shared it, & the guy that put it on facebook

    Hmmmm let me see.
    Perhaps we should have a poll on this and see how many people believe that Garda whistle blowers are targeted both by their colleagues and even worse by management, even right up to commissioner level.

    Perhaps you would like me to use some of the ex commissioner's quotes to back me up ?
    Perhaps you would like me to remind you of the brief that was/wasn't given to the commissioners own legal team as to how to handle the whistle blower ?

    Perhaps we should also ask people if they think it is a coincidence that very serious allegations, investigations and files are opened about garda whistle blowers by other state agencies after the whistle blowers have gone public.

    Maybe you can tell us where gardai draw the line when it come "sticking up" for each other ?

    Tell you what lets ask the posters if they agree more with me than you ?

    Actually may be it is time for a poll on boards as to whether we trust the AGS anymore?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Do you think that all Gardai just stick up for each other no matter what?

    That's more or less what Judge Smithwick found.
    Judge Peter Smithwick has unleashed a blistering attack on the Garda - accusing it of prizing loyalty over honesty.
    The tribunal chairman said he was depressed and disheartened that a culture still exists in the force where its reputation takes priority over everything else.


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmayo wrote: »
    Hmmmm let me see.
    Perhaps we should have a poll on this and see how many people believe that Garda whistle blowers are targeted both by their colleagues and even worse by management, even right up to commissioner level.

    Perhaps you would like me to use some of the ex commissioner's quotes to back me up ?
    Perhaps you would like me to remind you of the brief that was/wasn't given to the commissioners own legal team as to how to handle the whistle blower ?

    Perhaps we should also ask people if they think it is a coincidence that very serious allegations, investigations and files are opened about garda whistle blowers by other state agencies after the whistle blowers have gone public.

    Maybe you can tell us where gardai draw the line when it come "sticking up" for each other ?

    Tell you what lets ask the posters if they agree more with me than you ?

    Actually may be it is time for a poll on boards as to whether we trust the AGS anymore?

    I don't care how many people believe whistle-blowers were targeted by colleagues. People love to believe the worst in Gardai.
    I don't know of anyone that targeted whistle-blowers, and if management did, if they did, it's nothing to do with ordinary Gardai.
    There are guards doing wrong & breaking the law, they are arrested often & go before the courts.
    I don't believe any member thinks it's OK to do what this guy did.
    How do you think it was brought to the attention of management?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    What street has AK47s laying about?

    Is you're argument, seriously, that a naked woman needs to be "immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later" cause she might grab a broken bottle?? :P

    The nonsense that people will conjure up to avoid having to accept that the Gardai acted incorrectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Is you're argument, seriously, that a naked woman needs to be "immobilised, tied down and then ask questions later" cause she might grab a broken bottle?? :P

    The nonsense that people will conjure up to avoid having to accept that the Gardai acted incorrectly.


    We were talking about the protocol not the incident. But yes, deranged people are a danger to everybody and should be treated as a severe threat to everybody. I don't care if it is a naked woman or a hobo with a beard, they are all dangers.

    The second part of your post is another case of a person having a conversation with a voice in your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I don't believe any member thinks it's OK to do what this guy did.

    How many members reported it?


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    How many members reported it?

    I don't know? Do you?
    I don't know how many were in the whats app group, do you?
    Obviously someone did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I don't know? Do you?
    yes.
    Obviously someone did.
    Not a garda. It was reported when it went wide on the net.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Well, the person I know very well was reported by a neighbour and was going through a dysphoric elation. He was fully clothed BTW. No danger to others at all.

    Up to recently, in cases such as these the ambulance and Gardai arrived at the scene and if the distressed person complied with the ambulance staff then the Gardai subsequently went on their way. They only intervened if the person being taken away was being violent or abusive.

    Now, just the Gardai arrive and arrest the distressed person. Utterly inhumane. A cynical cost-cutting measure on the part of the Government but as there are so few lobbyists for mental health nothing is being done.

    My good friend had bruising to his wrists from the placing of handcuffs on him.

    Disgraceful.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    We were talking about the protocol not the incident. But yes, deranged people are a danger to everybody and should be treated as a severe threat to everybody. I don't care if it is a naked woman or a hobo with a beard, they are all dangers.

    The second part of your post is another case of a person having a conversation with a voice in your head.


    "Deranged" people? That says it all. The vast majority of people with psychiatric difficulties are not a danger to others.

    A little understanding and empathy would go a long way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭rawn


    Dara's brother gives a moving eulogy

    http://www.thejournal.ie/dara-quigley-vigil-3387145-May2017/

    Let's try to remember she had a loving family, while discussing this issue.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Up to recently, in cases such as these the ambulance and Gardai arrived at the scene...

    If I took off my clothes and wandered around a city centre, I doubt there is any time in history where the Gardai would have simply watched and waited for an ambulance, and pondered was I drunk, high, dangerous to myself, dangerous to others, suffering from a psychiatric condition etc. And, I wouldn't expect police to stand back in other countries either.


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