Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

magicbastarder · 11-05-2017 05:18PM

how much info are the gardai allowed give you about the other driver if you file a complaint? i suspect little to none?

regarding the quandary about 'do i press charges or just get the gardai to lecture them?' question, i reckon i'd be much more inclined to go down the charges route if i knew the driver had form.

Chiparus · 11-05-2017 05:24PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

how much info are the gardai allowed give you about the other driver if you file a complaint? i suspect little to none?

regarding the quandary about 'do i press charges or just get the gardai to lecture them?' question, i reckon i'd be much more inclined to go down the charges route if i knew the driver had form.

I would ask for the drivers insurance details- if you decide to take a PIAB action it will blow their NCB.

LpPepper · 11-05-2017 06:41PM

Had this absolute genius try to come in on top of me to presumably undertake the car turning right ahead. After I told him to move over he proceeded to beep and angrily point towards the kerb. I wouldn't mind I was doing around 35km/h...

https://youtu.be/-pj-munt4r0

Rogue-Trooper · 11-05-2017 07:23PM

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

Blue Fiesta actually 'nudged' me out of the way at speed this morning on North Strand (just at the top of the hill over the canal). Frightened the sh1te out of me. Was almost in the middle of the bus lane so had room to swerve left. I wouldn't mind but there was a bus in front of us so 5 seconds later he was stuck behind it when it pulled in.

Nice footage from both front and rear facing cameras which includes him driving the length of the bus lane on North Strand at 07.30. This is deffo one for Traffic Watch.

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

Gardai dropped in to me last night and, having reviewed the footage, are looking for a prosecution in this case. They are opening a file on it and will be back to me shortly to get a statement. Will update again with progress.

The Garda looking after it is actually on the Garda bikes a bit so was very understanding.

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

Update.

Ok, so I have to decide by this afternoon what I want to do in this case. I have 2 options and it's up to me how we proceed. I can opt for a stern word from the Gardai with, I'm sure, an apology from the driver or push for a prosecution. This will mean it will go to court.

The Garda mentioned a potential charge of 'careless driving' but that suggests to me that someone just wasn't paying attention to what they are doing - this guy made a very concious decision to endanger me. Is there a charge of 'dangerous driving' or does 'careless' cover all? This is all compounded by the fact that this guy apparently drives a van for a living and thought this reckless behaviour was ok.

Anyway, the zen part of me wants to accept an apology and let it go but I think I should make a stand here. There are so many stories in this thread with similar incidents that go either un-reported or un-punished. I feel I almost have a duty of care to pursue it.

By the way, I deliberately have not posted the footage so as not to jeopardise the case.

Decision

The Garda just called me there and I have confirmed that I would like to go all the way with this. Gave it lots of thought and it really is the right thing to do.

Rogue-Trooper · 11-05-2017 07:24PM

Chiparus wrote: »

I would ask for the drivers insurance details- if you decide to take a PIAB action it will blow their NCB.

In my case this was a (very) near miss so there is no question of compensation

AndrewJRenko · 11-05-2017 08:40PM

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

If the Garda took on a campaign like West Midlands Police, Edinburgh Police and now PSNI too this is exactly the sort of issue they could pull motorists aside and drum into them. These police campaigns start with education and then if that doesn't work penalties follow.

LpPepper wrote: »

Had this absolute genius try to come in on top of me to presumably undertake the car turning right ahead. After I told him to move over he proceeded to beep and angrily point towards the kerb. I wouldn't mind I was doing around 35km/h...

https://youtu.be/-pj-munt4r0

Farking hell - Is that Firhouse? I think there is cycle track along some, but not all sections of that road, so that probably enables the kerb-pointing for him. What desperate driving that was.

LpPepper · 11-05-2017 08:42PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Farking hell - Is that Firhouse? I think there is cycle track along some, but not all sections of that road, so that probably enables the kerb-pointing for him. What desperate driving that was.

It's Firhouse heading towards Scholarstown/M50. And no, on that particular road there is no "cycle track" whatsoever. You see one at the start of the video on the left which has just come from Firhouse Road but it ends abruptly just there.

John_Rambo · 11-05-2017 09:03PM

LpPepper wrote: »

It's Firhouse heading towards Scholarstown/M50. And no, on that particular road there is no "cycle track" whatsoever. You see one at the start of the video on the left which has just come from Firhouse Road but it ends abruptly just there.

There's nothing. Nothing that can justify that move.

LpPepper · 11-05-2017 09:04PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

There's nothing. Nothing that can justify that move.

You're right, he just saw me as some sort of annoyance I guess! I wouldn't mind but was less than 1km from home, and it was my first outing with my Stayin Alive at 1.5 Jersey!

Pinch Flat · 11-05-2017 09:17PM

Must.get.past.

Just like the twit who overtook me heading towards the castleknock hotel coming out of the Phoenix park this evening - narrow rural road, over a white line, into oncoming traffic, which he swerved left (and almost hit me, causing me to brake sharply) to avoid. Wider road a few hundred meters ahead, but hey he's in a rush.

Some day my luck will run out

.

LpPepper · 11-05-2017 09:19PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Must.get.past.

Just like the twit who overtook me heading towards the castleknock hotel coming out of the Phoenix park this evening - narrow rural road, over a white line, into oncoming traffic, which he swerved left (and almost hit me, causing me to brake sharply) to avoid. Wider road a few hundred meters ahead, but hey he's in a rush.

Some day my luck will run out .

I'm thinking of inventing some sort of device that will fire little sharp rocks at cars that pass at less than one metre...who's my first investor??

11-05-2017 09:20PM

LpPepper wrote: »

Another near miss today on the N81 just before Jobstown. Driver overtook me on a bend with an ambulance (flashing lights and all) coming the other way. Bloody nearly took me out:

What type of camera set up do you have there?

LpPepper · 11-05-2017 09:23PM

barrier86 wrote: »

What type of camera set up do you have there?

Go Pro Hero HD 2014 with a cheapy aluminium K-Edge copy from Amazon.

Edit: It's actually for sale if anyone's interested! Pm me if interested

5uspect · 11-05-2017 09:39PM

LpPepper wrote: »

I'm thinking of inventing some sort of device that will fire little sharp rocks at cars that pass at less than one metre...who's my first investor??

Better yet, a water pistol loaded with brake fluid.
Should wreck their paint work.

Danjamin1 · 11-05-2017 09:42PM

5uspect wrote: »

Better yet, a water pistol loaded with brake fluid.
Should wreck their paint work.

I tend to just fantasise about cycling along with a hammer in my right hand

Chiparus · 11-05-2017 09:55PM

Rogue-Trooper wrote: »

In my case this was a (very) near miss so there is no question of compensation

Pm sent

StevieGriff · 11-05-2017 10:28PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Perceptions are funny, there was a poster on here yesterday claiming that you would be fine. It really shocks me that anyone thinks that this was an OK situation to be in or put in. Hope your not too shock.

Nah I'm all good. Just worry about others really, someone moving slower or less experienced would have gone down for sure in a situation like that.

Parchment · 11-05-2017 10:46PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I tend to just fantasise about cycling along with a hammer in my right hand

this made me snort -laugh.

I used to drive a motorbike and wore steel toed (steel on the outside) motocross boots. Very handy.

sy_flembeck · 11-05-2017 10:52PM

LpPepper wrote: »

and it was my first outing with my Stayin Alive at 1.5 Jersey!

Don't give up. Whenever I wear my Stayin Alive gilet the difference it makes is absolutely extraordinary-which is ironically irritating as it means when people know they're being recorded they drive properly. I've never, ever had a close call while wearing it.

The difference between the jersey and the gilet is that the back of the gilet tells others I'm recording my journey while the jersey doesn't (IIRC)

Mercian Pro · 11-05-2017 11:28PM

Stopped at the red light on the canal bridge near The Barge this morning heading south for Ranelagh. Traffic was backed up heading along the canal towards Leeson Street and one genius was stopped in the junction. Despite the lights still being red, a cyclist decided to cross in front of the stopped car. Unfortunately for her, the traffic started moving including the car she was crossing. Luckily the "genius" spotted her at the very last second and slammed on his brakes, narrowly avoiding her.
I caught up with her up the road a bit and went to tell her what an idiot she was but I don't think my words made it through her headphones.

RacoonQueen · 12-05-2017 08:39AM

Approaching Lambs Cross from Stepaside last night, was coming towards the Slate Cabin Lane turn at the primary school where the road narrows...traffic had built up a bit so I was slowing. Knowing the road I prepare to slow well before it narrows. The traffic started to move and I was getting ready to get going again when just as I get to a car, they decide to turn left and indicate at the same time to head up slate cabin lane. Had to take the turn with them to avoid going over the bonnet.
Having only got back on the bike recently, I'd totally forgotten how many near misses you can get on a one hour cycle. Some of the driving is totally awful.
Thing is, if they'd been indicating before they'd attempted to make the turn, I'd have held back and let them take the turn as I wouldn't have been able to go far past them anyway with the red light and traffic. Do people thing we can just stop instantly or that we should/would stop instantly the second they turn their indicator on/start to turn? One of the girls in our tri club was knocked off a few weeks ago, two cars overtook her, the second one decided to turn left straight after as she was going straight and obviously off she comes as she couldn't stop.
He gets out and says ''I had my indicator on" WTF???

magicbastarder · 12-05-2017 08:56AM

LpPepper wrote: »

my Stayin Alive at 1.5 Jersey!

Where did you get this? What does it look like?

LpPepper · 12-05-2017 09:12AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

Where did you get this? What does it look like?

From here http://www.safecyclingireland.org/store/

Chuchote · 12-05-2017 09:20AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Some of the driving is totally awful.
Thing is, if they'd been indicating before they'd attempted to make the turn, I'd have held back and let them take the turn

(snip)

He gets out and says ''I had my indicator on" WTF???

A TV campaign on how to indicate, and a load of billboards saying

Indicate in time!
(We're not telepathic!)

would do a world of good.

Followed by a repeat of the famous French one that cut road deaths, with billboards that said

WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU GET THERE?

(with road death numbers listed below, I think)

magicbastarder · 12-05-2017 09:28AM

LpPepper wrote: »

From here http://www.safecyclingireland.org/store/

cheers, i was hoping it'd have a much easier to read design on the back, that motorists could get the gist of from further away. to be fair, it's a nice enough jersey otherwise.

Chuchote · 12-05-2017 09:36AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

cheers, i was hoping it'd have a much easier to read design on the back, that motorists could get the gist of from further away. to be fair, it's a nice enough jersey otherwise.

Probably the best safety message on a T-shirt is a giant pair of eyes - humans are coded to notice staring eyes.

If this was on the back, not the front, and if the eyes were staring towards drivers, it would be ideal.

despicable_me_minions_with_big_eyes_logo_t_shirt_tee-2.jpg

Kaisr Sose · 12-05-2017 07:41PM

I had a near miss early last year with aggressive afters which I reported at the time. Today I got a call to say the driver is up in court for dangerous driving. I will update when it's been through court in a few weeks...

For those that say it's not worth reporting , nothing will happen if you don't and next time it may not be a near miss....let every motorist have to account for their behaviour. The bad ones will at some time have the law to answer to

Parchment · 12-05-2017 07:50PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I had a near miss early last year with aggressive afters which I reported at the time. Today I got a call to say the driver is up in court for dangerous driving. I will update when it's been through court in a few weeks...

For those that say it's not worth reporting , nothing will happen if you don't and next time it may not be a near miss....let every motorist have to account for their behaviour. The bad ones will at some time have the law to answer to

I just wonder - if i ring Traffic Watch everytime something happens, they will get used to hearing complaints from me and they will lose their "weight" if that makes sense.

ED E · 12-05-2017 07:52PM

Parchment wrote: »

I just wonder - if i ring Traffic Watch everytime something happens, they will get used to hearing complaints from me and they will lose their "weight" if that makes sense.

Its a Civ that answers, either they log it or they dont. It would be a serious breach if they didnt log it.

The local Super could get tired of seeing your contact info on the reports they send.

Parchment · 12-05-2017 08:03PM

ED E wrote: »

Its a Civ that answers, either they log it or they dont. It would be a serious breach if they didnt log it.

The local Super could get tired of seeing your contact info on the reports they send.

I know its a civilian who logs it but im saying if you make a complaint/call every time something happens they will take you less seriously.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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