Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

PaulieC

helimachoptor wrote: »

The two junctions on the N11, firstly on the way up to stillorgan SC and then Oatlands are death traps.

Those junctions are fine. That some road users choose not to obey the signals doesn't make them bad junctions.

Danjamin1

PaulieC wrote: »

Those junctions are fine. That some road users choose not to obey the signals doesn't make them bad junctions.

Ah the one at Oatlands I'd disagree with, it could do with a right filter. I've often seen cars in the junction waiting to turn right when the carriageway gets the green light. Then again the congestion there is a worse issue than the light sequence.

AndrewJRenko

Chuchote wrote: »

It would be a big advantage if the body in charge of traffic lights (Transport for Ireland?) had an app like See it! Say it! where you could report dangerous junctions, traffic lights out of order and junctions that need filters or changes in sequence.

These are generally local authority responsibilities, so you can use FixMyStreet.ie for reporting stuff. How seriously they will take reports is another question.

CramCycle

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Where you are along side a vehicle that has given no early indication of turning left, the assumption must be that it is also proceeding straight on. The whole concept of early indication is to clearly signal intent on advance of the junction, and thus avoid any confusion by other road users. Self - preservation, while apt to deploy, should not come into it if the motorist indicated intent in sufficient time.

Interestingly, I have found that after a few years, you can almost see it coming. I know when the majority of cars are going to turn without indication, or swerve or do some other stupid sh1t. Not always, but alot of the time. Doesn't shift the onus in anyway, just a comment on the subtle sensory cues people develop towards certain behaviours over time.

amcalester

CramCycle wrote: »

Interestingly, I have found that after a few years, you can almost see it coming. I know when the majority of cars are going to turn without indication, or swerve or do some other stupid sh1t. Not always, but alot of the time. Doesn't shift the onus in anyway, just a comment on the subtle sensory cues people develop towards certain behaviours over time.

I'd agree with this, happens quite a lot that when approaching a junction or left filter that I slow down behind a car that isn't indicating because I think that they're going to turn left, and they do.

Danbo!

CramCycle wrote: »

Interestingly, I have found that after a few years, you can almost see it coming. I know when the majority of cars are going to turn without indication, or swerve or do some other stupid sh1t. Not always, but alot of the time. Doesn't shift the onus in anyway, just a comment on the subtle sensory cues people develop towards certain behaviours over time.

Same here, hard to put into words or explain exactly how. Find the same with mobile phone use as I approach a car, be it a very slight drift, not quite following the lane or slow to move off, about 90% you guess right and they're buried in their phone.

I love Sean nos

I've just been reading this and I've a question: in Ireland, if someone loses control of a vehicle and crashes, but no one is injured and only property, if anything is damaged, how is that recorded?

RobertFoster

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

These are generally local authority responsibilities, so you can use FixMyStreet.ie for reporting stuff. How seriously they will take reports is another question.

Is there a difference between FixMyStreet and FixYourStreet? I just checked and DLR, Fingal, and SDCC all link to FixYourStreet.

Chuchote

RobertFoster wrote: »

Is there a difference between FixMyStreet and FixYourStreet? I just checked and DLR, Fingal, and SDCC all link to FixYourStreet.

Probably I and maybe others are miscalling it. I tend to use the See it! Say it! app for rubbish, and Dublin City Council's own site for potholes, etc

http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic-road-maintenance-and-street-repair/repair-road-or-footpath

clod71

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Weepsie wrote: »

I mean taking the full lane. In urban traffic I'm not going to be at the kerb if I can help it as much as possible. It invites close overtakes for some and is rutted, potholed, and covered in standing water at the moment.I take ownership of the lane as I can generally keep pace with it, though am often faster. Part of my route have decent enough cycle lane so I'll use it then. Drumcondra road has a brutal cycle lane, but more often than not I'll use it as it's the stretch where I think people will get impatient or take a stupid chance.

That's interesting.  Something I've thought about, and should probably do more of.

Best example of this is bus lanes.  Taxis will over take unless you dominate the lane.

Funny enough, I would identify the bike lane on Drumcondra road as quite a high risk place, simply as pedestrians are so likely to walk onto the lane.  And also, cyclists often undertake on this lane.

I think the point you're making is key to safely cycle on the road. You need to dominate/own the lane and more generally the road and constantly communicate with the cars behind.
Squeeze up on the left doesn't help with anything here, neither the cyclists reputation nor their safety.

Mercian Pro

RobertFoster wrote: »

Is there a difference between FixMyStreet and FixYourStreet? I just checked and DLR, Fingal, and SDCC all link to FixYourStreet.

FixYourStreet was set up by SDCC and they now run it on behalf of Coucils around the country.
FixMyStreet is privately run by MyGov who also do the KildareStreet.com site.

I have reported potholes to both of them and DCC before but can never remember which is more effective. One of them used to send reminders asking if the problem had been solved but none post notices that the Council have actually done anything.

AndrewJRenko

Mercian Pro wrote: »

FixYourStreet was set up by SDCC and they now run it on behalf of Coucils around the country.
FixMyStreet is privately run by MyGov who also do the KildareStreet.com site.

I have reported potholes to both of them and DCC before but can never remember which is more effective. One of them used to send reminders asking if the problem had been solved but none post notices that the Council have actually done anything.

It's up to the Council to provide updates on each individual issue. Most don't bother, but sometimes I get very detailed updates from DCC.

LpPepper

Had a close one this morning on Harold's Cross Bridge Northbound:

Approaching the bridge and lights go amber but car behind has a different idea - I looked around at them 2-3 times to deter them from blasting through but they went around me and did anyway, only to look like a complete prat and then sit in the junction and start reversing back towards the pedestrian crossing. Total Muppet....


Then on way home a close pass by someone drifting towards the cycle lane - not the worst but way too close for comfort:

Danbo!

LpPepper wrote: »

Had a close one this morning on Harold's Cross Bridge Northbound

One of the closest encounters I've ever had was here about 2 years ago in a similar situation. It was quiet enough traffic-wise and the light went red as I approached. I was in the kerbside cycle track, and as I reached the (very) red light, I went to move right into the advanced stop box. I stupidly didnt do a shoulder check because the light was red, but a white van decided to blow through the lights, missing me by inches. He had sped up and would have hit me at a ridiculous speed, he wouldn't have anticipated me moving out. He was so late that cars in both directions on the canal had entered the junction and luckily stopped in time. My heartrate stayed up for about 3hrs afterwards.

LpPepper wrote: »

Then on way home a close pass by someone drifting towards the cycle lane - not the worst but way too close for comfort:

Is that a gopro? I've found with wider angle lenses if I re-watch a close pass back later it always seems not as bad as when it happened, due to the angle.

LpPepper

Danbo! wrote: »

One of the closest encounters I've ever had was here about 2 years ago in a similar situation. It was quiet enough traffic-wise and the light went red as I approached. I was in the kerbside cycle track, and as I reached the (very) red light, I went to move right into the advanced stop box. I stupidly didnt do a shoulder check because the light was red, but a white van decided to blow through the lights, missing me by inches. He had sped up and would have hit me at a ridiculous speed, he wouldn't have anticipated me moving out. He was so late that cars in both directions on the canal had entered the junction and luckily stopped in time. My heartrate stayed up for about 3hrs afterwards.



Is that a gopro? I've found with wider angle lenses if I re-watch a close pass back later it always seems not as bad as when it happened, due to the angle.

Yep had similar happen last year when I was in the left-side cycle lane, car nearly took me out...

Yes it's a GoPro Hero 2014 (base model). Wide angle definitely makes it appear further away then what it was...

Chuchote

At the Sally Bridge around three today. Someone on a bike had come up ahead of the traffic and was sitting in the middle of the road, looking as if positioned to turn right. A car came swerving around, and the driver actually drove at the cyclist before swerving out of the way and around the corner with a drama-queeny howl of the horn. Lights changed and the cyclist went straight ahead; wasn't clear if this was the original intention or if it was the scare.

HivemindXX

LpPepper wrote: »

Yes it's a GoPro Hero 2014 (base model). Wide angle definitely makes it appear further away then what it was...

It is always a good idea to look at the road markings when watching a video like this since it can make it easier to judge the distances involved. You can see that the car only clears the cycle lane by a few inches (less than a tyre width) and gives FAR more space to the stationary cars on the other side of the road.

This is a fairly common sort of driving in my experience. This driver wants to stay in the middle of 'their' lane and they consider this to be from the kerb to the centre line ignoring the cycle lane completely. If they encounter a cyclist they will move out the bare minimum to skim past. I've been passed by drivers that maintain their position in the centre of our side of the road even though this means passing me with literally centimetres of space when there was well over a metre between them and the cars on the far side.

Chuchote

HivemindXX wrote: »

It is always a good idea to look at the road markings when watching a video like this since it can make it easier to judge the distances involved. You can see that the car only clears the cycle lane by a few inches (less than a tyre width) and gives FAR more space to the stationary cars on the other side of the road.

This is a fairly common sort of driving in my experience. This driver wants to stay in the middle of 'their' lane and they consider this to be from the kerb to the centre line ignoring the cycle lane completely. If they encounter a cyclist they will move out the bare minimum to skim past. I've been passed by drivers that maintain their position in the centre of our side of the road even though this means passing me with literally centimetres of space when there was well over a metre between them and the cars on the far side.

One reason that bollard-protected or planter-protected cycle lanes are such a good idea.

jameshayes

LpPepper wrote: »

Then on way home a close pass by someone drifting towards the cycle lane - not the worst but way too close for comfort:

Whoosh.. close!

I love Sean nos

clod71 wrote: »

the cyclists reputation

check_six

On the school run the other day we going through a junction. I was just behind my youngest fella when a lady pedestrian launched herself off the footpath into our trajectory. We weren't there by surprise. We'd followed a stream of cars through the junction, but the lady just decided to leap out as we were passing.

My young lad grabbed both brakes and shuddered to an emergency stop as I was still trying to call "Look out!". The lady blithely continued on her way without even a turn of her head in acknowledgement of our (very close) presence. I suspect she was fiddling with her phone by that stage.

I complemented my son on his fast reactions and said that he should scan the footpaths for potential 'leapers' because they can jump out at any moment, especially when you are least expecting it.
In a sort of resigned fashion he just said: "I know, Dad. I know."
He's seven.

LpPepper

check_six wrote: »

On the school run the other day we going through a junction. I was just behind my youngest fella when a lady pedestrian launched herself off the footpath into our trajectory. We weren't there by surprise. We'd followed a stream of cars through the junction, but the lady just decided to leap out as we were passing.

My young lad grabbed both brakes and shuddered to an emergency stop as I was still trying to call "Look out!". The lady blithely continued on her way without even a turn of her head in acknowledgement of our (very close) presence. I suspect she was fiddling with her phone by that stage.

I complemented my son on his fast reactions and said that he should scan the footpaths for potential 'leapers' because they can jump out at any moment, especially when you are least expecting it.
In a sort of resigned fashion he just said: "I know, Dad. I know."
He's seven.

He has more road awareness than most, fair play!

Corca Baiscinn

HivemindXX wrote: »

This is a fairly common sort of driving in my experience. This driver wants to stay in the middle of 'their' lane and they consider this to be from the kerb to the centre line ignoring the cycle lane completely. If they encounter a cyclist they will move out the bare minimum to skim past. I've been passed by drivers that maintain their position in the centre of our side of the road even though this means passing me with literally centimetres of space when there was well over a metre between them and the cars on the far side.

If the Garda took on a campaign like West Midlands Police, Edinburgh Police and now PSNI too this is exactly the sort of issue they could pull motorists aside and drum into them. These police campaigns start with education and then if that doesn't work penalties follow.

I love Sean nos

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

this is exactly the sort of issue they could pull motorists aside and drum into them.

Yeah, with sticks.

Chuchote

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Yeah, with sticks.

Or with road redesign. If a few planters could solve it - keep the parkers out, make the drivers see them as the edge of the road, even, who knows, make the leapers aware - wouldn't that be better?

Mercian Pro

https://www.facebook.com/bikecomesfirst/videos/1882114922032410/

This is really horrific and hopefully the lunatic driver will end up, not just in court, but in jail.

Two thoughts:
1. Why is it that every time I drive on the M50, commercial van drivers seem to think they have to be in the outside lane doing at least 20kph over the limit.
2. Taking the lane is a concept known to a minority of cyclists and to a far smaller minority of motorists. Even before seeing that video, I wouldn't have had the nerve to take the lane as the guy in the video did knowing that it would almost certainly be wrongly interpreted by drivers.

Kaisr Sose

CramCycle wrote: »

Interestingly, I have found that after a few years, you can almost see it coming. I know when the majority of cars are going to turn without indication, or swerve or do some other stupid sh1t. Not always, but alot of the time. Doesn't shift the onus in anyway, just a comment on the subtle sensory cues people develop towards certain behaviours over time.

Me too...can and have spotted cars that I just felt would turn left without indicating or pull into the kerb (happened yesterday) or a truck that was in the straight ahead lane but I felt was going to go left (yesterday too) and it did, coming into the cycle lane and almost squeezing me into kerb (I was already commited to the turn so backing off wound have been more dangerous) As luck had it the traffic cop vehicle was around the corner and I stopped. Said what just happened and pointed out the vehicle. The said they would have a word. I added I had video of it and they asked for me to drop it into Blackrock. I reviewed it last night and it was all caught on the new fly6. Quite scary to see the truck looming behind, no indicator, coming alongside in straight ahead lane and then dropping into the left lane, no indication and into the cycle lane... Then trying to edit it for just that section of video, I xxxxxx deleted it😖. The main thing is it was just a near miss ...Does anyone know how or if I can retrieve the deleted file fom the memory card?

Danbo!

Mercian Pro wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/bikecomesfirst/videos/1882114922032410/

This is really horrific and hopefully the lunatic driver will end up, not just in court, but in jail.

Two thoughts:
1. Why is it that every time I drive on the M50, commercial van drivers seem to think they have to be in the outside lane doing at least 20kph over the limit.
2. Taking the lane is a concept known to a minority of cyclists and to a far smaller minority of motorists. Even before seeing that video, I wouldn't have had the nerve to take the lane as the guy in the video did knowing that it would almost certainly be wrongly interpreted by drivers.

Was just about to post this. I wouldn't let this phase you from taking the lane at all. For every lunatic like this, you'll meet thousands of normal everyday drivers, well hopefully none of us meet someone that demented. Thing is, if you don't take the lane when you need to, you'll get many more "ignorant" close passes

That can guy clearly signalled his intent to be a raging psycho, in which case you need to find any way to let them pass where possible, which may mean "giving back the lane". I mean I don't think if I was in that situation would I ever have expected such an intentional swipe at all, but from the comfort of my couch with hindsight, I'd rather take the lesser of the two risks. Definitely a lesson to be learned from watching*

Not always possible I know, but I'd rather take the lane, and give it up in a rare situation like this, than leave myself vulnerable for every pass.

*im doing my best to make it sound like I'm not blaming the cyclist or appear like I would have done any better to even manage to stay upright, but I can't get my point across without sounding like I am. Hmm. Long week.

Unknown Soldier

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Then trying to edit it for just that section of video, I xxxxxx deleted it😖. The main thing is it was just a near miss ...Does anyone know how or if I can retrieve the deleted file fom the memory card?

Yes.

There are plenty of tools out there. Just google something like "recover photos from memory card"

Chuchote

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Me too...can and have spotted cars that I just felt would turn left without indicating or pull into the kerb (happened yesterday) or a truck that was in the straight ahead lane but I felt was going to go left (yesterday too) and it did, coming into the cycle lane and almost squeezing me into kerb (I was already commited to the turn so backing off wound have been more dangerous) As luck had it the traffic cop vehicle was around the corner and I stopped. Said what just happened and pointed out the vehicle. The said they would have a word. I added I had video of it and they asked for me to drop it into Blackrock. I reviewed it last night and it was all caught on the new fly6. Quite scary to see the truck looming behind, no indicator, coming alongside in straight ahead lane and then dropping into the left lane, no indication and into the cycle lane... Then trying to edit it for just that section of video, I xxxxxx deleted it😖. The main thing is it was just a near miss ...Does anyone know how or if I can retrieve the deleted file fom the memory card?

No, but - ciall ceannaithe - in future copy the file onto your computer and edit that copy, and burn it to a CD for the Gardaí, and say you have the full file too if it's needed (also keep a copy of the full file).