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Garda investigated after CCTV showing arrest of naked, distressed woman goes viral.

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  • #182
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    So you aren't familiar with analogies then are you? You don't understand examples or case studies?

    I am......failing to see the relevence here though?


  • #183
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    You do know whatsapp is the internet :confused:


    It deosnt run on pixie dust



    Nowhere have I put words into your mouth....such an accusation is odd tbh

    I'm well aware of what comprises the internet. A 128 bit encrypted email through a vpn tunnel is also "over the internet" but it's pretty damn private. Of course if the recipient of that email then unencrypts it and plasters it on a public forum then the sender can hardly be accused of "uploading it to the internet" to use your rather simplistic terms.


    And that is just one example of your aforementioned embellishment and exaggeration.


  • #184
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    Cornelius Crow wrote: »
    It doesn't matter whether she was drunk, high, mentally ill or just out for a stroll. The guard shouldn't have recorded the footage of her, end of discussion. There is no justification, there is no permissible scenario where what this guard did could be considered okay. Even if she didn't end her own life afterwards.

    Ethically it was completely indefensible and as others pointed out, legally it was in breach of data protection.

    First off, you don't get to determine when a discussion is ended. Secondly I'd like to know how it could be deemed a breach of data protection what the guard did. I'm sure the law is quite clear here (or maybe it isn't so clear). Is it illegal to record a cctv feed? I don't know. Do you? Is it illegal to share that recording with a closed group? I don't know. Do you? Is it illegal for a member of that closed group to take the recording and post it on an open public forum? I don't know. Do you?


  • #185
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    biscuithead wrote: »
    I'm well aware of what comprises the internet. A 128 bit encrypted email through a vpn tunnel is also "over the internet" but it's pretty damn private......................


    And none of that matters.

    He filmed a monitor at his place of work on his phone ( or a "company" phone )


  • #186
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    The uploading of the video?


    It's quite clear in the post you've quoted :confused:

    There's no evidence to even suggest all in this whatsapp group were gaurds btw!


    I await more imaginary people on horses from you :rolleyes:

    Just can't help yourself can you. You are given an analogy, one that you don't understand or one that actually pries open the possibility of greyness in your black and white worldview so rather than trying to consider alternative possibilities you just throw out insults and ridicule.


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  • #187
    tomwaterford
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    biscuithead wrote: »
    I'm well aware of what comprises the internet. A 128 bit encrypted email through a vpn tunnel is also "over the internet" but it's pretty damn private. Of course if the recipient of that email then unencrypts it and plasters it on a public forum then the sender can hardly be accused of "uploading it to the internet" to use your rather simplistic terms.


    And that is just one example of your aforementioned embellishment and exaggeration.

    How is that embellishment and exagerration....I get you don't like the facts here

    They are painting an uncomfortable truth for you...which you don't wish to engage...but it stands he/she recorded it at work,put it on the internet to show their friends as is alleged


    Simple yes or no answer,would suffice and please no more horse stories


  • #188
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Just can't help yourself can you. You are given an analogy, one that you don't understand or one that actually pries open the possibility of greyness in your black and white worldview so rather than trying to consider alternative possibilities you just throw out insults and ridicule.

    What has horses got anything to do with the relevence here???


    There's only black/white here....was the gaurds right or wrong in what they done??


  • #189
    Boom_Bap
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    Closing this one for a bit until you all can start realising that there is alot of sh*te being flung at each other in this thread and it's fairly horrible to read.

    There are also a hoard of reported posts to get through so the thread needs a review before it snowballs any further.


  • #190
    Boom_Bap
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    Thread Re-Opened.

    nhunter100 please do not post in this thread again. Dragging up other threads and forums to try 1-Up someone in a conversation is not cool and sets the tone of the thread.


    To everyone else - change the tone of your posting please, less of the attacking of each other and more of a civil discussion please. This is a multi faceted story that is going to have many different viewpoints, so I ask that there is more civility and understanding amongst each other that it's OK to have different opinions.


  • #191
    please helpThank YOU
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    Not a Word of this on RTE News ?


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  • #192
    infogiver
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    please helpThank YOU wrote: »
    Not a Word of this on RTE News ?

    I don't think it would be very nice for the dead girls family if it were on prime time news.


  • #193
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    infogiver wrote: »
    I don't think it would be very nice for the dead girls family if it were on prime time news.

    Mary Lou brought the subject up in the Dail today.


  • #194
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    gctest50 wrote: »
    And none of that matters.

    He filmed a monitor at his place of work on his phone ( or a "company" phone )

    Yes, I know he did. Is that illegal?


  • #195
    please helpThank YOU
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    infogiver wrote: »
    I don't think it would be very nice for the dead girls family if it were on prime time news.
    I know what your saying. But this news story is on a lot of the Irish news paper Irish Sun , Irish Examiner,this weekend Sunday World,. But there is a lot of people who do not read the news papers. So why does RTE News not report sum of the Irish news stories it makes me think are we being hoodwinked and controlled what we see and hear on RTE News? this is my Opinion .


  • #196
    IsaacWunder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Yes, I know he did. Is that illegal?

    Here we go again...


  • #197
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    please helpThank YOU wrote: »
    I know what your saying. But this news story is on a lot of the Irish news paper Irish Sun , Irish Examiner,this weekend Sunday World,. But there is a lot of people who do not read the news papers. So why does RTE News not report sum of the Irish news stories it makes me think are we being hoodwinked and controlled what we see and hear on RTE News? this is my Opinion .

    They couldn't possibly report everything that's in the newspapers every day. Think about the amount of stories in the newspaper. The news would take forever.


  • #198
    pilly
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    IsaacWunder wrote: »
    Here we go again...

    Just don't feed.


  • #199
    please helpThank YOU
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    RustyNut wrote: »
    Mary Lou brought the subject up in the Dail today.
    How would I see this Mary Lou Video?


  • #200
    IsaacWunder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭IsaacWunder


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Good luck getting a social worker!!!

    It was the police themselves who brought in the social workers. If the Gardaí pushed for this I think the funding could be provided.


  • #201
    oneilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭oneilla


    please helpThank YOU wrote: »
    How would I see this Mary Lou Video?

    Short transcript and live video link is on Broadsheet http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/05/11/i-hope-you-shed-light-on-the-accountability-that-will-be-held-for-the-life-of-dara-quigley/

    Mick Barry of the socialists also asked Helen McEntee about dual diagnosis


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  • #202
    biscuithead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 157 ✭✭biscuithead


    IsaacWunder wrote: »
    Here we go again...

    Well?

    People are saying he should be prosecuted and people are saying what he did WAS illegal. What do you think?


  • #203
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,191 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I looked at her Facebook too. It was very disturbing. Tragic case.

    This case also further erodes public confidence in the Guards which is currently at the lowest ebb I have hitherto witnessed.
    Noirin O'Sullivan needs to be fired now and a massive restructuring put in place, to include consideration of what ethics and standards a Guard needs to live up to serve in the force. It's one scandal after another at the moment and O'Sullivan is really hanging on for dear life. It's scandalous. Interesting situation in the context of the Comey firing in the U.S (though maybe there are few parallels).


  • #204
    Northerngal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 65 ✭✭Northerngal


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Well?

    People are saying he should be prosecuted and people are saying what he did WAS illegal. What do you think?

    Can the Gardaí take a picture or video of me?
    There is nothing to stop Gardaí taking photographs or video footage in public or in a Garda station. However, they must not harass you, follow you about in public or interfere with your private or business life unless they have a very good reason. If they do take pictures or video footage, they must obey data protection law.
    Gardaí may use the photographs or video as evidence against you. However, they can only use these images as evidence if they had permission from a judge or senior Garda to take the photographs or video images.

    So yes it was a data protection breach and illegal.


  • #205
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    God, I'm just really letting this sink in and as someone who has suffered mental health difficulties if I thought for one minute that a horrible moment in my life was out there on the internet for all to see and would always be there I think I'd take the same course of action.

    What must she have gone through to think how many thousand of people were viewing that?

    I sincerely hope that this so called Garda never sleeps soundly again.


  • #206
    [Deleted User]
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    IsaacWunder wrote: »
    It was the police themselves who brought in the social workers. If the Gardaí pushed for this I think the funding could be provided.

    No one including Gardai can get social workers outside of normal Monday to Friday working hours & it's been like that for years. If they can't be got for their own jobs, then they won't be got for accompanying Gardai to calls!


  • #207
    goose2005
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    sugarman wrote: »
    We have such a poor attitude towards mental health, as well a suicide. Theres something wrong when we have one of the highest rates of suicide and nobody is doing a thing about it. We cant continue to ignore these issues, theyre not just going to go away.

    The WHO places Ireland 75th of 183 countries by suicide rate


  • #208
    infogiver
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    RustyNut wrote: »
    Mary Lou brought the subject up in the Dail today.

    She would though. Mary Lou spares no one in her political point scoring.


  • #209
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    pilly wrote: »
    God, I'm just really letting this sink in and as someone who has suffered mental health difficulties if I thought for one minute that a horrible moment in my life was out there on the internet for all to see and would always be there I think I'd take the same course of action.

    What must she have gone through to think how many thousand of people were viewing that?

    I sincerely hope that this so called Garda never sleeps soundly again.

    It might leave you feeling that your not safe anywhere.


  • #210
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    biscuithead wrote: »
    Well?

    People are saying he should be prosecuted and people are saying what he did WAS illegal. What do you think?

    Abuse of her privacy is a civil wrong.
    Data protection offences on the other hand are criminal.

    The moment his private phone came into the equation the situation left lawful evidence gathering and he exceeded his entitlement to have the footage. When he passed it on to others he compounded that


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  • #211
    please helpThank YOU
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    No one including Gardai can get social workers outside of normal Monday to Friday working hours & it's been like that for years. If they can't be got for their own jobs, then they won't be got for accompanying Gardai to calls!
    A lot of Social Workers are caught up in Family Law Courts prepare section 20 reports for the Family Law Courts. This can take months to do and a lot of time to prepare . So sum people might get the upper hand in Family Law Courts and Child Custody Dispute . that might explain why you can not get to see a social worker in my Opinion and Experience .


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