Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

PARlance · 09-05-2017 02:56PM

naughto wrote: »

Harrison out for the Sligo game pulled his hamstring

Ger Cafferkey back in Championship action was the other big news from the weekend.

Shurimgreat · 09-05-2017 03:30PM

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

PARlance · 09-05-2017 03:47PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

kilns · 09-05-2017 03:51PM

PARlance wrote: »

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Brian Fenton over the last two years his performances in all games have been consistently of high quality
Cluxton not much can be said

danganabu · 09-05-2017 03:52PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

You're contradicting yourself here, he is either a top player or he is not, can't have it both ways!

ProudDUB · 09-05-2017 04:02PM

PARlance wrote: »

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Well, Lee Keegan for one.

Why am I the one pointing that out?

irishgeo · 09-05-2017 04:05PM

after the success of the long ball by new york against sligo into the full forward. i would be sticking aos in forward and play the exact same way.

PARlance · 09-05-2017 04:08PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Well, Lee Keegan for one.

Why am I the one pointing that out?

It was worth it for that alone...

kilns · 09-05-2017 04:16PM

Keegan is head and shoulders above O'Shea or any other Mayo player for that matter, why dont you see him doing much media work....

ProudDUB · 09-05-2017 04:22PM

Lee Keegan isn't shy about talking to the press. He is just far cuter about where and when he does it and what he says....or more importantly, doesn't say !

PARlance wrote: »

It was worth it for that alone...

Yeah, that's what Dermo thinks too.

Shurimgreat · 09-05-2017 05:04PM

PARlance wrote: »

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

km79 · 09-05-2017 05:42PM

Imo diarmuid connolly has never delivered in a final.......
He didn't even get going in the replay and was being outscored by his marker until an incorrect black call let him into it
In fact he rarely delivers in semis either ......and doesn't always finish them if memory serves me correctly ..........but he doesn't seem to have this thrown at him like o Shea does
Maybe he has better quality players around him .....?

PARlance · 09-05-2017 06:52PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

So, win an AI and you can be included in that bracket. If that's the yardstick then fair enough. He's the Mayo of Mayo so. Good but not good enough. I think it's fairly simplistic approach but it works if you want it to.

If you look at him as a player and drop him into the Dublin team then he makes your list.

Most of the Dublin forwards you've mentioned haven't been consistent performers in the last few years. Dublin are a great team and each of them have had their moments as you would expect. That's the strength of the Dublin setup, one or two of them are going to have a good day.

Keegan & Fenton are the two that get close to your superman-esque expectations. Both have much free'er roles.

For players who play a similar role, get similar attention and have a similar ability, I would look to compare him to Murphy, Connolly & Donaghy.
Murphy is just a better and more influential player.
Donaghy was extremely effective but has serious talent around him to bring it out.
Connolly is a class player but hasn't really dominated in the final stages.

Fr Tod Umptious · 09-05-2017 07:37PM

As long as Mayo continue to fall short during the championship no Mayo player will get the full credit that others do.

Oldtree · 09-05-2017 07:48PM

Good time to point out that there is no "I" in team. No one man is responsible for a win or a loss.

seligehgit · 09-05-2017 09:24PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

I am not sure who you think disagrees with you on this statement.

seligehgit · 09-05-2017 09:27PM

kilns wrote: »

Keegan is head and shoulders above O'Shea or any other Mayo player for that matter, why dont you see him? doing much media work....

Totally agree but he does some media work but boxes much cleverer than Aidan O Shea.He's far more media savvy than O Shea.

seligehgit · 09-05-2017 09:32PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Have you a link to that? Couldnt find it.

http://www.reservoirdubs.com/t/aidos-diary-2016-tales-from-the-back-door/925

Audioslaven · 09-05-2017 10:46PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Totally agree but he does some media work but boxes much cleverer than Aidan O Shea.He's far more media savvy than O Shea.

Ya very true. Alot of people forget that Keegan was also put on the most influential players and kept most of these players quiet. He is just an all round top top player. I think the bigger the occasion the bigger he raises his game. He really is a special talent and will do what is required for the team.

mayo.mick · 10-05-2017 12:38AM

https://twitter.com/SeanOBriain1/status/861974822217281537

seligehgit · 10-05-2017 06:47PM

Not sure if it's being mentioned but the Mayo squad for the championship was announced on Sunday.

David Clarke
Rob Hennelly
Chris Barrett
Colm Boyle
Ger Cafferkey
Stephen Coen
Caolan Crowe
David Drake
Patrick Durcan
Brendan Harrison
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Shane Nally
Donal Newcombe
Eoin O Donoghue
Donal Vaughan
Danny Kirby
Barry Moran
Seamus O Shea
Tom Parsons
Fergal Boland
Alan Dillon
Jason Doherty
Conor Loftus
Kevin McLoughlin
Andy Moran
Diarmuid O Connor
Cillian O Connor
Aidan O Shea
Conor O Shea
Evan Regan

Stoner · 10-05-2017 08:15PM

km79 wrote:

Imo diarmuid connolly has never delivered in a final....... He didn't even get going in the replay and was being outscored by his marker until an incorrect black call let him into it In fact he rarely delivers in semis either ......and doesn't always finish them if memory serves me correctly ..........but he doesn't seem to have this thrown at him like o Shea does Maybe he has better quality players around him .....?

He was great in 2011 when the heat was on and again in 2015, as a ball winner in midfield. He steps it up him and Flynn that's why it worrying for us to see them drop off

TCDStudent1 · 10-05-2017 08:20PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Not sure if it's being mentioned but the Mayo squad for the championship was announced on Sunday.

David Clarke
Rob Hennelly
Chris Barrett
Colm Boyle
Ger Cafferkey
Stephen Coen
Caolan Crowe
David Drake
Patrick Durcan
Brendan Harrison
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Shane Nally
Donal Newcombe
Eoin O Donoghue
Donal Vaughan
Danny Kirby
Barry Moran
Seamus O Shea
Tom Parsons
Fergal Boland
Alan Dillon
Jason Doherty
Conor Loftus
Kevin McLoughlin
Andy Moran
Diarmuid O Connor
Cillian O Connor
Aidan O Shea
Conor O Shea
Evan Regan

Who's in and who's out from last year? Rather than me going through the list and trying to figure it out.

Fr Tod Umptious · 10-05-2017 08:28PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Who's in and who's out from last year? Rather than me going through the list and trying to figure it out.

In (I think)
Crowe
Newcombe
Kirby
O Donoughe
Boland

Out
Freeman
Gibbons
Keane

Panrich · 10-05-2017 08:29PM

Off the top of my head so might be wrong on some

Outs:

Keane, Gibbons and Freeman

Ins:

Newcombe, O'Donaghue and Boland.

PARlance · 10-05-2017 08:33PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Who's in and who's out from last year? Rather than me going through the list and trying to figure it out.

I'll take a stab at the who's out... Freeman, Kevin Keane, Hall, Gibbons & Reape

Adding Carolan to that.

Panrich · 10-05-2017 08:41PM

Definite this time {m Looked it up)

Outs

Michael Hall
Kevin Keane
Jason Gibbons
Cathal Carolan
Alan Freeman
Brian Reape

Ins:

Donal Newcombe
Eoin O'Donoghue
Danny Kirby
Fergal Boland

We had 33 in last years panel, 31 this year

PARlance · 10-05-2017 08:51PM

Panrich wrote: »

Definite this time {m Looked it up)

Outs

Michael Hall
Kevin Keane
Jason Gibbons
Cathal Carolan
Alan Freeman
Brian Reape

Ins:

Donal Newcombe
Eoin O'Donoghue
Danny Kirby
Fergal Boland

We had 33 in last years panel, 31 this year

With Reape dropping down to the development panel.

Development Panel:
Matthew Ruane, James Carr, Seamus Cunniffe, Adam Gallagher, Brian Reape

No news of the 6th and final member of this panel afaik.

wirelessdude01 · 10-05-2017 09:30PM

PARlance wrote:

Development Panel: Matthew Ruane, James Carr, Seamus Cunniffe, Adam Gallagher, Brian Reape

Did I hear that Ruane is to have ankle surgery?

PARlance · 10-05-2017 10:29PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did I hear that Ruane is to have ankle surgery?

Not sure, he was named on the bench for Breaffy last weekend.

Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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