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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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mayo.mick

https://twitter.com/SeanOBriain1/status/861974822217281537

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Totally agree but he does some media work but boxes much cleverer than Aidan O Shea.He's far more media savvy than O Shea.

Ya very true. Alot of people forget that Keegan was also put on the most influential players and kept most of these players quiet. He is just an all round top top player. I think the bigger the occasion the bigger he raises his game. He really is a special talent and will do what is required for the team.

seligehgit

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Have you a link to that? Couldnt find it.

http://www.reservoirdubs.com/t/aidos-diary-2016-tales-from-the-back-door/925

seligehgit

kilns wrote: »

Keegan is head and shoulders above O'Shea or any other Mayo player for that matter, why dont you see him? doing much media work....

Totally agree but he does some media work but boxes much cleverer than Aidan O Shea.He's far more media savvy than O Shea.

seligehgit

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

I am not sure who you think disagrees with you on this statement.

Oldtree

Good time to point out that there is no "I" in team. No one man is responsible for a win or a loss.

[Deleted User]

As long as Mayo continue to fall short during the championship no Mayo player will get the full credit that others do.

PARlance

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

So, win an AI and you can be included in that bracket. If that's the yardstick then fair enough. He's the Mayo of Mayo so. Good but not good enough. I think it's fairly simplistic approach but it works if you want it to.

If you look at him as a player and drop him into the Dublin team then he makes your list.

Most of the Dublin forwards you've mentioned haven't been consistent performers in the last few years. Dublin are a great team and each of them have had their moments as you would expect. That's the strength of the Dublin setup, one or two of them are going to have a good day.

Keegan & Fenton are the two that get close to your superman-esque expectations. Both have much free'er roles.

For players who play a similar role, get similar attention and have a similar ability, I would look to compare him to Murphy, Connolly & Donaghy.
Murphy is just a better and more influential player.
Donaghy was extremely effective but has serious talent around him to bring it out.
Connolly is a class player but hasn't really dominated in the final stages.

km79

Imo diarmuid connolly has never delivered in a final.......
He didn't even get going in the replay and was being outscored by his marker until an incorrect black call let him into it
In fact he rarely delivers in semis either ......and doesn't always finish them if memory serves me correctly ..........but he doesn't seem to have this thrown at him like o Shea does
Maybe he has better quality players around him .....?

Shurimgreat

PARlance wrote: »

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Most of the Dublin forwards of recent years; both Brogans, McManamon, Andrews, Rock, Flynn, Kilkenny also as mentioned Brian Fenton, and even MDM, as well as most of the Dublin backs including McCaffrey and O'Sullivan. Consistent, proven players on the biggest occasions.

Aside from that, Gooch up to 2013, Michael Murphy, Canavan, and many others who have produced when it mattered, on AI final day.

AOS cannot be counted in that bracket until he delivers a big game on AI final day, as in he helps his team to victory.

I may be tough on him but sport at that level is tough.

ProudDUB

Lee Keegan isn't shy about talking to the press. He is just far cuter about where and when he does it and what he says....or more importantly, doesn't say !

PARlance wrote: »

It was worth it for that alone...

Yeah, that's what Dermo thinks too.

kilns

Keegan is head and shoulders above O'Shea or any other Mayo player for that matter, why dont you see him doing much media work....

PARlance

ProudDUB wrote: »

Well, Lee Keegan for one.

Why am I the one pointing that out?

It was worth it for that alone...

irishgeo

after the success of the long ball by new york against sligo into the full forward. i would be sticking aos in forward and play the exact same way.

ProudDUB

PARlance wrote: »

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Well, Lee Keegan for one.

Why am I the one pointing that out?

danganabu

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

You're contradicting yourself here, he is either a top player or he is not, can't have it both ways!

kilns

PARlance wrote: »

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Brian Fenton over the last two years his performances in all games have been consistently of high quality
Cluxton not much can be said

PARlance

Shurimgreat wrote: »

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

Would you have examples of top players who come up with something magical on a frequent basis in recent years?

Shurimgreat

AOS lacks the end product in big matches, ie AI semi finals and particularly finals.

He's a James Horan type player, can run and tackle and hand pass all day, but ask him to kick a couple of points or score a goal in an AI final and you will be waiting.

He is what he is and yes he gets special treatment but so do all the top players, yet they still manage to come up with something magical on a frequent basis.

PARlance

naughto wrote: »

Harrison out for the Sligo game pulled his hamstring

Ger Cafferkey back in Championship action was the other big news from the weekend.

Coillte_Bhoy

seligehgit wrote: »

BTW I do enjoy Aido' s diaries on the Reservoir Dubs website,good harmless fun.I think he might knock a laugh out of the diaries himself.

Have you a link to that? Couldnt find it.

boosabum

seligehgit wrote: »

Well said.

In my opinion, a top athletic in any sport proves himself by doing it when it's needed the most. This is the biggest days of all.
His record is poor in this manner, both for his club and county.
Top players can lose big games and still be the best player on the pitch, too often this hasn't been the case.
There's no doubt he's an approachable guy with a good personality, but it's a winning mentality that people most remember. The kerry O'sheas all seem to be nice guys too but they were leaders on the pitch for their parish and county. This is ultimately how AOS will be judged

NabyLadistheman

yop wrote: »

I would have expected Irwin to start that game. Is he injured or just not "making" the grade?

Mentioned in the Mayo News Ruane out for 3 months with surgery on his Ankle

yop

PARlance wrote: »

Anyone get to the any of the Championship games last weekend? Will be interesting to see how Westport fair this year, decent start with an away draw to Garrymore. Breaffy hammered Davitts and had Irwin and Ruane on the bench.

I would have expected Irwin to start that game. Is he injured or just not "making" the grade?

PARlance

Anyone get to the any of the Championship games last weekend? Will be interesting to see how Westport fair this year, decent start with an away draw to Garrymore. Breaffy hammered Davitts and had Irwin and Ruane on the bench.

seligehgit

Oldtree wrote: »

A couple of years back I met aiden coming off the pitch after a particularly hard match. He was exhausted and his face was a mess. To be honest I was shocked at the sight as he was almost unrecognisable, with all the brusing and lumps, yet he still took the time to sign my daughters jersey as she asked him to.

Imo this is the kind of deep character we need in our team.

In my eyes he has proved himself again and again over the years, we are human after all, and I look forward to seeing what he can do again this year.

Well said.

Oldtree

A couple of years back I met aiden coming off the pitch after a particularly hard match. He was exhausted and his face was a mess. To be honest I was shocked at the sight as he was almost unrecognisable, with all the brusing and lumps, yet he still took the time to sign my daughters jersey as she asked him to.

Imo this is the kind of deep character we need in our team.

In my eyes he has proved himself again and again over the years, we are human after all, and I look forward to seeing what he can do again this year.

jr86

kilns wrote: »

The difference between guys who get media exposure is that they have all performed when it mattered the most can any Mayo fan say that O'Shea has done that when they needed him the most

O'shea's performance against Tyrone last year was one of the most effective I've ever seen in a mayo shirt. A game they were underdogs in.

Wonderfully set up a goal too in the final replay, without which the game could potentially have been over at HT

I'm not convinced you'll be prepared to accept rational opinion around him though

jr86

martyos121 wrote: »

Torn from what I've heard. He'd do well to be fit for the Galway match if we reach it, tears usually take a good number of weeks to heal but it depends on the severity of it.

Impossible to know. Players often come back in 3 weeks

jr86

The mere fact o'shea gets so much begrudgery just tells you all you need to know about how good he is