How does an area become trendy

07-05-2017 09:36PM #1

I have been sent link for various houses that a family member is considering buying, now the area use to be considered a no go areas, inner city, very rough its in a UK city, however its now on the way to becoming a bit trendy hasn't got the vegan restaurants yet

but its getting there.

How exactly does that happen, is it just the fact that one brave soul takes a chance on a cheaper property and hopes for the best and after that others follow or is it something more.

Your Face · 07-05-2017 10:47PM

Through progress

Ubbquittious · 07-05-2017 10:47PM

Some few people might move in out of necessity, maybe a group of students or some working people escaping high rent from elsewhere. Then one decides to open a restaurant with one vegetarian item on the menu (along with all the usual meat options) or a pub that serves a couple of cocktails or a corner shop with a tiny organic section just to test the ground. Then it poshens away up from there

One eyed Jack · 07-05-2017 10:50PM

Gentrification - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification

It's that simple really.

ZeroThreat · 07-05-2017 10:52PM

D12, one place that will NEVER see gentrification:)

Jack the Stripper · 07-05-2017 10:52PM

Populate it with milf and gilf.

freshpopcorn · 07-05-2017 10:53PM

Starbucks opens!

corner of hells · 07-05-2017 10:54PM

Less gunfire and your wheelie bins not burning.

Rumpy Pumpy · 07-05-2017 10:55PM

ZeroThreat wrote: »

D12, one place that will NEVER see gentrification:)

Already happening in Crumlin, pal.

mad muffin · 07-05-2017 10:56PM

Hipsters…

degsie · 07-05-2017 10:56PM

expensive hookers move in

Phoebas · 07-05-2017 11:02PM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Already happening in Crumlin, pal.

OP, the tipping point is when people you don't know stop addressing you as pal and start addressing you as dude.

Vic_08 · 07-05-2017 11:03PM

degsie wrote: »

expensive hookers move in

Outlaw Pete · 07-05-2017 11:20PM

Alloy wheels.

You see, what happens is that some young chef with a history of financial issues can't get credit and so ends up opening up a cafe / restaurant in an area they wouldn't ordinarily be caught dead in, but the rates are good. They scrimp on the fit out by leaving some exposed brick work and then the chef's friends starting eating there. The need for cold press juices increases in the area and before you know it more and more people with cash are in the area and inevitably they start buying properties forcing people who grew up in the area to rent elsewhere. Hey presto: trendy area and all because some chef had a bad rep for snorting coke and was refused business loans that would have seen them opening up in a area when these toffee nosed twats already were frequenting.

So why didn't this happen more back in the old days?

Alloy wheels, that's why!

Yup, back in the day that new cafe with the exposed brick work would have went bust, simply because the chef's friends would only have came to area once, had their hub caps stolen and then vowed never to return, but with the advent of alloy wheels and lock nuts being standard on expensive cars these days, that's no longer a thing.

learn_more · 07-05-2017 11:22PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Gentrification - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification

It's that simple really.

I first came across this term gentrification term a few years ago when there was a report in the press about a revolt in Brixton London from the locals to the gentrification of the area. I lived near Brixton for many years previous and I have always thought it a total kip of a place. Nothing nice about it whatsoever. Ever since I've decided I'm all for gentrification if it gets rid of the scuzzy element. If locals really want to continue to live in scuzzy areas then they can fling off somewhere else enjoy it there.

steddyeddy · 07-05-2017 11:27PM

It's been happening in Peckham for a while now. Good and bad in my view. A nice mix of people would be preferable.

Calibos · 07-05-2017 11:33PM

learn_more wrote: »

I first came across this term gentrification term a few years ago when there was a report in the press about a revolt in Brixton London from the locals to the gentrification of the area. I lived near Brixton for many years previous and I have always thought it a total kip of a place. Nothing nice about it whatsoever. Ever since I've decided I'm all for gentrification if it gets rid of the scuzzy element. If locals really want to continue to live in scuzzy areas then they can fling off somewhere else enjoy it there.

I used to be of the same opionion regarding Gentrification as yourself but after some research I can now see why there can be push back against it.

It boils down to the majority of the decent residents being just as happy to see the scuzzy element go as we would be and just as happy to see the areas improved.....however in jurisdictions that have property taxes, this inevitably means that property prices go up as the area gentrifies which pushes up the property taxes to the point where the original ordinary decent non scuzzy residents can no longer afford to remain in their homes. The scuzzy elements are the first to go alright but are soon followed by all the original residents through no fault of their own. Thats where the resentment and push back against gentrification comes from.

Ubbquittious · 07-05-2017 11:36PM

They should just get rid of the property tax but as soon as you mention the thought of it you'll get a horde of pseudo-intellectuals on saying the world will end and the economy will collapse and we'll be headed for the dark ages and how all of the EU has them and therefore we can't possibly survive without property tax either

frag420 · 07-05-2017 11:40PM

Girls get those crap thigh tattoos, wear oversized denim jackets and doc marten shoes and always carry flowers at the weekend and guys grow beards that smell of craft ale, shrink their clothes and they have stop wearing socks...may or may not cycle one of those fix gear monstrosities...

tobsey · 08-05-2017 12:20AM

Location, location, location.

Former council houses were sold to the tenants living in them. Fast forward a few years and these houses arrive on the open market. People realise it's desirable to live within walking distance of cities and therefore the price of these houses go up. More wealthy people move in and issues like crime and unemployment decrease.

learn_more · 08-05-2017 12:53AM

Calibos wrote: »

I used to be of the same opionion regarding Gentrification as yourself but after some research I can now see why there can be push back against it.

It boils down to the majority of the decent residents being just as happy to see the scuzzy element go as we would be and just as happy to see the areas improved.....however in jurisdictions that have property taxes, this inevitably means that property prices go up as the area gentrifies which pushes up the property taxes to the point where the original ordinary decent non scuzzy residents can no longer afford to remain in their homes. The scuzzy elements are the first to go alright but are soon followed by all the original residents through no fault of their own. Thats where the resentment and push back against gentrification comes from.

I agree with you to an extent. But in the particular case I outlined Brixton is only a few miles from the center of London. London is one of the most expensive cities to live in and this area is hugely valuable real estate. What you have in Brixton in a community of ethcic migrants that have lived there for decades, not centuries. Some of them probably own their own homes due to council houses being sold to them privately. Lucky them for that location.

When I used the word scuzzy I wasn't talking about the drug dealers or undesirables, I was talking about the general lower working class look and feel of the area. I should have used less insulting words I admit but the fact is that lower working class areas will never have a pleasant look and feel about them, especially in cities - because the locals would never be able to afford the council tax bill that would be needed for the upkeep of the area. I do agree that running a small shop type business is not going to make one millions but I think they could put more effort into making their establishments look clean at the very least.

Their problem is not different from anyone else's problem which is that when the economy is on the up rent prices go up. I don't see why they should just expect that they should be exempt from that. I personally am going to have to relocate because my apartment rent is being increased by 62% in a few months. Whatever arguments I could make in protest at this increase one of them would *not* be that the area is being 'gentrified'. I think the argument is based on an emotion appeal from a settled community who have had it too good for too long.

MarkY91 · 08-05-2017 01:26AM

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Already happening in Crumlin, pal.

Really? Where? It's a disgusting kip. I live here almost 20 years.

08-05-2017 02:15PM

Has anyone been surprised at the phenomena happening to a area? about 25 year ago I worked with someone who purchased a small two up two down ex council house the general consensuses was amazement but at least it was cheap.

It must be happening in Cork Galway Limerick its not just a Dublin or UK phenomena.

Glenster · 08-05-2017 02:30PM

tobsey wrote: »

Location, location, location.

This 100%.

Once council tenants move out the area becomes nice.

andekwarhola · 08-05-2017 02:31PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Really? Where? It's a disgusting kip. I live here almost 20 years.

A lot of Drimnagh and Crumlin is not as rough as they were in the 70s/80s. Lived in Crumlin when I was younger (80s). There's definitely been more of an influx of professionals buying houses there in the last 15 years.

ZeroThreat wrote: »

D12, one place that will NEVER see gentrification:)

D12 also includes the likes of Walkinstown which, if not exactly gentrified, is pretty settled these days.

Dr Crayfish · 08-05-2017 03:10PM

Has anywhere in Dublin actually been properly gentrified, I mean to the extent of somewhere like Notting Hill? I don't think so.

Bambi985 · 08-05-2017 03:29PM

learn_more wrote: »

I first came across this term gentrification term a few years ago when there was a report in the press about a revolt in Brixton London from the locals to the gentrification of the area. I lived near Brixton for many years previous and I have always thought it a total kip of a place. Nothing nice about it whatsoever. Ever since I've decided I'm all for gentrification if it gets rid of the scuzzy element. If locals really want to continue to live in scuzzy areas then they can fling off somewhere else enjoy it there.

Same thing with the Elephant & Castle "regeneration" of the last few years. That area along Walworth road which was previously one of the poorest parts of England is now an odd and grim mix of cheap pound shops and cafs and dodgy characters and more affluent supermarkets and restaurants. It's a strange experience to go to Morrisons on Walworth road and nearly be herded into the ground by the queues baying for bargains, then nip next door to the tranquil silence in Marks and Spencers.

It's still a kip, but they've thrown in a few more middle-class amenities, thrown a few million at Burgess park and now property prices are through the roof because of "tranport links".

keeponhurling · 08-05-2017 03:58PM

The availability of rustic bread helps

draiochtanois · 08-05-2017 04:04PM

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Dr Crayfish · 08-05-2017 04:08PM

Bambi985 wrote: »

Same thing with the Elephant & Castle "regeneration" of the last few years. That area along Walworth road which was previously one of the poorest parts of England is now an odd and grim mix of cheap pound shops and cafs and dodgy characters and more affluent supermarkets and restaurants. It's a strange experience to go to Morrisons on Walworth road and nearly be herded into the ground by the queues baying for bargains, then nip next door to the tranquil silence in Marks and Spencers.

It's still a kip, but they've thrown in a few more middle-class amenities, thrown a few million at Burgess park and now property prices are through the roof because of "tranport links".

Ah the Walworth Road. I like it, I'm surprised it hasn't been gentrified by now given it's only a few minutes from Waterloo. Camberwell has cleaned up its act a little too, I'd still say it's a long way from being called gentrified though.

blanch152 · 08-05-2017 05:14PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Has anywhere in Dublin actually been properly gentrified, I mean to the extent of somewhere like Notting Hill? I don't think so.

Stoneybatter?

Ringsend?

How does an area become trendy

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