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TDs have voted to make it compulsory to stand during the Dail prayer

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    #32
    Tayschren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Tayschren


    big syke wrote: »
    Separate issues.

    I have no problem with having prayers before work.

    I am totally against the nuns owning/operating whatever the maternity hospital.

    I am anti abuse rather than anti catholic/church

    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in


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    #33
    [Deleted User]
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    kylith wrote: »
    Why the feck can't they just have the silence and people can pray in silence if they feel the need to, or mentally write a shopping list if they prefer. Covers all bases.

    or why cant they just do their praying at home, in private???


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    #34
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Tayschren wrote: »
    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in

    Standing for prayers before work (while also having the option of not even attending these prayers) vs giving nuns control of a maternity hospital where there would be a clear conflict of interest is of course two completely separate issues.


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    #35
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    I see Sinn Fein abstained. If you thought Labour were useless and disappointing in government, just wait until SF get their chance.


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    #36
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    big syke wrote: »

    I have no problem with having prayers before work.

    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?


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    #37
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?

    Who is forcing anyone to stand while they pray?

    They have an option not to attend.


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    #38
    The_Valeyard
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    What about forcing other people to stand while you pray?

    No one is forcing anybody to do anything.

    The Dail has not commenced business or proceedings. It's not work time. Not praying, why be there.


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    #39
    The_Valeyard
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    Jake1 wrote: »
    or why cant they just do their praying at home, in private???

    Just out of the way all hush hush, no sight if your faith anywhere, might displease some atheists.


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    #40
    Cervantes2
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    If it was to Mecca there'd be a lot more on boards in favour of it ;)

    0/10


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    #41
    Chester Copperpot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    big syke wrote: »
    It is on their own time though :confused:

    It is before work no?

    Should have been a bit more specific. On their own time meant away from the institutions of the state where they should be focused on acting as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens. If they want to engage in religious practice do it somewhere else


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    #42
    pjohnson
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    BabyCheeses wrote: »
    I knew you lot would be quick to show up but Christ, at least give us a chance to respond saying this isn't the best thing ever before winding up the victim complex.

    Oh wait you think I'm a bible basher? Oh dear how wrong you are lol.


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    #43
    infogiver
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    How is it even legal to force people to perform a religious act before work?

    Less legal and more democratic I'd imagine.
    The majority of TDs want to pray and stand and reflect.
    I'm sure if you just want to stand patiently for a couple of minutes and not pray or reflect at all that no one is going to poke you with a stick.


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    #44
    zedhead
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭zedhead


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Before your work begins, not interfering with your day at all.

    It might be. I regularly arrive to work early, if I had to leave my desk and wait outside to avoid having to stand for a prayer in my office I would not be too happy. Also for people on flexi time they may start work earlier than the official start time so this would interfere with their day. It has no place in a work setting at all!


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    #45
    osarusan
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    Hopefully somebody stays sitting the first chance they get.


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    #46
    ScumLord
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    big syke wrote: »
    Who is forcing anyone to stand while they pray?

    They have an option not to attend.
    So it's basically that Catholics can reserve the dail so they can have a prayer for themselves and non catholics have stand or stay out?

    It's the hijacking of the centre of our state for a select group of people.

    Is there not already some sort of chapel in the dail?


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    #47
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    If it gets them to turn up everyday I'm all for it


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    #48
    pjohnson
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    Tayschren wrote: »
    No its not, the government is full of bent over jebus believing troglodytes who see nothing wrong with empowering the church, to the extent they stand for prayer in whats supposed to be a secular state run parliament.

    This is the state we are in

    Yes the state of Ireland.


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    #49
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Chester Copperpot wrote: »
    Should have been a bit more specific. On their own time meant away from the institutions of the state where they should be focused on acting as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens. If they want to engage in religious practice do it somewhere else

    So once they are inside a state building they have to act as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens?

    What about lunch hour?

    I really fail to grasp peoples problem.

    Prayers before work that are optional outside working hours??

    What is the issue?


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    #50
    The_Valeyard
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    zedhead wrote: »
    It might be. I regularly arrive to work early, if I had to leave my desk and wait outside to avoid having to stand for a prayer in my office I would not be too happy. Also for people on flexi time they may start work earlier than the official start time so this would interfere with their day. It has no place in a work setting at all!

    Is your desk in an empty chamber with no business there before work begins where there is literally nothing you can do but sit. It's not an office, no printing of photocopying, no nothing. It's not an office building with flexi time, it's not like someone is prevented from doing absolutely anything.


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    #51
    pjohnson
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    big syke wrote: »
    So once they are inside a state building they have to act as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens?

    What about lunch hour?

    I really fail to grasp peoples problem.

    Prayers before work that are optional outside working hours??

    What is the issue?

    The issue is that variants of "church" and "pray" are major triggers for some AH regulars.


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    #52
    techdiver
    Registered Users Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Anyone who thinks this is "no harm", or a good idea is nothing but a zealotous moron!

    Why was this even on the agenda today? What were they trying to fix, other than to copper fasten, the close link of church and state at a time when it under the most (deserved) pressure.

    Pray at ****ing home if you want to. Don't be making it an even greater part of or so called secular state institutions!


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    #53
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    zedhead wrote: »
    It might be. I regularly arrive to work early, if I had to leave my desk and wait outside to avoid having to stand for a prayer in my office I would not be too happy. Also for people on flexi time they may start work earlier than the official start time so this would interfere with their day. It has no place in a work setting at all!

    Are people on flexi time in your job asked to leave their desk for prayer time?

    Actually does this actually affect you particular situation?

    The dail does not operate flexi time.

    The prayers are in the chamber before the working day.


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    #54
    Chester Copperpot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    big syke wrote: »
    So once they are inside a state building they have to act as legislators in the interests of all Irish citizens?

    What about lunch hour?

    I really fail to grasp peoples problem.

    Prayers before work that are optional outside working hours??

    What is the issue?

    The issue is that they are using the dail. Why don't they have a pray outside before going in


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    #55
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    ScumLord wrote: »
    So it's basically that Catholics can reserve the dail so they can have a prayer for themselves and non catholics have stand or stay out?

    It's the hijacking of the centre of our state for a select group of people.

    Is there not already some sort of chapel in the dail?

    Yes they have the dail for a short amount of time BEFORE THE WORKING DAY.

    I am sure members of other religions can petition for some time to pray also (outside working hours).

    You are being a bit OTT calling it hijacking.


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    #56
    The_Valeyard
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    techdiver wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks this is "no harm", or a good idea is nothing but a zealotous moron!

    Why was this even on the agenda today? What were they trying to fix, other than to copper fasten, the close link of church and state at a time when it under the most (deserved) pressure.

    Pray at ****ing home if you want to. Don't be making it an even greater part of or so called secular state institutions!

    Yes, calling people who you disagree with morons is really an insightful and helpful way to debate an issue.


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    #57
    zedhead
    Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭zedhead


    big syke wrote: »
    Are people on flexi time in your job asked to leave their desk for prayer time?

    Actually does this actually affect you particular situation?

    The dail does not operate flexi time.

    The prayers are in the chamber before the working day.

    The response was to someone who was saying it shouldnt be an issue if it was introduced in any workplace. It hasn't been introduced in my workplace but I would of course have a huge issue if it was in any way shape or form. Apart from actual religious organisations - prayer has no place to be mandated for in a work place, especially not our government.
    If people want to pray is should be done in a way to not impact anyone else in the workplace, it is a private matter.


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    #58
    pjohnson
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    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Yes, calling people who you disagree with morons is really an insightful and helpful way to debate an issue.

    It also shows a certain level of intelligence.


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    #59
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Chester Copperpot wrote: »
    The issue is that they are using the dail. Why don't they have a pray outside before going in

    Why is the use of the dail an issue though?


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    #60
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Approaching 3pm....yup its time for boards anti-catholic thread!

    It's not anticatholic, it's pro separation of church and state.


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    #61
    Chester Copperpot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Chester Copperpot


    The other issue is that the ceann comhairle must also lead the prayer. So they will exclude people from that position if they don't want to pray. Is a shoddy piece of legislation and hopefully won't last long


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