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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #4562
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    He is a draw and after the 2 Conor fights it can only have got bigger, nobody knows because he hasnt fought but I could see him and Tony doing well business wise for the UFC, Conor has made Nate into a celebrity now, he only had cult fans like myself for year now hes known as the guy who strangled McGregor.


  • #4563
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    He is a draw and after the 2 Conor fights it can only have got bigger, nobody knows because he hasnt fought but I could see him and Tony doing well business wise for the UFC, Conor has made Nate into a celebrity now, he only had cult fans like myself for year now hes known as the guy who strangled McGregor.

    100% you're correct.

    Evidence is Holly Holm v Shevchenko. Highest UFC on Fox ratings for a summer event of all-time, mainly because the public knew Holly as the woman who kicked the face off Ronda.

    Still, I'm just saying there's no evidence Nate can headline a PPV against anybody and do better than 500,000 on his own.

    If he can, fair play to him. The UFC clearly aren't convinced enough to entice him with a basic $2 million Fight Purse anyway.


  • #4564
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Nobody is pretending or suggesting Nate, or anybody, can draw on the scale of McGregor. Nobody

    You can't harp back to a fight from five years ago and say "he only did x". That completely ignores the fact that it is a completely different organisation these days.

    If Holloway Vs Pettis can main event a PPV, or Holm Vs de Randamie, so can Nate Diaz vs. X, particularly if X is someone dangerous like Khabib or Ferguson.


  • #4565
    daRobot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭daRobot


    My view is this:

    As his ranking shows, Nate is a something of journeyman fighter, but a really bad stylistic matchup for McGregor for a number of factors (as we all know)

    If he goes in a loses badly to Tony, it takes the shine off the 3rd fight - and certainly his negotiating position when it comes to money. A bad enough loss and it may not even happen.

    Diaz's stock has never been higher, so he's not taking any chances - and I don't blame him.

    Tony is just playing the same game. He beats Diaz and then he's the guy, who beat the guy, who beat McGregor.

    Either way, looking forward to the next fight. Can't beat the drama.


  • #4566
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    If Holloway Vs Pettis can main event a PPV, or Holm Vs de Randamie, so can Nate Diaz vs. X, particularly if X is someone dangerous like Khabib or Ferguson.

    Agree.

    But Holloway, Pettis, Holm, Germaine were not talking about wanting $20 million to fight.

    Nate (and his fans) have delusional ideas about his "worth".

    The UFC were paying Nate 20k/20k before Conor for a reason. And now he wants disclosed purses of $3 million + PPV Points to fight Tony Ferguson?


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  • #4567
    XsApollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    After the 2 McGregor fights Nate doesn't need to fight anymore I would say.

    He made his money so he doesn't need to fight for 20/20 anymore.

    Same as McGregor is now, he would of fought anybody before the belts, now he doesn't need to.


  • #4568
    jcd5971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    Ush1 wrote:
    Nate doesn't need the money. The rubber match will be the biggest fight in MMA history without Nate fighting anyone in between.


    How does sitting out help him get more money tho, he is the one coming off a loss and sitting out hardly improves his bargaining position.

    In the second fight negotiations Diaz was in the position of having a win and McGregor being frothing at the mouth for a rematch.
    That put Nate in a very very strong position.

    I don't think the same opportunity is there for Nate to drive a hard bargain. If he wont sign over money McGregor will claim its a smokescreen coz he knows he cant win etc etc.


  • #4569
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    XsApollo wrote: »
    After the 2 McGregor fights Nate doesn't need to fight anymore I would say.

    He made his money so he doesn't need to fight for 20/20 anymore.

    Same as McGregor is now, he would of fought anybody before the belts, now he doesn't need to.

    It really depends on his lifestyle but it's safe to assume that Nate cleared $5 million after tax across the 2 fights.

    Same sentiment can be applied to Eddie Alvarez who likely cleared $2 million after tax.

    If they want to hang up the gloves they should both be comfortable for life. Even Mendes was able to start a new business with his bumper payday from the Conor fight.


  • #4570
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Nate has been making good money from sponsors too lately, I seen him in some tv ad with ice cube there a while back, him and Nick are making good money for appearances think they have hit a point where they can get by without fighting and its not as if they spend money on supercars or private jets, they have an academy too in stockton, wouldnt be surprised if we didnt seen either fight again.


  • #4571
    Fromvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    Nate was in no hurry to accept fights when he was on 20/20 and him and Nick hardly talk about fighting as if they love it, they clearly don't like it too much.

    Nate likes to teach kids, do triathlons, roll, is mostly vegetarian, wears plain black tees and jeans. He seems like a good, down to earth guy and I've heard a few media members say him and his brother are two of the nicest guys in MMA off camera, they just play it up when it turns on.

    All he needs is McGregor to lose a fight or two and he could be in McGregor's sights.


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  • #4572
    XsApollo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    It really depends on his lifestyle but it's safe to assume that Nate cleared $5 million after tax across the 2 fights.

    Same sentiment can be applied to Eddie Alvarez who likely cleared $2 million after tax.

    If they want to hang up the gloves they should both be comfortable for life. Even Mendes was able to start a new business with his bumper payday from the Conor fight.

    Yea, also maybe Nate will fight again if the money is right , but the fact he has a lot more money than he used to ,means it's gonna take a lot more to get him to fight.

    I mean why fight for 50/50when he has 10million in the bank.
    If they want him to fight , well you gotta give him something he can't turn down.


  • #4573
    finglashoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    He knows his worth?

    Can we please put to bed this narrative of Nate Diaz being some huge draw before he fought Conor?

    Guess how many PPV's Nate has headlined in his 22 UFC Fights (21 if excluding TUF Finale)?

    2 is the answer. I wonder who those were against......

    UFC Fight Night 20, Diaz v Maynard averaged 1.7 million Viewers on Spike, down 30% on the previous handful of cards.

    Nate headlined UFC on Fox 3 against Jim Miller. The previous UFC on Fox 2 drew an average of 4.7 million viewers.

    UFC on Fox 3? 2.4 million viewers.

    His BEST ever free tv showing was UFC on Fox 5 when he challenged Benson for the LW strap, fought to a decision and averaged 4.4 million viewers in a title fight. Good but not earth shattering.

    None of the numbers point to Nate being a massive draw without Conor so the narrative that he knows his worth or deserves $20 million to fight anyone else is a joke.

    Nate ain't Conor.





    The trilogy is in the back pocket for the UFC. Even if both Nate and Conor go on 0-2 streaks, the trilogy will always be there for them to settle the score.

    Heknows his worth.

    Your a great Googler but your comprehension is lacking.

    You type an avalanch of information.

    Nate v connor is worth a lot to nate.

    To fight anyone else and risk that pay day they will have to pay him what he thinks he is worth.


  • #4574
    Useful.Idiot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭Useful.Idiot


    with the way the UFC have been making fights these days I can't imagine they'd have any trouble making the trilogy fight even if Nate went and lost another 3 fights in a row.


  • #4575
    califano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭califano


    What a legend
    https://twitter.com/TeamMcGregorUFC/status/857963650790903810


  • #4576
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Lets go Dee!! All you! nice and flowy


    https://www.instagram.com/p/BTb0g5RAvHq/?taken-by=thenotoriousmma


  • #4577
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    finglashoop wrote: »
    Heknows his worth.

    Your a great Googler but your comprehension is lacking.

    You type an avalanch of information.

    Nate v connor is worth a lot to nate.

    To fight anyone else and risk that pay day they will have to pay him what he thinks he is worth.

    Nate potentially earning $10 million for a fight with Conor that would do 1.7+ million buys does not mean his worth to the UFC for a fight against Tony (that would do perhaps 500,000 buys) is also $10 million.

    If he wants to wait or never fight again that's cool but arguing he should get paid the same for any other fight than against Conor is what the cool kids call an "Epic Fail" in logic.


  • #4578
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Lets go Dee!! All you! nice and flowy

    According to The Sun (gulp) they're naming the baby after a "very famous boxer".

    Please not Tyson McGregor or Rocky McGregor...... just don't do it.


  • #4579
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    What has comprehension got to do with ability to spell? Don't be that guy.


  • #4580
    dulux99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Floyd McGregor, catchy.

    I went on a bit of a binge today and watched back all the fights from Brandao to Alvarez. What a crazy few years it's been. Would love to put this Mayweather stuff to bed so he can get back to fighting in the UFC because the excitement it brings is just unparalleled to any other sporting occasion imo. It's still crazy to see an Irish man so dominant in his sport on the world stage. We'll all look back on these days as old age pensioners as a crazy time to be an Irish mma/sports fan


  • #4581
    xtal191
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭xtal191


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    According to The Sun (gulp) they're naming the baby after a "very famous boxer".

    Please not Tyson McGregor or Rocky McGregor...... just don't do it.

    Has to be Manny McGregor


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  • #4582
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    What has comprehension got to do with ability to spell? Don't be that guy.

    Ok, fine, I edited my post but he was the one taking a shot at my intellect, which encompasses reading and writing!

    Anyway, I took out the sarcastic bit.


  • #4583
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Floyd McGregor, catchy.

    I went on a bit of a binge today and watched back all the fights from Brandao to Alvarez. What a crazy few years it's been. Would love to put this Mayweather stuff to bed so he can get back to fighting in the UFC because the excitement it brings is just unparalleled to any other sporting occasion imo. It's still crazy to see an Irish man so dominant in his sport on the world stage. We'll all look back on these days as old age pensioners as a crazy time to be an Irish mma/sports fan

    The Holloway fight gets better on every re-watch. It's one of those where a lot more action happened than you at first remember. Then again I can't think of a cagey Conor fight in the UFC, other than perhaps the first minute against Eddie when not much was thrown.


  • #4584
    scudzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    According to The Sun (gulp) they're naming the baby after a "very famous boxer".

    Please not Tyson McGregor or Rocky McGregor...... just don't do it.

    Katie McGregor, great name for a boy


  • #4585
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Vladimir McGregor


  • #4586
    Mean Laqueefa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Mean Laqueefa


    Steve as in Collins ?


  • #4587
    finglashoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Nate potentially earning $10 million for a fight with Conor that would do 1.7+ million buys does not mean his worth to the UFC for a fight against Tony (that would do perhaps 500,000 buys) is also $10 million.

    If he wants to wait or never fight again that's cool but arguing he should get paid the same for any other fight than against Conor is what the cool kids call an "Epic Fail" in logic.

    Again your not actually reading what i said. You repeatedly go off a tangent of your own after googling some figures.

    Epic fail?

    I will simplify what i mean by nate knowing his worth.

    Nate knows his earnings from a mcgregor fight. Any fight before that could damage his bargaining position for that fight- so he will want to be compensated accordingly if in any negotiation.

    Now whether the ufc deem him worth what he asks for is irrelevant. He has sit out for long spells when he wasn't getting millions for a fight.


  • #4588
    finglashoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Ok, fine, I edited my post but he was the one taking a shot at my intellect, which encompasses reading and writing!

    Anyway, I took out the sarcastic bit.

    I wasnt taking a shot. And apologies for errors on phone.

    You clearly dont properly read what people write and then come back to them with multiple paragraphs of googled information on facts and figures about something else. It is a comment on your post rather than you. I enjoy your posts but when any sort of debate arises you try and dictate narrative.

    Nate can value himself at 1 billion dollars - doesnt mean he will get it. I assume his figure for a non mcgregor fight is a lot bigger than what the ufc are willing to pay him. But i would guess he is banking on running it back with mcgregor again.


  • #4589
    HenryHill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 173 ✭✭HenryHill


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Has to be Manny McGregor

    Or Muhammad McGregor. Very popular name in ireland these days.


  • #4590
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Barry.
    After the Irish legend of course:)


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  • #4591
    martyos121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,545 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    If it isn't Marvelous Marvin McGregor, I'm giving up on him altogether.


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