Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

PowerToWait · 27-04-2017 10:34PM

Chuchote wrote: »

"In half of accidents involving bikes, the cyclist's at fault"? Very, very dodgy statistic.

It's another way of saying motorists are at fault most of the time in cyclist fatalities, though panders to anti-cycling sentiment.

I posted it here as I was surprised, it's an official government sponsored ad afaik.

I thought the parallels with the discussion here, recent Garda hi viz and helmet comments, and what's happening on Irish roads in general, were worth noting.

shootermacg · 27-04-2017 10:43PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

It's another way of saying motorists are at fault most of the time in cyclist fatalities, though panders to anti-cycling sentiment.

I posted it here as I was surprised, it's an official government sponsored ad afaik.

I thought the parallels with the discussion here, recent Garda hi viz and helmet comments, and what's happening on Irish roads in general, were worth noting.

That guy was pedaling like a clown though.

PowerToWait · 27-04-2017 10:56PM

shootermacg wrote: »

That guy was pedaling like a clown though.

The whole premise is to portray cyclists as irresponsible clowns. I'd consider that fairly shocking from a state sponsored ad.

Kaisr Sose · 28-04-2017 12:22AM

Chuchote wrote: »

"In half of accidents involving bikes, the cyclist's at fault"? Very, very dodgy statistic.

1. As pointed out, it's nearly half which is not half and could be way less
2. That's a Swiss advert, not Irish. So Swiss agenda/Swiss audience.

I lived there, seen the general respect shown to pedestrians and cyclists by motorists (and vice versa, no jay walking etc.). I would suggest that if a cyclist does have an incident with a vehicle, they may have done something erratic. But to re-iterate the point, that's in Switzerland.

Don't make the assumption it's a global statistic, it's not meant to be.

MediaMan · 28-04-2017 12:51AM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Damn this thread got huge. For those that remember from earlier. I have a conclusion to this scenario:

TLDR: Went to Gards, got a direct apology from the taxi driver. Not much else the gards could do.

Even though this ended up as a reasonable outcome, I find it appalling that the Gardai are unable (or feel unable) to prosecute this type of behaviour. If someone went around the streets thrusting a sharp knife towards people, they would be arrested, even if they didn't actually stab anyone.

Why a motorist doing effectively the same thing with a car can walk away without fear of prosecution, even when it's captured on video beggars belief. It shows how much the car-centric philosophy is ingrained in our society.

I looked at that the car-free Oslo video and felt like crying at the lost opportunities for similar schemes here, due to the total lack of vision of our so-called leaders.

Kaisr Sose · 28-04-2017 08:08AM

Second MediaMan there. I am waiting one week to make a full statement about a driver that drove at me. Had it been an afraid attempted assault on the street, the accused would have been arrested/ questioned by now. What I found out is they can't even arrest or compell the motorist to give a statement under caution (it's voluntary) if it's not criminal assault. So even though a car can be used as a weapon, where no injury occurs, it's normally prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act (dangerous driving) rather than as an attempted assault. You could argue that Irish law is an Ass!

CramCycle · 28-04-2017 08:45AM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Second MediaMan there. I am waiting one week to make a full statement about a driver that drove at me. Had it been an afraid attempted assault on the street, the accused would have been arrested/ questioned by now. What I found out is they can't even arrest or compell the motorist to give a statement under caution (it's voluntary) if it's not criminal assault. So even though a car can be used as a weapon, where no injury occurs, it's normally prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act (dangerous driving) rather than as an attempted assault. You could argue that Irish law is an Ass!

I also think that the Garda in your case is wrong, they could go under the attempted assault route and it would be justified, if a difficult one to prove. Find the right Garda, and I suspect you would have gotten the right response. Alas I feel the paperwork mess that is the other side of police work in Ireland means that many have lost the will to go after the small stuff as they know it will suck up 75% of their time.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 09:29AM

Coming down the quays yesterday - green light though junction at DCC offices, going at a fair clip, car pulled out right in front of me at Merchants Quay. Driver completely oblivious. Yelled "Wakey, Wakey", still oblivious and confused as to what was wrong.

Coming towards castleknock gate this morning, going down hill at probably close to 40 kph, numpty in a ford focus pulls out to my left right in front of me from a side street. Bright flashing strobe on my bike, completely oblivious. Didn't even register with him.

Further on, car pulled into the dedicated bike lane to park beside it opposite Loretto School on Stephen's Green, completely obliviously. Sure it's a free space beside a bike lane - there's no one else to consider.

Saw these in Tk Maxx for €20 - worth a punt, probably not up to much in rain. Even cheaper here:

https://www.tjhughes.co.uk/milestone-micro-dv-camera-p5099

Nearly disposable at that price. "Ideal for recording footage of reckless drives" :pac;

CramCycle · 28-04-2017 09:51AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

https://www.tjhughes.co.uk/milestone-micro-dv-camera-p5099

Had one a few years ago, fisheye view, sound was awful. Image quality was OK/mediocre but it failed in very short order.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 09:53AM

CramCycle wrote: »

Had one a few years ago, fisheye view, sound was awful. Image quality was OK/mediocre but it failed in very short order.

Yeah fair enough, you pays peanuts you gets monkeys as they say

I love Sean nos · 28-04-2017 10:03AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah fair enough, you pays peanuts you gets monkeys as they say

Aye, but you can teach a monkey to hold your phone and record video in landscape.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 10:06AM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Aye, but you can teach a monkey to hold your phone and record video in landscape.

Or cycle a bike

Kaisr Sose · 28-04-2017 11:35AM

CramCycle wrote: »

I also think that the Garda in your case is wrong, they could go under the attempted assault route and it would be justified, if a difficult one to prove. Find the right Garda, and I suspect you would have gotten the right response. Alas I feel the paperwork mess that is the other side of police work in Ireland means that many have lost the will to go after the small stuff as they know it will suck up 75% of their time.

I don't disagree! All statements have to be dictated....slow slow! My post here is esssentially my statement only to add the driver slowed down to my pace before steering at me three times.

I am going back again tonight to report it again. The other Garda wrote it on a sheet of paper and said he was back on duty again Tuesday and would contact me. Still waiting!

Meanwhile I am concerned that video footage from two businesses and a traffic camera at the junction that may hold vital footage, may not be preserved.

LpPepper · 28-04-2017 12:54PM

Not the worst passes or behaviour but certainly not that great either. General lack of care for others using the road, keep in mind these occured on just one 50km spin. The GoPro is mounted on the left of the stem and the wide angle lense makes it seem that they're not as close as they really were...

1. Beeping and shouting at me telling me to use the "cycle lane" while undertaking traffic at speed...
2. Not attempt to pass safely even with no oncoming traffic whatsoever
3. Overtaking up a hill and around a blind bend, nearly colliding with oncoming car.
4. Close pass at speed, no intention of waiting behind to overtake safely.
5. Fast and close pass on a narrow road - I moved a little over to allow them to go around me (hoping they would slow a little) but they didn't feel like being as courteous as me....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Tenzor07 · 28-04-2017 01:16PM

LpPepper wrote: »

1. Beeping and shouting at me telling me to use the "cycle lane" while undertaking traffic at speed...

That's the R136 near Tallaght?

Actually really like that road, good wide bus lane all along it, I don't get why the clown in the Toyota was beeping you out of it, did you have an earlier altercation of any sort?

LpPepper · 28-04-2017 01:18PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That's the R136 near Tallaght?

Actually really like that road, good wide bus lane all along it, I don't get why the clown in the Toyota was beeping you out of it, did you have an earlier altercation of any sort?

Yep it's the road that goes from Jobstown to Lucan. Drivers beeping and close passing for cycling in the bus lane there at that exact spot are pretty frequent. Never happens going the opposite direction. No altercation of any sort previously - just shouting and pointing at the cycle lane...

Roadhawk · 28-04-2017 03:39PM

Weepsie wrote: »

The irony of people telling you to go in a lane you don't have to ...

I thought that law changed again and now the lanes have to be used when provided?

magicbastarder · 28-04-2017 03:40PM

the law itself has not changed since 2012. what the department of transport thinks it means has changed.

Roadhawk · 28-04-2017 03:42PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

the law itself has not changed since 2012. what the department of transport thinks it means has changed.

I suppose its all about interpretation. Make of it what you want.

amcalester · 28-04-2017 03:46PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

I suppose its all about interpretation. Make of it what you want.

Its not really, just a ham fisted attempt by the Dept. to force cyclists onto inadequate cycle lanes.

But you already knew that...

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 04:30PM

What I can't understand is why drivers that are in no way being impacted by a bike that's say 500mm wide feel it necessary to point out where to cycle.

07Lapierre · 28-04-2017 04:32PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

What I can't understand is why drivers that are in no way being impacted by a bike that's say 500mm wide feel it necessary to point out where to cycle.

Because we don't pay road tax..remember? Its THEIR tax money that's used to build all the bike lanes.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 04:41PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Because we don't pay road tax..remember? Its THEIR tax money that's used to build all the bike lanes.

Oh, silly me.

stronglikebull · 28-04-2017 04:44PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Because we don't pay road tax..remember? Its THEIR tax money that's used to build all the bike lanes.

No one pays road tax :pac: Which is something I've pointed out to drivers that shout it at me on a regular basis, while also saying that I do pay motor tax, just like they do.

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2017 04:49PM

stronglikebull wrote: »

No one pays road tax :pac: Which is something I've pointed out to drivers that shout it at me on a regular basis, while also saying that I do pay motor tax, just like they do.

shhhhh. It's a cycling forum joke......:pac:

AndrewJRenko · 28-04-2017 05:06PM

Roadhawk wrote: »

I suppose its all about interpretation. Make of it what you want.

You know that civil servants and government departments don't get to interpret the law, right - that would be a matter for the Courts.

CramCycle · 28-04-2017 05:51PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You know that civil servants and government departments don't get to interpret the law, right - that would be a matter for the Courts.

I'd be happy to have a day in court over it but I suspect that either you would never be lifted for it or the paperwork would be too annoying. I wonder could I call the minister to testify.

magicbastarder · 28-04-2017 07:27PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Because we don't pay road tax..remember? Its THEIR tax money that's used to build all the bike lanes.

i had another of these debates on facebook earlier with someone who claimed cyclists are arrogant because they don't wear helmets for their own safety.
and then signed off to go to a rugby match.

FizzleSticks · 28-04-2017 07:40PM

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stevek93 · 29-04-2017 01:41PM

I am constantly getting clipped by cars on my way to work I am now sick of it to the point where I don't want to cycle anymore. Yesterday I was approaching lights that were red, I was maybe 10 foot away from car stopped at the lights and this idiot overtakes me clips the side of the bike and nearly knocks me flying. Why she thought of the need to overtake me I don't understand.

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