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  • #872
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    I've often used that road and wouldn't consider it that bad. Yes, it certainly could be better but it's not one I particularly fear.

    Speaking as a motorist no doubt!


  • #873
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,694 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    In Switzerland it's illegal to park on the street. If you have a car, it's your responsibility to park it off the road. If you don't have a driveway or private property to park on...thats your problem.

    Unless it's changed from when I lived there 10yrs ago, that's not correct. You could get permits for street parking on your street - if spaces were available. Not cheap. They also have a 2hr free rule in suburbs or other specified locations, but you have to self declare your arrival time with a paper dial clock placed on your dash. Try to set it later than you park and you risk a ticket and overstay, you risk a ticket. Everywhere else, no free parking - including parks. Great country for cycling, not so for driving. The more you use your car, the more you are levied (done from their matriculation (nct). While it has a good road network, cars are looked down upon as causes of congestion and pollution. You can easily live there without a car and get to anywhere you want on effecient public transport. If you need a car, you can hire them by the hour (like our city bikes)
    I can't recall seeing a crash there - people obey the rules of the road and when they speed or run a light, they are likely to be fined.


  • #874
    ThisRegard
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    I've often used that road and wouldn't consider it that bad. Yes, it certainly could be better but it's not one I particularly fear.

    Yeah, never struck me as too bad when on the bike there. But ironically when driving it I see more issues with vehicle behaviour around other cyclists.


  • #875
    magicbastarder
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    Annie get your Run wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, why aren't the ROTR law? What's the point in having them if they're not enforceable? I always just assumed that they were.
    they're meant to be the 'plain english' interpretation of the law. it'd be a bit mad to ask learner drivers to learn the actual law (since our own state bodies have trouble interpreting them).


  • #876
    AndrewJRenko
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    Roadhawk wrote: »
    I wonder how much on-street parking is worth, in Dublin alone, on a daily basis.

    In what terms? Are you talking about income from parking fees or what?
    Alanstrainor wrote: »
    TLDR: Went to Gards, got a direct apology from the taxi driver. Not much else the gards could do.

    I suppose the other option could be a prosecution for careless driving, though I've no idea if this would be likely to stick in Court. I've never bothered reporting close passes to the Gardai, as it is hard enough to get them to act of visible, unquestionable offences like red-light-jumps and phone use.

    But the informal approach of getting an apology from the driver isn't a bad outcome. If the driver has any kind of humanity about them, the experience of having a Garda land at the front door and having to come to the station to give an explanation and face the accuser would surely have an impact when they find themselves in that situation on the road.

    There are a minority of brazen drivers who wouldn't be impacted by this, but it is a positive step to some degree.


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  • #877
    robyntmorton
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    I like the principle of restorative justice for these things, and while we can't put the driver on a bike and run a car/bus/tank past them at close pass distance, being able to put that footage in front of them, showing them just how bad it is can change behaviours without having to go through the legal system.

    Some people will never change though, but I'll not go there.


  • #878
    magicbastarder
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    But the informal approach of getting an apology from the driver isn't a bad outcome. If the driver has any kind of humanity about them, the experience of having a Garda land at the front door and having to come to the station to give an explanation and face the accuser would surely have an impact when they find themselves in that situation on the road.
    probably a naive question, but would the gardai maintain/refer to records of having visited drivers to have a wee chat?
    i.e. would a garda know if he was the third garda to go visit a driver for a 'what were you thinking?' talk?


  • #879
    ED E
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    probably a naive question, but would the gardai maintain/refer to records of having visited drivers to have a wee chat?
    i.e. would a garda know if he was the third garda to go visit a driver for a 'what were you thinking?' talk?

    In the UK they have a formal police caution for that, dunno if we have the same here. Paging GM228!


  • #880
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,716 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    probably a naive question, but would the gardai maintain/refer to records of having visited drivers to have a wee chat?
    i.e. would a garda know if he was the third garda to go visit a driver for a 'what were you thinking?' talk?
    Good question.


  • #881
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Unless it's changed from when I lived there 10yrs ago, that's not correct. You could get permits for street parking on your street - if spaces were available. Not cheap. They also have a 2hr free rule in suburbs or other specified locations, but you have to self declare your arrival time with a paper dial clock placed on your dash. Try to set it later than you park and you risk a ticket and overstay, you risk a ticket. Everywhere else, no free parking - including parks. Great country for cycling, not so for driving. The more you use your car, the more you are levied (done from their matriculation (nct). While it has a good road network, cars are looked down upon as causes of congestion and pollution. You can easily live there without a car and get to anywhere you want on effecient public transport. If you need a car, you can hire them by the hour (like our city bikes)
    I can't recall seeing a crash there - people obey the rules of the road and when they speed or run a light, they are likely to be fined.

    Geez! You can't trust anyone! :) my wife's aunt and uncle live in Zurich and he told me parking on the street was illegal. There coming over to Ireland in a few weeks! I'll give him a thump for you! :)


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  • #882
    Beasty
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    they're meant to be the 'plain english' interpretation of the law. it'd be a bit mad to ask learner drivers to learn the actual law (since our own state bodies have trouble interpreting them).
    They are, but equally you need to bear in mind that some rules, such as dangerous driving, can be quite subjective. Causing an accident or having a near miss when breaking the RoTR is likely to be held against you when determining guilt and any penalties


  • #883
    tomasrojo
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    ED E wrote: »
    In the UK they have a formal police caution for that, dunno if we have the same here. Paging GM228!

    They have a "caution register" here. A driver who did some bizarre stuff against me was put on the caution register. He had no previous convictions, so the Gardaí reckoned there was no point going to court. They did try to set up a handshake between me and the driver, which I was amenable to at first, but when they told me his version of what had happened between us, I said he was lying and I wasn't interested in meeting him.

    I think if there are subsequent incidents with the driver, the caution register can lead to a harsher sentence, but I might have misunderstood that.


  • #884
    Alanstrainor
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    But the informal approach of getting an apology from the driver isn't a bad outcome. If the driver has any kind of humanity about them, the experience of having a Garda land at the front door and having to come to the station to give an explanation and face the accuser would surely have an impact when they find themselves in that situation on the road.

    There are a minority of brazen drivers who wouldn't be impacted by this, but it is a positive step to some degree.

    You're right. And maybe it didn't come across well in my post. I am happy with the outcome in the end. The driver fully took responsibility for the dangerous maneuver and apologised numerous times for the whole thing. I would not have wanted things to go any further after the meeting today.


  • #885
    Kaisr Sose
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    probably a naive question, but would the gardai maintain/refer to records of having visited drivers to have a wee chat?
    i.e. would a garda know if he was the third garda to go visit a driver for a 'what were you thinking?' talk?

    If it goes up on PULSE, there is a record which could go against them at a later point (another incident) In my opinion all blatantly dangerous incidents should be reported as it helps the Garda build a profile of that drivers overall driving.


  • #886
    Kaisr Sose
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    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Geez! You can't trust anyone! :) my wife's aunt and uncle live in Zurich and he told me parking on the street was illegal. There coming over to Ireland in a few weeks! I'll give him a thump for you! :)

    That may be their street or area if close to the city centre? There is on street parking in Bern where I lived but also lots of underground parking. Here very little of anything goes underground! Go easy on the visitors...


  • #887
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,092 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    That coast road is a nitemare, I've only ever tackled it when there's a strong wind behind me and I can do about 35/40kph along it...
    What exactly do you mean be a 'nitemare'? I've ridden than road countless times and can't ever recall any incidents on it. It's very popular with cyclists and I'd say most motorists expect them. (It's also one of the few roads in Co Dublin with very little truck activity).


  • #888
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    What exactly do you mean be a 'nitemare'? I've ridden than road countless times and can't ever recall any incidents on it. It's very popular with cyclists and I'd say most motorists expect them. (It's also one of the few roads in Co Dublin with very little truck activity).

    Have a look at that GreenParty video link I mentioned earlier, if you think(the coast road) it's great then you and I and i'm sure most standards of what a safe road is differs vastly.


  • #889
    Wishbone Ash
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Have a look at that GreenParty video link I mentioned earlier, if you think(the coast road) it's great then you and I and i'm sure most standards of what a safe road is differs vastly.
    I have watched the Green Party video but I wouldn't be a fan of their cycling policies as such.

    I never said the coast road was 'great', just that I can't ever recall having any incidents on it (compared to the R128 for example).

    I also noticed that you've deflected the question so I'm still in the dark regarding your 'nitemare' experiences.


  • #890
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,694 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    @Wishbone Ash
    In their opinion it's a 'nitemare' (sic) and cites that Green Party video as the basis for that belief??


  • #891
    Tenzor07
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    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    @Wishbone Ash
    In their opinion it's a 'nitemare' (sic) and cites that Green Party video as the basis for that belief??

    As an example you ass


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  • #892
    Tenzor07
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    I have watched the Green Party video but I wouldn't be a fan of their cycling policies as such.
    I never said the coast road was 'great', just that I can't ever recall having any incidents on it (compared to the R128 for example).
    I also noticed that you've deflected the question so I'm still in the dark regarding your 'nitemare' experiences.

    Whether you're a fan of their policies or not is irrelevant to the video I referenced!

    I said the road was a nitemare from a cyclist point of view, read my posts!

    No verge, narrow, usually higher speeds from cars, poor line of sight for faster moving cars on the roads..

    Sorry I didn't satisfy some people with my reference to the GreenParty video, here's another to keep them happy:



    Though I can't find one where a guy was recording on his dashcam and driving quite fast, almost takes a cyclist out of it who was attempting a right turn onto Moyne road, v dangerous turn for a bicyclist...


  • #893
    07Lapierre
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »


    No verge, narrow, usually higher speeds from cars, poor line of sight for faster moving cars on the roads..


    Thats hardly unique to this road? There are lots of roads with similar if not worse layouts. I cycle the Baldoyle to Malahide section quite a lot and I dont find it too bad.


  • #894
    magicbastarder
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    that said, there does seem to be space to widen the road by a metre or two along a decent length of it, which would do no harm.


  • #895
    J.pilkington
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    On the case itself, hopefully the result is that the taxi driver will have learned from it and be more careful in future and so don't feel it was a wasted effort.
    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Speaking as a motorist no doubt!

    Agree with the other posters that this road is not as bad as you make out

    Think you are being outnumbered on this one!


  • #896
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Thats hardly unique to this road? There are lots of roads with similar if not worse layouts. I cycle the Baldoyle to Malahide section quite a lot and I dont find it too bad.

    Never said it was! Reason I referenced it is because poster: Alanstrainor showed a video of their experiences on that particular road... Do people not read the last number of posts here??

    And that's Your opinion of course! Doesn't mean it's the majority or according to any standards of road cyclist safety!


  • #897
    Tenzor07
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    J.pilkington wrote: »
    Agree with the other posters that this road is not as bad as you make out
    Think you are being outnumbered on this one!

    Lucky this is a place to express an opinion and not a popularity contest so!


    Interesting to see that some people think this road is "Grand" for cyclists, shows how bad things are in general I guess!


    w7iote.jpg


  • #898
    07Lapierre
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Lucky this is a place to express an opinion and not a popularity contest so!


    Interesting to see that some people think this road is "Grand" for cyclists, shows how bad things are in general I guess!


    w7iote.jpg

    The road is fine...it's the Bike lane thats sh**e!


  • #899
    magicbastarder
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    actually, why don't they paint the road numbers on the road in the way they appear on the screenshot?


  • #900
    Tenzor07
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    07Lapierre wrote: »
    The road is fine...it's the Bike lane thats sh**e!

    Bike lane needs to extend from Baldoyle to Malahide/Swords. And also from there to Clongriffin.. I can't believe the number of new apartment buildings going up in that area.. how will these people get around, private car?

    I would wonder if those who think "ah sure it's grand" would be happy to let their kid(s) or wife/partner cycle to school etc along that road each day, esp. on dark evenings?


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  • #901
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Tenzor07 wrote: »

    I would wonder if those who think "ah sure it's grand" would be happy to let their kid(s) or wife/partner cycle to school etc along that road each day, esp. on dark evenings?

    That is a good point...but all we're saying is this road is just as good/bad as any other road. I cycle along it in daylight and at night and I don't find driver behaviour on it any better/worse than any other road.


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