Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Django99 · 24-04-2017 12:39PM

I don't think they aren't taking it seriously, but they were missing a lot of key players. Not a whole lot they can do about that. I was expecting them to win but if id known they were missing all those players I would have given the boro a great chance. They've a good young team that will improve over the next couple of years I'd say. If they can settle on a good spine they have the talent to be challenging for the championship

DickoHara · 24-04-2017 01:45PM

How many rounds of the club league are left before Kilkenny will start in the leinster senior championship

brookville · 24-04-2017 01:50PM

DickoHara wrote: »

How many rounds of the club league are left before Kilkenny will start in the leinster senior championship

I think two more rounds

Village87 · 24-04-2017 02:18PM

From the 4 games i was at Walter Walsh and Richie Hogan were really stand out players. Richie Leahy out for a spell i presume, will be a big loss for the u21 match if he cant make it.

blackcard · 24-04-2017 11:00PM

Form of County players based on matches I was at or what I heard.
Paul Murphy, played o.k. at full back.
Padraig Walsh played well as a forward.
Conor O'Shea did not play.
Conor Fogarty played decently at centre back/midfield
Jason Cleere played ok at centre back
Cillian Buckley played well at centre back
Joey Holden did well at centre back.
Shane Prendergast did o.k. at centre back
Pat Lyng did well at midfield
Richie Hogan played very well at centre forward scored about 1-4
TJ Reid played well at centre forward scored 0-3 from play.
Walter Walsh had a good game
Colin Fennelly scored a good goal, generally quiet
Richie Leahy pulled a hamstring.
Ger Aylward did not play
Kevin Kelly did not play
Jonjo Farrell played well.
Liam Blanchfield was quiet
Rob Lennon was o.k.
Sean Morrissey struggled.
Michael Malone struggled.
Ollie Walsh was ok.
Didn't hear anything about Paddy Deegan, listed at right back
Mark Berlin? Conor Martin? Eoin Murphy?

Noddy33 · 24-04-2017 11:19PM

Anyone else hear Clara have lodged an appeal against score of Danesfort match.I been told appeal is based on a Clara score was awarded on Danesfort score side which obviously is a two point swing and hence match would have been a draw.Now I was at the match and at no stage did anyone around me notice or claim an error on the scoreboard

24-04-2017 11:46PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Is that what we have become? Rub Tipp's nose in it when they lose the league final... Even though we've had a pretty poor league campaign ourselves :rolleyes:

I think both Kilkenny and Tipp will be involved come the business end of the season for sure. Either are still capable of winning the All ireland. Any man who'd rule a Brian Cody managed team out is a lunatic. What exactly is people basing their so called decline on? 1 bad final last year against Tipp where they came up short on the day? Im not sure id use this league as a barometer either. No one mentions the fact they ground out a tough win over two games against Waterford and beat Galway in the Leinster final last year and scored 2-20 against Tipp.

Suddenly Galway is the team to beat based on one game? :rolleyes: Galway were fresh having faced Offaly, Laois and Kerry in the league and Limerick werent up to much either. Waterford downed tools in the last ten minutes against them and Wexford beat them. We were heavy legged and stuck to the ground from the first whistle yesterday. Galway smelt blood and went for the throat and good luck to them but it will be a whole different game if/when we meet them in the latter stages of the championship.

brookville · 25-04-2017 10:23AM

Noddy33 wrote: »

Anyone else hear Clara have lodged an appeal against score of Danesfort match.I been told appeal is based on a Clara score was awarded on Danesfort score side which obviously is a two point swing and hence match would have been a draw.Now I was at the match and at no stage did anyone around me notice or claim an error on the scoreboard

I was at the match and there was some confusion where I was standing,some people were writing down the score and it was different to the scoreboard. I didn't hear if they lodged an appeal

Noddy33 · 25-04-2017 12:51PM

brookville wrote: »

Noddy33 wrote: »

Anyone else hear Clara have lodged an appeal against score of Danesfort match.I been told appeal is based on a Clara score was awarded on Danesfort score side which obviously is a two point swing and hence match would have been a draw.Now I was at the match and at no stage did anyone around me notice or claim an error on the scoreboard

I was at the match and there was some confusion where I was standing,some people were writing down the score and it was different to the scoreboard. I didn't hear if they lodged an appeal

Heard from reliable source that official complaint has been made. Referees score had matched what was on scoreboard. I am assuming the game was covered by reporter from Kilkenny people so presume there score tally matches the final result too

northern lad · 25-04-2017 01:58PM

blackcard wrote: »

Form of County players based on matches I was at or what I heard.
Paul Murphy, played o.k. at full back.
Padraig Walsh played well as a forward.
Conor O'Shea did not play.
Conor Fogarty played decently at centre back/midfield
Jason Cleere played ok at centre back
Cillian Buckley played well at centre back
Joey Holden did well at centre back.
Shane Prendergast did o.k. at centre back
Pat Lyng did well at midfield
Richie Hogan played very well at centre forward scored about 1-4
TJ Reid played well at centre forward scored 0-3 from play.
Walter Walsh had a good game
Colin Fennelly scored a good goal, generally quiet
Richie Leahy pulled a hamstring.
Ger Aylward did not play
Kevin Kelly did not play
Jonjo Farrell played well.
Liam Blanchfield was quiet
Rob Lennon was o.k.
Sean Morrissey struggled.
Michael Malone struggled.
Ollie Walsh was ok.
Didn't hear anything about Paddy Deegan, listed at right back
Mark Berlin? Conor Martin? Eoin Murphy?

He was outstanding

Village87 · 25-04-2017 04:22PM

I heard from a few sources at the game he was solid with the help of midfielders and half forwards flooding the area, but didnt stick out as stated here.

brookville · 25-04-2017 05:36PM

blackcard wrote: »

Form of County players based on matches I was at or what I heard.
Paul Murphy, played o.k. at full back.
Padraig Walsh played well as a forward.
Conor O'Shea did not play.
Conor Fogarty played decently at centre back/midfield
Jason Cleere played ok at centre back
Cillian Buckley played well at centre back
Joey Holden did well at centre back.
Shane Prendergast did o.k. at centre back
Pat Lyng did well at midfield
Richie Hogan played very well at centre forward scored about 1-4
TJ Reid played well at centre forward scored 0-3 from play.
Walter Walsh had a good game
Colin Fennelly scored a good goal, generally quiet
Richie Leahy pulled a hamstring.
Ger Aylward did not play
Kevin Kelly did not play
Jonjo Farrell played well.
Liam Blanchfield was quiet
Rob Lennon was o.k.
Sean Morrissey struggled.
Michael Malone struggled.
Ollie Walsh was ok.
Didn't hear anything about Paddy Deegan, listed at right back
Mark Berlin? Conor Martin? Eoin Murphy?

Lester got two points I think and was his usual busy self against danesfort
Evan cody hurled well according to reports at full back for the boro
Leahy is probably a concern for the u21 match the only positive is he walked off himself like. What's the extent of the 2xmullens injury or how did adrian play last sunday evening?

blackcard · 25-04-2017 05:44PM

brookville wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

Form of County players based on matches I was at or what I heard.
Paul Murphy, played o.k. at full back.
Padraig Walsh played well as a forward.
Conor O'Shea did not play.
Conor Fogarty played decently at centre back/midfield
Jason Cleere played ok at centre back
Cillian Buckley played well at centre back
Joey Holden did well at centre back.
Shane Prendergast did o.k. at centre back
Pat Lyng did well at midfield
Richie Hogan played very well at centre forward scored about 1-4
TJ Reid played well at centre forward scored 0-3 from play.
Walter Walsh had a good game
Colin Fennelly scored a good goal, generally quiet
Richie Leahy pulled a hamstring.
Ger Aylward did not play
Kevin Kelly did not play
Jonjo Farrell played well.
Liam Blanchfield was quiet
Rob Lennon was o.k.
Sean Morrissey struggled.
Michael Malone struggled.
Ollie Walsh was ok.
Didn't hear anything about Paddy Deegan, listed at right back
Mark Berlin? Conor Martin? Eoin Murphy?

Lester got two points I think and was his usual busy self against danesfort
Evan cody hurled well according to reports at full back for the boro
Leahy is probably a concern for the u21 match the only positive is he walked off himself like. What's the extent of the 2xmullens injury or how did adrian play last sunday evening?

Don't know extent of injuries, Adrian played no part in the game. Luke Scanlon played well but is very light, sorta like Cha. John Walsh was marked by Conor Delaney who came out on top. Have to say that I was impressed with Conor Delaney, I had not really studied him during a game before

blackcard · 25-04-2017 06:10PM

Noddy33 wrote: »

Anyone else hear Clara have lodged an appeal against score of Danesfort match.I been told appeal is based on a Clara score was awarded on Danesfort score side which obviously is a two point swing and hence match would have been a draw.Now I was at the match and at no stage did anyone around me notice or claim an error on the scoreboard

Danesfort officials thought that the scoreboard was showing them to be one point more than they should be around half way through the second half. They asked the linesman to check with the referee. During the next break in play, the linesman ran on to the pitch to talk to the ref and came back pointing at the scoreboard and giving a thumbs up. From that point onwards, the scoreboard kept the right score.

brookville · 25-04-2017 08:41PM

blackcard wrote: »

Don't know extent of injuries, Adrian played no part in the game. Luke Scanlon played well but is very light, sorta like Cha. John Walsh was marked by Conor Delaney who came out on top. Have to say that I was impressed with Conor Delaney, I had not really studied him during a game before

Yeah I was at the village match scanlon is light but his a nice hurler and I'd have him ahead of morrissey it's a pity he didn't c any league time.The village have a few young fowards who are lively
I like conor delaney i seen him a few times last year with the intermediates and his definitely 1 for the future.how did ciarian wallace play i also think his a good hurler?

Comerman · 25-04-2017 08:48PM

To me Ciaran Wallace was the stand out defender in the game, Delaney and Fogarty were solid too.

jeff bingham · 25-04-2017 09:29PM

Village87 wrote:

I heard from a few sources at the game he was solid with the help of midfielders and half forwards flooding the area, but didnt stick out as stated here.

Was at this match. Buckley was class came out of most 50/50s with the ball. Definitely man of the match and won his battle with TJ whenever they were on each other

brookville · 25-04-2017 09:50PM

Comerman wrote: »

To me Ciaran Wallace was the stand out defender in the game, Delaney and Fogarty were solid too.

I was suprised he wasn't brought in at the start of the year definitely worth a look

DickoHara · 26-04-2017 12:50AM

Is that Ciaran Wallace anything to Eamon Wallace that hurled with Castlecomer, he won a few All Ireland medals with kilkenny 82,83, I was at that match last weekend he has a good brain.

Hawkeye6 · 26-04-2017 10:17AM

brookville wrote: »

What's the extent of the 2xmullens injury or how did adrian play last sunday evening?

Is he Eligible????

Rule 6.21c

A player on an Inter-County Minor panel shall not play in Adult Club League Competitions/Challenge Games until his Inter-County activity for the year is concluded.

An Inter-County panellist is defined as a player listed in a panel of 24 players on March 1st, and which may be amended and confirmed to the County Secretary on a monthly basis thereafter.

(Section (c) effective from January 1st 2016)

Some clubs may have played illegal players over the weekend, leaving themselves vulnerable to objection and insurance issues. Some may think the rule is stupid but...

Comerman · 26-04-2017 10:27AM

His father is Jimmy from Kilkenny street, a decent club hurler in his day as far as I remember (I'm a bit younger ï¿¼)

Eamonn Wallace was excellent at putting sidelines over the bar from way out the field back then, similar to what "Joe" etc. Get lauded for now.

Django99 · 26-04-2017 01:41PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Is he Eligible????

Rule 6.21c

A player on an Inter-County Minor panel shall not play in Adult Club League Competitions/Challenge Games until his Inter-County activity for the year is concluded.

An Inter-County panellist is defined as a player listed in a panel of 24 players on March 1st, and which may be amended and confirmed to the County Secretary on a monthly basis thereafter.

(Section (c) effective from January 1st 2016)

Some clubs may have played illegal players over the weekend, leaving themselves vulnerable to objection and insurance issues. Some may think the rule is stupid but...

I'm not sure these games would be classed as league, they are part of the championship and I think are treated as such. The league competition would be the Byrne and Aylward cups as far as I know.

tbiggertycome · 26-04-2017 02:13PM

Django99 wrote: »

I'm not sure these games would be classed as league, they are part of the championship and I think are treated as such. The league competition would be the Byrne and Aylward cups as far as I know.

No I'm afraid the competition that started last weekend is the Kilkenny Hurling League.

According to the rule above any minors on the panel the last day were not eligible to play for their clubs last weekend this was the team to play Wexford on the 15th

1 Ben Maher- O'Loughlin Gaels
2 Tommy Ronan- Graigue Ballycallan
3 Michael Carey- Young Irelands
4 Darragh Walsh- Piltown
5 James Brennan- Erins Own
6 Conor Flynn- Graigue Ballycallan
7 Jordon Molloy- O'Loughlin Gaels
8 Niall Brassil- James Stephens
9 Niall Brennan- Lisdowney
10 Adrian Mullen(Capt)- Ballyhale Shamrocks
11 Conor Heary- O'Loughlin Gaels
12 Eoin O Shea- O'Loughlin Gaels
13 Jack Kelly- Barrow Rangers
14 Ted Drea- Young Irelands
15 Sean Ryan- Graigue Ballycallan

16 Dean Mason- Ballyhale Shamrocks
17 Luke Murphy- James Stephens
18 John Dowd- Erins Own
19 Brian Staunton- Thomastown
20 Richie Hennessy- Glenmore
21 Daithi Barron- Thomastown
22 Ross Connolly- Erins Own
23 Jim Ryan- The Rower Inistioge
24 Jesse Roberts- Graigue Ballycallan

None of these should have played for their club at the weekend. I was only at one game and the 2 Ballyhale lads listed above took no part.

Village87 · 26-04-2017 02:49PM

About 5/6 lads played

Hawkeye6 · 26-04-2017 04:50PM

Village87 wrote: »

About 5/6 lads played

NO surprise there.

This national rule is one of the easiest ones to base an objection.
A lot easier than whether the score was right or wrong.
Two teams lists is all that is required, one of which is above.

(Note: Restrictions set out in Rule 6.21(c) which become effective on January 1st 2016, shall also be applicable to the Rule above).
Penalties:
Player - twelve weeks Suspension.
Team - On a proven Objection -- Award of Game to Opposing Team-
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge - Forfeiture of Game without Award of Game to Opposing Team, or Fine, depending on the circumstances.

Clubs that are playing these players are endangering their minor availability.

Django99 · 27-04-2017 12:28AM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

No I'm afraid the competition that started last weekend is the Kilkenny Hurling League.

None of these should have played for their club at the weekend. I was only at one game and the 2 Ballyhale lads listed above took no part.

Well then Kilkenny clubs are at a disadvantage to other counties because the competitions they are playing at the moment, of the same importance are championship.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-04-2017 01:21AM

It certainly does look like Kilkenny clubs will be getting punished for having a sensible league-championship structure instead of having one meaningless competition and one that is all-important but in which many clubs get only one or two matches in a year. The rule was obviously designed with the latter type of structure in mind, where the league doesn't make a whiff of difference. If most counties had a league structure that mattered to championship, they wouldn't pass a rule that forces clubs to exclude some of their strongest players from it. the rule only makes sense if the two competitions are completely separate.

Have no idea if that would constitute a legitimate defence for the clubs involved, but from outside it looks like punishing them would follow the letter of the law but not its spirit.

danganabu · 27-04-2017 09:41AM

Agree with what has been said and its a legitimate defence that the championship/league structure in KK is very different to most if not all other counties and this would be at the very least a reasonable defence.

Whatever about the clubs and their responsibilities to ensure they adhere to the rules, I would think that a 12 week suspension for any player involved would be incredibly harsh and excessive, do we really think that a 17/18 year old should be that familiar with the rule book? I know that ignorance of the law is not a legitimate defence in a legal sense, but surely under the common sense approach punish the clubs if found guilty and not the player.

tbiggertycome · 27-04-2017 03:03PM

Django99 wrote: »

Well then Kilkenny clubs are at a disadvantage to other counties because the competitions they are playing at the moment, of the same importance are championship.

Couldn't agree more and as a few posters have said since, while it would technically be by the letter of the law to suspend any players and forfeit games in which they played. In the Kilkenny case the phrase "the law is an ass" springs to mind.

Perhaps Kilkenny have already received a dispensation, that the rule doesn't apply to our League as it's a league/Championship I don't know but the competition on this last weekend is our League.

blackcard · 27-04-2017 10:37PM

The fixtures committee in Kilkenny have a habit of scheduling matches at two hour intervals. They have a fixture in the senior league at 5pm next Saturday week in Palmerstown with another scheduled for 7pm in Hugginstown. I fail to see why they can't have an additional 30 minutes between these matches to allow people to attend both games. This seems to happen consistently over the course of the league. I know a lot of people who would like to attend both matches and can't see why they can't be accommodated

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