Leaving dog poo bags behind - danger to horses

Chuchote · 22-04-2017 09:03AM #1

In the New Forest in England they are finding a new problem: horses are dying from eating dog poo bags thrown away with their contents by dog walkers. Horses are attracted to the cereal content of the dog poo, and the bags are fatal to them.

On some of the new walkways, like the Deise Greenway, there is no provision for disposal - no litter bins - and dog walkers are doing the same. Please don't; anywhere horses are ridden or grazed, this will endanger their lives.

ger vallely · 22-04-2017 09:16AM

I've just recently moved from a rural area into the city. While walking my dog I am amazed at the amount of dog poop bags left on the streets. What is the point of cleaning it up into a bag to leave lying there? If anything it even worse than just leaving the poo. Although, there is a serious lack of bins around the city outskirts, still, no excuse.

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 07:50AM

Was on a major N road yesterday and someone had dumped big black bin bags on the road.

muddypaws · 23-04-2017 10:47AM

Chuchote wrote: »

In the New Forest in England they are finding a new problem: horses are dying from eating dog poo bags thrown away with their contents by dog walkers. Horses are attracted to the cereal content of the dog poo, and the bags are fatal to them.

On some of the new walkways, like the Deise Greenway, there is no provision for disposal - no litter bins - and dog walkers are doing the same. Please don't; anywhere horses are ridden or grazed, this will endanger their lives.

A lot of the forests in the UK now have a stick and flick policy. Find a stick, and flick the poo into the undergrowth, rather than picking it up in a plastic bag.

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 03:21PM

ger vallely wrote: »

I've just recently moved from a rural area into the city. While walking my dog I am amazed at the amount of dog poop bags left on the streets. What is the point of cleaning it up into a bag to leave lying there? If anything it even worse than just leaving the poo. Although, there is a serious lack of bins around the city outskirts, still, no excuse.

I think it has all got worse since the new bin charges row. More folk are abusing litter bins and many have signs to that effect. People need to face realities of pet ownership.

Mooooo · 23-04-2017 11:44PM

Just to add if near fields of cows take it away with you as well dogs can spread neospora which will have no effect on the dog but cows will abort and carry it on. It can be picked up from dog faeces. If a cow gets it they generally will end up being culled so a big financial loss

volchitsa · 24-04-2017 02:18PM

Mooooo wrote: »

Just to add if near fields of cows take it away with you as well dogs can spread neospora which will have no effect on the dog but cows will abort and carry it on. It can be picked up from dog faeces. If a cow gets it they generally will end up being culled so a big financial loss

I didn't know that, so thanks Moooo, I'd have just assumed there was no problem leaving dog poo in a field where cows leave their enormous cowpats!
(I wouldn't have left the plastic bags, naturally, just not thought of needing to pick up dog poos in a field sometimes used by cows.)

Outkast_IRE · 24-04-2017 02:28PM

To be honest i think illegal dumping and littering is one of the biggest environmental issues in the country at the moment.

I honestly believe either of two things should happen -

-Domestic waste collection is brought back into the hands of the govenment who can put it out to tender on an area by area basis and all those in the area have their bins taken care of. A bit like how it was before but privatised.

or

Every household be required to engage the services of a waste contractor i.e greenstar, wiser, panda etc. If a household does not have a waste collection service they must make their case why they dont require it. Also - make it mandatory for all landlords and council homes to have waste collection included in their rent.

Either of these options would help reduce the amount of illegal dumping going on. From personal experience i find rented houses and council houses to be one of the main sources hence my proposal to make it mandatory to have it inculded in rent.

People who pick up poo only to dump the bag are scum. They probably only pick up the poo if someone is watching and then dump it discreetly.

Ashbx · 24-04-2017 03:22PM

I cant speak for New Forest in England or rural Ireland, but the amount of bins in Dublin is ridiculously low....especially in the likes of parks/mountains etc....where people generally walk their dogs.

Just as an example, in my local park in Dublin there are 9 ways to enter this park and only ONE of these entrances has a bin (which is usually full). The other bin is located in the playground, somewhere a dog walker is not allowed go into. Im hardly going to ask a child to dispose of my poo bag! There's been a handful of times that in this park I have had to leave my bag ontop of the bin....I have had no other choice. So the County Council seriously need to consider installing more bins in public areas.

I saw the article you are referring to and by no means would I ever through it into a private field. I would use the stick and flick approach that someone else mentioned here!

tk123 · 24-04-2017 03:44PM

Ashbx wrote: »

There's been a handful of times that in this park I have had to leave my bag ontop of the bin....I have had no other choice.

Ah come on - you could have carried it to the nearest bin or if you don't have one on your route home put in in your own bin when you get back. We've taken poos in the car and pulled over to bin them before. I even got a grabber thing in Dealz for my friend so she could drop the poos out of the car window into the bin without having to get out of the car! :pac:

A spot I've been forced to walk in as Bailey is restricted is FULL of poo. :mad: There's 5 bins in a 5 min (max) radius of this little walkway but the same scum let their scummy little dogs (it's small dog poo) poo all over the place. :mad::mad::mad:

Chuchote · 24-04-2017 03:53PM

I'd prefer if the rubbish collection was de-privatised. It worked much better when it was part of the state service.

As for the litterbins, I wrote to a local (Labour) councillor after four were removed in my street and the next street. She wrote back to explain that they were being abused by people using them to dump household rubbish. I replied to say that this was because a perfectly good state service had been privatised and many people couldn't afford the bin charges. She didn't write back. A load more litterbins have been removed since.

tk123 · 24-04-2017 03:57PM

Chuchote wrote: »

I'd prefer if the rubbish collection was de-privatised. It worked much better when it was part of the state service.

As for the litterbins, I wrote to a local (Labour) councillor after four were removed in my street and the next street. She wrote back to explain that they were being abused by people using them to dump household rubbish. I replied to say that this was because a perfectly good state service had been privatised and many people couldn't afford the bin charges. She didn't write back. A load more litterbins have been removed since.

You should ask for the smaller poo bins! Abusers avoid them because they're full of poo

One has appeared down the road from us but outside the park gate we don't use lol - too far to walk so I bring them home.

CityBin allow dog poo in compostable bags. I use compostable nappy bags for the poos that are going in our bin...

Chuchote · 24-04-2017 03:58PM

tk123 wrote: »

You should ask for the smaller poo bins! Abusers avoid them because they're full of poo One has appeared down the road from us but outside the park gate we don't use lol - too far to walk so I bring them home.

CityBin allow dog poo in compostable bags. I use compostable nappy bags for the poos that are going in our bin...

Neighbours have been asking; they have been refused.

sillysmiles · 24-04-2017 04:02PM

I don't see why in areas of high dog walking it isn't possible to have these types of bins that are only big enought for poop bags.

http://www.belloo.com/bilder/belloo-combi-gruen-2.jpg

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Jayop · 24-04-2017 04:32PM

When I'm walking herself if she does her business near the start of the walk I'll bag it and put the bag somewhere along the walk out of the way and then pick it up on the way back rather than carry it the whole way with me as there's no bins out anywhere along my route.

pilly · 24-04-2017 04:43PM

My kids laugh at me arriving home with a bag full of dog poo but I don't see why people can't bring them home if they can't find a bin. It comes with the joy of having a dog, put up with the messy parts.

I came home the other evening to a huge poo right on my doorstep, fuming.

Jayop · 24-04-2017 04:55PM

Yeah the amount of people who leave poos behind is scandalous. I never really noticed it until we got our dog and you spend half the walk trying to pull the dog passed other people messes that they left behind them.

Chuchote · 24-04-2017 10:58PM

Jayop wrote: »

When I'm walking herself if she does her business near the start of the walk I'll bag it and put the bag somewhere along the walk out of the way and then pick it up on the way back rather than carry it the whole way with me as there's no bins out anywhere along my route.

I see the Phantom Bin Removers have got the bin that was outside Rathmines College (the old town hall). Complete madness - students gather outside; the place is going to be an utter mess of cigarette boxes, cartons and tins.

I get the impression that the Council is actually getting rid of all the litterbins, one by one.

Jayop · 24-04-2017 11:06PM

Chuchote wrote: »

I see the Phantom Bin Removers have got the bin that was outside Rathmines College (the old town hall). Complete madness - students gather outside; the place is going to be an utter mess of cigarette boxes, cartons and tins.

I get the impression that the Council is actually getting rid of all the bins, one by one.

Where I live is bad enough, it's a small rural village so no bins is annoying but understandable. Big towns and cities are unbelievable. Sligo is a joke for how few bins there are along the main roads.

loyatemu · 24-04-2017 11:17PM

muddypaws wrote: »

A lot of the forests in the UK now have a stick and flick policy. Find a stick, and flick the poo into the undergrowth, rather than picking it up in a plastic bag.

this makes a lot more sense than putting it in plastic and adding it to the waste cycle.

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Graces7 · 25-04-2017 07:52AM

Chuchote wrote: »

I'd prefer if the rubbish collection was de-privatised. It worked much better when it was part of the state service.

As for the litterbins, I wrote to a local (Labour) councillor after four were removed in my street and the next street. She wrote back to explain that they were being abused by people using them to dump household rubbish. I replied to say that this was because a perfectly good state service had been privatised and many people couldn't afford the bin charges. She didn't write back. A load more litterbins have been removed since.

When I was market trading, I used to see a woman very early walking along the main road in the villag, putting a small bag of each rubbish in each litter bin as she passed it...

I am deep rural with no collection;I recycle almost everything and use paper etc to light the fire. Dog poo goes where it should; in the toilet

But i have the advantage that I do not walk her off the land here which I know is not what yu folk have to deal with

Chuchote · 25-04-2017 09:10AM

One thing people should do, but don't, is bring their plastic packaging back to supermarkets once they've freed all the vegetables and fruit from it. If the shops had to deal with the detritus they would soon change the packaging.

pilly · 25-04-2017 09:29AM

Whilst I agree with OP, I am always amazed in rural Ireland how there's a kick off about dog poo but horse poo is acceptable anywhere and everywhere.

They go past my door every Sunday morning, must be on a trekking trail and the amount of poo left behind is unreal. Why is this so acceptable? What if kids played with that? Or dogs or cats ate it?

granturismo · 25-04-2017 09:40AM

pilly wrote: »

Whilst I agree with OP, I am always amazed in rural Ireland how there's a kick off about dog poo but horse poo is acceptable anywhere and everywhere.

They go past my door every Sunday morning, must be on a trekking trail and the amount of poo left behind is unreal. Why is this so acceptable? What if kids played with that? Or dogs or cats ate it?

Poo from a healthy horse is generally not as much a health hazard as poo from a healthy dog - herbivore versus carnivore.
However, if you know which stables the horses are from, I dont see why they wouldnt follow the rides and shovel the crap into the ditch if you make a complaint to them.

pilly · 25-04-2017 09:48AM

granturismo wrote: »

Poo from a healthy horse is generally not as much a health hazard as poo from a healthy dog - herbivore versus carnivore.
However, if you know which stables the horses are from, I dont see why they wouldnt follow the rides and shovel the crap into the ditch if you make a complaint to them.

Thanks, I'll try to find out. The road I destroyed after they go by.

I know it's probably impractical but in Dublin the horses that drive the horse and carriage have poo bags attached.

muddypaws · 25-04-2017 09:48AM

pilly wrote: »

Whilst I agree with OP, I am always amazed in rural Ireland how there's a kick off about dog poo but horse poo is acceptable anywhere and everywhere.

They go past my door every Sunday morning, must be on a trekking trail and the amount of poo left behind is unreal. Why is this so acceptable? What if kids played with that? Or dogs or cats ate it?

My dogs would definitely eat it, a great delicacy. Horses don't eat meat, so the poo breaks down quite quickly, unlike dog poo. Birds will also help to make it disappear.

Horses in Killarney have to wear nappies I think.

decky1 · 25-04-2017 10:11AM

muddypaws wrote: »

A lot of the forests in the UK now have a stick and flick policy. Find a stick, and flick the poo into the undergrowth, rather than picking it up in a plastic bag.

what a great idea, I've been doing that for ages [thought I was the only one]but still getting looks from the do gooder's:eek: [oh you should have a bag] yes missus and you should have one too ---over your f##k'in head, if only everyone would make some effort eg bag or stick just move it you can have all the bins in the world but if people don't use them what can you do?

tk123 · 25-04-2017 10:38AM

decky1 wrote: »

yes missus and you should have one too ---over your f##k'in head,

:pac::pac: I lol'd

sillysmiles · 25-04-2017 10:43AM

pilly wrote: »

Whilst I agree with OP, I am always amazed in rural Ireland how there's a kick off about dog poo but horse poo is acceptable anywhere and everywhere.

There is a massive difference between horse and dog poo. Horse poo is effectively "clean" dirty. It's grass. It is way less likely to carry pathogens that are harmful to humans.

Leaving dog poo bags behind - danger to horses

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